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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2012, 06:12:19 AM »
Good info bro! Thx!

Wanna buy a 2006 one...but so much bullshit going on at the dealerships...  :-\
Why a 2006 BMW? You are rolling the dice on that right there. Last yr of the E46 3 series, the 7 series (E63?) was having serious problems, and the ugly E60 5 series just started (I believe).

That's like going into Mr. O against Phil Heath, Ronnie, Dorian, Lee Haney, Flex, Shawn, Dennis Newman, Chris Cormier, Nasser, Kevin, Dex, Vic, and expecting to get first place.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2012, 06:32:22 AM »
I've had a 525i and now drive the 650i.  My wife has had a 330i and now drives a 328xi.  We've never had a problem with any of them and will never own anything else (except for my Jeep Wrangler).  Just lucky I guess.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2012, 06:48:09 AM »
Bullshit, BMW's aren't expensive to maintain but they are if you are some homo making 35K a year trying to look rich.

Cut the bullshit and buy the 7 series, none of this 3 series "I make 30K but I want everyone to THINK I'm rich so I buy a 3 series and remove the emblems to try to fool people".
Njflex, is a former BMW tech, he can tell you the problems.
BMW has the 4 yr free maintenance for a reason.  BMW  is notorious for introducing new tech in the 7 series  and using the customers as guinea pigs...

Then you have engine issues---like con rod issues, and systems related like HFPF issues...the newer turbo engined cars like the 335i, 550i, 650i, etc chances are will have turbo relates issues,as this is a new frontier for BMW, they are not used to making mass production turbo cars, like Mercedes and Audi, who have basically perfected it.

3 series is BMW bread and butter car, the leade of a segment for a reason, and most people making 30k can't afford one now.


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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2012, 06:54:02 AM »
Problems with the Ford Steve? I had a BMW 325i for 7 years then crashed it out I loved it. Now what I found with the BMW's are the engine/drive train are superb but I had to constantly replace bulbs, window problems on all four, etc. accessories suck on them and maintenance is out da roof unless you do it yourself.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2012, 07:01:43 AM »
Why a 2006 BMW? You are rolling the dice on that right there. Last yr of the E46 3 series, the 7 series (E63?) was having serious problems, and the ugly E60 5 series just started (I believe).

That's like going into Mr. O against Phil Heath, Ronnie, Dorian, Lee Haney, Flex, Shawn, Dennis Newman, Chris Cormier, Nasser, Kevin, Dex, Vic, and expecting to get first place.
true,,,2007 was the e90 intro with twin turbo's 335,328 massive recall on fuel pump issues,lifters,cyl heads,e60 was introduced 2004 i have 04 edition has same engine as e39 thank god and it is cheaper and easier to maintain,',ugly' i like the lines tho parker/gangsta originally 525 with 16 inch base rims looked funny too much body for wheels esp rear end but i have 530 with sportier wheels and it looks nice ,i am biased,,the f1 series 7 and 5 are good looking car's ,,,,i would stay away from any 7 series built 02 through 08 even if given free.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2012, 07:23:46 AM »
my dad bought at new X5 in 2005 and to this day has never had a problem with it

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2012, 07:31:38 AM »
my dad bought at new X5 in 2005 and to this day has never had a problem with it
he's lucky,,bulb issues a plenty,rear tail light housing melt,window and central lock issues were big defects there...

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2012, 07:37:48 AM »
The key is narrowing your search to 1-2 cars that you might like and then research, research, research. Google search some forums, every german car brand has a lot of good forums with excellent info on problems and different issues as well as fixes.

Just picked up a 2002 Porsche 911 C2 (will be driving home with it in 2 hours from West Palm Beach to Chicago)
First time driving it...I have decided never to drive anything else. This vehicle is incredible...very hard to describe to joy of rowing through the gears and getting unto 120mph like it's nothing.

This car has a binder full of records from tire and oil changes to spark plugs and belts being replaced. I know exactly what problems this vehicle is prone to and I bought the best possible car that I could find that has been maintained very well. I didn't get lucky finding this car, I did lots of homework.

DO NOT go to the dealer and buy any vehicle. You can find cars for thousands less on cars.com and autotrader.com Private party sales are way easier to do.

Everyone makes a big deal on German car maintenance. These issues usually happen to the big motors that make a lot of power (AMG, M, Turbos)
My girlfriend owns a c230 Benz, my buddy owns a 2000 Porsche 911, pop owns 2006 ML350.... no real issues on these vehicles.




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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2012, 07:41:49 AM »
The key is narrowing your search to 1-2 cars that you might like and then research, research, research. Google search some forums, every german car brand has a lot of good forums with excellent info on problems and different issues as well as fixes.

