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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 09:04:38 PM »
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that Obamacare will cost taxpayers $1.76 trillion, double the $900 billion price tag advanced by the president, and could lead businesses to cut off coverage to 20 million Americans, according to a report released Wednesday.

From the Washington Examiner:

The CBO released its latest cost estimate of Obamacare’s spending provisions showing that the law will cost $1.76 trillion through 2022. But even that doesn’t capture the law’s true price tag.

Since Obamacare will not be fully implemented until 2014, we will not know until next year what a full 10-year cost estimate of the law looks like. But, extrapolating yesterday’s estimate forward, The Washington Examiner‘s Phil Klein predicts the final ten-year cost of Obamacare will exceed $2 trillion, more than double what Obama said it would cost.

On Thursday, the CBO provided an equally explosive report on the number of people who will lose privately provided health insurance once Obamacare is fully implemented. The office provided best case (5 million) and worst case (20 million) estimates on the report, both of which are far higher than previous estimates.

From the Hill:

Under CBO’s best estimate, 11 million mostly low-wage workers would lose their employer coverage. About 3 million would choose to drop their coverage to go into the new subsidized health exchanges or on Medicaid, while another 9 million would gain employer-sponsored coverage, for a net total of 5 million people losing employer coverage in 2019. …

Last year, CBO’s best estimate was that only 1 million people would lose employer-sponsored coverage.

 

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 09:19:45 PM »
^WHAT A FUCKING' LOSER^

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 09:24:45 PM »
I warned all the Obama c u n t s. 

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 04:22:43 AM »
Obamacare drives up health care costs for everyone (We told you so!)
sf gate ^ | 3/16/2012 | Sally C. Pipes
Posted on March 16, 2012 7:14:09 AM EDT by tobyhill

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services recently released their annual report on health care spending in America. And surprise, surprise - spending continues to grow. It amounted to 17.9 percent of the nation's gross domestic product in 2010, or $2.6 trillion. But the annual rate of growth was lower than it had been most of the past 50 years - just 3.9 percent.

Naturally, the Obama administration took credit for this sliver of good news. "Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, we're keeping costs down and making health care more affordable," wrote Nancy-Ann DeParle, deputy chief of staff for policy, on the official White House Blog.

But an in-depth look at that report reveals that Obamacare has done little thus far to slow the growth of American health spending. In fact, the federal health care reform effort is already increasing the share of spending shouldered by taxpayers. Worse yet, the implementation of Obamacare has barely begun.

As the law's various provisions begin to take effect, the pace of spending will only accelerate. The report was clear about what's restraining health care spending - and it's not Obamacare. As the report put it, the "impact of the recent recession continued to affect the purchasers, providers and sponsors of health care." The agency's researchers went on to cite "[p]ersistently high unemployment, continued loss of private health insurance coverage, and increased cost sharing" as reasons that "led some people to forgo care or seek less costly alternatives." In other words, it's the economy, stupid.

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 09:48:29 AM »

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2012, 11:57:40 AM »
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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 12:05:29 PM »
It makes no sense for an employer to pay for health insurance.  Do they pay for car insurance too? Home? life? Maybe we should mandate that!
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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 04:16:27 PM »
It makes no sense for an employer to pay for health insurance.  Do they pay for car insurance too? Home? life? Maybe we should mandate that!
same logic for government health care, do they pay for car insurance too? Home? Life?

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2012, 03:08:27 PM »
'Only' 20 million may lose health insurance coverage (ObamaCare)
The Washington Examiner ^ | March 17, 2012 | The Editors
Posted on March 18, 2012 4:11:23 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet

For many months after the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- aka Obamacare -- became law, it was mainly the measure's conservative opponents who ruefully contemplated then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's remark that "we have to pass the health care bill so you can see what's in it." Opponents anxiously wondered if people might actually like what they found in the law once it was on the books. If that occurred, odds were good Obamacare would never be repealed. And there would be no stopping government takeovers of other major sectors of the economy.

More recently, as revelations have accumulated concerning what could happen once Obamacare is fully implemented, it may well be the measure's liberal proponents who have the most to fear from learning more about Obamacare. The report released Thursday by the Congressional Budget Office could only magnify such fears because the analysis devastated President Obama's most frequently uttered claim on behalf of his health care reform: "If you like your present coverage, you can keep it."

Rather than accurately describing a key feature of his proposal, Obama's reassuring claim was calculated to ease fears of the unknown among millions of Americans who worried about what might happen to them and their families under a complicated, bureaucratic health care program. After all, why worry about things like those new government-run health insurance exchanges if you get to keep the health insurance coverage that you like?

Now comes CBO saying that a computer model used by it and the Joint Committee on Taxation to project the impact of changes in federal health care policy could result in as many as 20 million Americans losing the insurance they currently have through their employers. A more likely outcome, according to CBO, would be only 5 million people losing their present coverage. But whether the actual total proves to be 20 million or 5 million or some figure in between, such losses undermine Obama's credibility with large numbers of people who were previously willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Politically damaging as such an outcome would be to the president's re-election campaign, however, there is a qualifier buried deep in the CBO report that should keep Obamacare backers wide-awake at night. "Models of the health insurance system, including those developed and used by CBO and JCT, are generally based on observed changes in behavior in response to modest changes in incentives, but the legislation enacted in 2010 is sweeping in its nature," CBO said in a classic Washington CYA formulation.

