The biggest scam in Bodybuilding - BIGGER than the supplement scam!!

[DK II]

Training styles.... 


HIT is better than volume

Volume is better than HIT

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"Doggcrapp"


Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.

[dfresh]

amen

[PJim]

What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.

[DK II]

What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.

Good point.

[purenaturalstrength]

What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.

figuring out how to train for a natural is like stem cell research

[njflex]

What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.

volume,frequency and natural/clean training is relative to individual .some people could handle more or less and that includes someone on drugs as well.7 days a wk is of course insane clean or drugged,,4 days per wk is good start for clean trainer.

[PJim]

figuring out how to train for a natural is like stem cell research

Not if one takes the time to understand the variables involved and gauge how their own body responds to manipulating them.

[PJim]

volume,frequency and natural/clean training is relative to individual .some people could handle more or less and that includes someone on drugs as well.7 days a wk is of course insane clean or drugged,,4 days per wk is good start for clean trainer.

See my last post.

[njflex]

See my last post.

[purenaturalstrength]

Not if one takes the time to understand the variables involved and gauge how their own body responds to manipulating them.

which is like 349 of them if not more

[PJim]

which is like 349 of them if not more

Frequency("rest" by default falls into this category), Volume and Intensity, Nutrition  

These are the variables that you CAN control, I won't bother mentioning "genetics" etc

[Maddy]

I thought
this was another
gh15 thread

[purenaturalstrength]

Frequency("rest" by default falls into this category), Volume and Intensity, Nutrition  

These are the variables that you CAN control, I won't bother mentioning "genetics" etc

so how possible is it that typical 5x5 routines are all wrong

[PJim]

so how possible is it that typical 5x5 routines are all wrong

There is no blanket routine that will work for everybody, however, that does not change the type of stimulus required, it just means it needs to be tailored to fit the individual so the "response", in this case an increase in muscular mass or strength can be seen.

[Ex Coelis]

sets and reps < dose and duration

[qbkilla]

the biggest scam is doggycrap training and HIT.  LOL at overtraining,,,,fucking pussy ass bitches.  and the other biggest scam, you need to do deadlifts and squats to get big....big what?  big bellied bloated powerlifter who lifts 1000'lbs and you leave the gm and look like any other fatass?  LMAO at guys doing deads and squats,,they are always the most bloofed up watery pregnant from teh side dudes- oh so hardcore, not a vein on their body, but 4 fucked up disks in the spine to show for all that hardcore shit

[chess315]

What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.

it doesnt matter that much for natural bodybuilders because your stuck after a couple yr anyways. Plus there is plenty of evidence suggest naturals can actually take more training the enhanced athletes.

[buselmo]

Training styles.... 


HIT is better than volume

Volume is better than HIT

FST-7

HST

FCK-0-FF 467

"Doggcrapp"


Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.

 

totally agree here... as long as you break a sweat and feel tired after your workout, it doesn't matter what kind of bullshit training protocol you used.

[Krankenstein]

the biggest scam is doggycrap training and HIT.  LOL at overtraining,,,,fucking pussy ass bitches.  and the other biggest scam, you need to do deadlifts and squats to get big....big what?  big bellied bloated powerlifter who lifts 1000'lbs and you leave the gm and look like any other fatass?  LMAO at guys doing deads and squats,,they are always the most bloofed up watery pregnant from teh side dudes- oh so hardcore, not a vein on their body, but 4 fucked up disks in the spine to show for all that hardcore shit

Can you show us how massive your legs are from not doing squats? 

[Coach is Back!]

Training styles.... 


HIT is better than volume

Volume is better than HIT

FST-7

HST

FCK-0-FF 467

"Doggcrapp"


Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.

No one wants to say or either don't know that you have to train harder on gear that you think. That said, of you don't have a plan for progression you fail. People hate to work and just try to simplify it. It's easy because they make it easy. The fact is it should be hard.

[buselmo]

Can you show us how massive your legs are from not doing squats? 

i can show you most of the guys in the gym who do heavy squats and have sticks for legs

and i know a few people who say it's the most rediculous exercise and they only focus on leg extensions and leg press and have massive quads

[NeilGM]

volume,frequency and natural/clean training is relative to individual .some people could handle more or less and that includes someone on drugs as well.7 days a wk is of course insane clean or drugged,,4 days per wk is good start for clean trainer.

4 days a week for a clean trainer.. Well if you are trying to actaully grow you muscles try 2 or 3 if you actually want to grow and achieve anything. Complete recovery rate is around 3-9 days for someone who is not hormonised dependant of factors such as age, health and genetics. Most people don't have a clue what is involved to stimulate growth naturally. It is putting the body under high stress so it will adapt, regardless how you do it (weight or volume), most people who train natural do not have a clue how to train to achieve this and achieve next to nothing. Go look in the gym, they are everywhere, they never change. 4 days a week + is fitness and not growing muscle, even still the muscle growt will be limited to very limited for most people and very very time consuming.

[NeilGM]

No one wants to say or either don't know that you have to train harder on gear that you think. That said, of you don't have a plan for progression you fail. People hate to work and just try to simplify it. It's easy because they make it easy. The fact is it should be hard.

This.. Although roids will promote growth without training too hard.

[DK II]

This.. Although roids will promote growth without training too hard.

That's the biggest joke of all, that most BB train like little pussies and rely solely on drugs.

Most "Fitness Models" train harder than Pros.

[Vince B]

totally agree here... as long as you break a sweat and feel tired after your workout, it doesn't matter what kind of bullshit training protocol you used.

Completely false statement.