Just picked up a 2002 Porsche 911 C2 (will be driving home with it in 2 hours from West Palm Beach to Chicago)
First time driving it...I have decided never to drive anything else. This vehicle is incredible...very hard to describe to joy of rowing through the gears and getting unto 120mph like it's nothing.

This car has a binder full of records from tire and oil changes to spark plugs and belts being replaced. I know exactly what problems this vehicle is prone to and I bought the best possible car that I could find that has been maintained very well. I didn't get lucky finding this car, I did lots of homework.

DO NOT go to the dealer and buy any vehicle. You can find cars for thousands less on cars.com and autotrader.com Private party sales are way easier to do.

Everyone makes a big deal on German car maintenance. These issues usually happen to the big motors that make a lot of power (AMG, M, Turbos)
My girlfriend owns a c230 Benz, my buddy owns a 2000 Porsche 911, pop owns 2006 ML350.... no real issues on these vehicles.




nice car,,,be careful with porsche rear main seal and intermediate shaft ,,if untreated you will be buying an engine.plugs should be done every 20 to 30 thousand,the old water cooled 911's were best.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2012, 07:41:55 AM »
Assuming you're buying a 2006 BMW, it will be out of warranty. Extended warranty is expensive...might as well take that cash and buy a newer vehicle with factory warranty remaining.

Also find some good independent (non dealership) mechanic shops in your area. If you pay cash these places usually give you a discount. Develop a relationship with these guys and they will take care of you IF you need major repairs.

Like I said, since you're probably buying a 2006 3 series, you shouldn't have much problems if you do homework on the vehicle. (seeing service records, getting pre purchase inspection, ...etc)

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2012, 07:44:17 AM »
nice car,,,be careful with porsche rear main seal and intermediate shaft ,,if untreated you will be buying an engine.plugs should be done every 20 to 30 thousand,the old water cooled 911's were best.

This car had the RMS done, has new spark plugs, alternator & battery, water pump, new tires (3,000 miles on them), new brakes, H&R springs.

I think I will install the IMS guardian. It's a sensor that detects metal in the oil sump ...happens when the IMS fails.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2012, 08:19:23 AM »
he's lucky,,bulb issues a plenty,rear tail light housing melt,window and central lock issues were big defects there...
Spot on.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2012, 08:46:54 AM »
You should check out cars at the car auctions.  They have many types of cars and you can get a good deal.  For example I got 2006 Ford Crown Victoria for $2700.  That's a damn good deal.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2012, 09:08:22 AM »
New cars are not as durable as the old ones.
Plus the new bmw's have aluminium chassis/suspension parts thar bent with normal usage. After 60000 miles or so they need to be replaced otherwise you can't get an alingnement. And those aluminium suspension arms don't come cheap at all. Even the recent bmw air-filters look like they were developed by NASA.
From a mechanic point of view those cars are very easy to work on. In other car brands one have to tear the fender and headlights apart to change the distribution belt/bearings.

Good luck with the deal,

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2012, 09:32:07 AM »
Good info bro! Thx!

Wanna buy a 2006 one...but so much bullshit going on at the dealerships...  :-\


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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2012, 09:46:31 AM »
These cars require preventative maintenance to keep them in top running order ie, upper lower control arm bushings every 4-5 years, radiator/water pump/expansion tank replacement at 90k or sooner, brake flush (2yr) transmission fluid change every 30k etc. BMW v8's are prone to oil leakage at the valve cover gaskets, upper timing chain cover and vanos gaskets area.

As for extended warranties, your buying a 6yr old vehicle so I'd look for a car that's CPO at dealers lot and damn sure wouldn't buy one w/o having a PPI-PRE PURCHASE INSPECTION which costs 100-300 from independent BMW mechanic.
www.bimrs.org is a site that lists BMW independent shops should you chose to purchase and not get raped by having the car serviced by the stealer er dealer that is.

Just my h/o after 25yrs owning BMW's and have seen my share of bs.

I have heard from so many BMW owners that they aren't that reliable and cost a lot to maintain.  It seems you could buy an ordinary Camry or an Accord and drive it 200k and have no major repairs.  Just change the oil, filters, brakes and tires. Typical ordinary maintenance stuff. Of course there are exceptions.  A BMW at 80K will have a ton of repairs and it's called a quality car?

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2012, 10:07:28 AM »
Then again, if you want luxury, just buy a US-made luxury truck or SUV.  A used Escalade, Hummer, Denali, Suburban, or Tahoe can all be had for rather cheap....and they all share parts and are relatively easy and cheap to maintain.  If gas is your concern, than you shouldn't even be in the market for something like a BMW anyway. 

If you want straight-line performance(the ONLY kind of performance because wanting something good for twisties makes no fuckin sense here in the states) than you buy an American car like a SRT8 300C or Charger.  These motors, along with Ford's new 5.0 and GM's LSX series can easily put out well over 600WHP with not a ton of modifications.  High-dollar Euro cars get raped at the track and on the highway all night long.