"Given the high degree of uncertainty, some Members of Congress have asked how CBO and JCT's estimates of the effects of the ACA on health insurance coverage would differ under alternative assumptions about the behavior of employers. The analysis presented in this report is illustrative of a wide range of possible outcomes regarding employers' behavior but does not reflect all of the dimensions of uncertainty inherent in CBO and JCT's projections of insurance coverage," CBO continued. In other words, the congressional authors acknowledge that nobody can be certain just how bad things will be once Obamacare is fully implemented.

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2012, 03:59:21 PM »
It makes no sense for an employer to pay for health insurance.  Do they pay for car insurance too? Home? life? Maybe we should mandate that!

Providing assistance to keep employees as healthy as possible absolutely makes sense for an employer.  Paying for car insurance doesn't do that.
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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2012, 04:40:28 PM »
Will you Obama c. U nts admit what a disaster this is? 

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2012, 07:37:08 PM »
I actually lost my health insurance coverage already thanks to Obamacare.

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2012, 07:40:06 PM »
I actually lost my health insurance coverage already thanks to Obamacare.

it's also pricing millions of self emoloyed out of the market. 


This is why I will be as demeaning and dissresfuectful towards this ghetto communist.   Respect is earned.  Obama deserves only misery and ill will.  Fuck him and every stupid fucking idiot who voted for him.

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2012, 07:48:28 AM »
Liberal retards run for the hills when this topic comes up.

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2012, 07:50:07 AM »
Liberal retards run for the hills when this topic comes up.


And they have the balls to attack me!   I have been proven right on far more than I have been proven wrong.  This topic is definately one I have nailed to the tee and these idiots still march on like nothing.     

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 07:58:55 AM »

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that Obamacare will cost taxpayers $1.76 trillion, double the $900 billion price tag advanced by the president, and could lead businesses to cut off coverage to 20 million Americans,
Medicare Supplements according to a report released Wednesday.

From the Washington Examiner:

The CBO released its latest cost estimate of Obamacare’s spending provisions showing that the law will cost $1.76 trillion through 2022. But even that doesn’t capture the law’s true price tag.

Since Obamacare will not be fully implemented until 2014, we will not know until medicare supplemental insurancenext year what a full 10-year cost estimate of the law looks like. But, extrapolating yesterday’s estimate forward, The Washington Examiner‘s Phil Klein predicts the final ten-year cost of Obamacare will exceed $2 trillion, more than double what Obama said it would cost.

On Thursday, the CBO provided an equally explosive report on the number of people who will lose privately medigap provided health insurance once Obamacare is fully implemented.
Medicare Supplement Insurance The office provided best case (5 million) and worst case (20 million) estimates on the report, both of which are far higher than previous estimates.

From the Hill:

Under CBO’s best estimate, 11 million mostly low-wage workers would lose their employer coverage. About 3 million would choose to drop their coverage to go into the new subsidized health exchanges or on Medicaid, while another 9 million would gain employer-sponsored coverage, for a net total of 5 million people losing employer coverage in 2019. …

Last year, CBO’s best estimate was that only 1 million people would lose employer-sponsored coverage.

 

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2012, 06:46:43 AM »
The healthcare bill in its written form was just horrible.

I really don't see what's so tough about it either.


Are you for babies having healthcare no matter what?
Are you for people having access to medicines and preventive checkups?
Are you for extending the age of children being on parents plans?
Are you for removing "pre-existing conditions"?

Ok. Put those into a bill.

It's like 4 lines. No big deal.

Who would argue against that?

The Healthcare bill is a damn shame. While ideologically I was for healthcare reform of some sort (see previous lines of text) this could not have been done more poorly.


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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2012, 07:34:49 AM »
The healthcare bill in its written form was just horrible.

I really don't see what's so tough about it either.


Are you for babies having healthcare no matter what?
Are you for people having access to medicines and preventive checkups?
Are you for extending the age of children being on parents plans?
Are you for removing "pre-existing conditions"?

Ok. Put those into a bill.

It's like 4 lines. No big deal.

Who would argue against that?

The Healthcare bill is a damn shame. While ideologically I was for healthcare reform of some sort (see previous lines of text) this could not have been done more poorly.




If i locked you in a room for a month and told you to devise the worst possible plan imaginable, you could not have topped the mess that is obamacare.   

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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2012, 09:56:02 AM »
Providing assistance to keep employees as healthy as possible absolutely makes sense for an employer.  Paying for car insurance doesn't do that.

I'm pretty sure getting to work each day is just as important. It makes little sense to have your employer cover your insurance.
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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2012, 10:39:50 AM »
I'm pretty sure getting to work each day is just as important. It makes little sense to have your employer cover your insurance.

Not everybody drives a car to work.

Investing in employees health does not make little sense.
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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2012, 10:49:16 AM »
Not everybody drives a car to work.

Investing in employees health does not make little sense.

And not everyone gets sick.  So why have the company pay for it? Thing is they shouldn't.  
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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2012, 11:10:46 AM »
Not everybody drives a car to work.

Investing in employees health does not make little sense.

If a company values it's employees, then they will cover things like this.

If they do not, then you don't have to work there... If you have no skill or qualification to start your own business or work for a company who values it's employees, then you should re-evaluate your life choices.


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Re: CBO: 20,000,000 to likely lose insurance under ObamaCare.
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2012, 11:38:37 AM »