If you just want a car that'll last as long as possible while giving you some sort of comfortable luxury, than just buy a newer Toyota Camry.  Or, if you are feeling very old, a Lincoln Town Car.  The Lincoln, along with its brothers the Grand Marquis and the Crown Vic, are the last car ever made with a body on frame build.  There is a reason why the Panther platform serve as police cars and in the livery service....they last longer than anything else and can get the shit kicked out of 'em.

In terms of performance, price, and reliability, none of the big Euro cars are near the top.  If you like to spend a lot of money at the dealership, push a lot of different buttons that you have no need of whatsover, ride in a car that feels like a plushy couch at high speeds(ok, that does feel cool), attempt to impress people you do not know or will ever know, than a BMW, Mercedes, or Audi is for you.

DISCLAIMER:  I came damned close to buying a BMW 530i....the ride and interior are a cut above everything else.  I do see the appeal, though.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2012, 10:14:41 AM »
i had a black/black leather e34 for a bit in college, crashed it into trees, car was fully repaired except one problem that could not be repaired by any German mechanic within ~50 miles.  Engine would cut out after letting off the break.  Maybe an airflow issue but nobody could figure it out for me.  Sad, got rid of her for much less than I put in her

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2012, 10:44:01 AM »
A 6 year old used BMW?  Reliability: No.  Status: No. 

Is it free or something?

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2012, 11:09:22 AM »
Bullshit, BMW's aren't expensive to maintain but they are if you are some homo making 35K a year trying to look rich.

Cut the bullshit and buy the 7 series, none of this 3 series "I make 30K but I want everyone to THINK I'm rich so I buy a 3 series and remove the emblems to try to fool people".

what are you talking about? people buy the 3 series coupe for its lines not its price tag. i have one. i could have bought a 7, 5, 6 but i got the 3 coupe cause imo there is no other car with better lines on the road, apart from the cls which i like too.
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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2012, 11:16:07 AM »
I have heard from so many BMW owners that they aren't that reliable and cost a lot to maintain.  It seems you could buy an ordinary Camry or an Accord and drive it 200k and have no major repairs.  Just change the oil, filters, brakes and tires. Typical ordinary maintenance stuff. Of course there are exceptions.  A BMW at 80K will have a ton of repairs and it's called a quality car?

i own a 2009 awd coupe. it has 86k on it now. the thing has been bulletproof. not a squeak drafty seal or knock in the car. runs as well as the day i drove it off the lot. i cannot say enough about the level of qaulity and craftsmanship in the car.

this is how confident i am in the vehicle- after talking to njflex, i decided to not get a 3yr/60k extended warranty once i hit 80k. it was only going to cost me $3000. its not a money issue for me- i have such faith in the vehicle that the 3k im saving by not getting that warranty will more than cover any wear and tear expenses such as brakes and tires.

id recommend one to anyone. i think a lot of the bad shit you haer about them is just repeated by what is read online and not thru anyones personal experiences, as i have yet to meet a bm owner who says bm is shit.
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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2012, 11:49:17 AM »
Wow guys!!! Tons of quality information in this thread! Thank u so much I really appreciate it!

Well, I don't know yet...

I was thinking about a 745-750Li, Cadillac SRX...but they are sooo different...I like the BMW better tho.

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« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2012, 11:50:42 AM »
I'll answer the PMs too, thank u so much again!!!  ;)

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2012, 11:54:01 AM »
i had a black/black leather e34 for a bit in college, crashed it into trees, car was fully repaired except one problem that could not be repaired by any German mechanic within ~50 miles.  Engine would cut out after letting off the break.  Maybe an airflow issue but nobody could figure it out for me.  Sad, got rid of her for much less than I put in her
Nice vintage BBS wheels...

For the dude with the Porsche, I live near a Porsche/German car specialist, they seem to recommend the 964, 993, and 997s. The 996 was the bastard child, engine issues, shared interior and front nose with the Boxster. 993s still hold their value, built like a vault.

The owner drives his wife e34 M5, thing is a beast. They have a lot of rare Porsches  in the shop sometimes and do specialty work---

in terms of German luxury cars, quality is like this:
Porsche>Mercedes>Audi>BMW. And you can put Mercedes in front due to certains models. When it comes to sedans, it is Merc>Audi>BMW...
Why, who knows. BMW owners are stereotyped as being assholes who drive the cars like they stole them, don't do preventive maintenance. Plus, BMW seemingly has this attitude of snobbery, their cars are fun to drive---who needs anything else? four door sports cars...
And then, there is the 4 yr/50,000 mile warranty...they seemingly think you are going to trade it in after 50k, so why invest in longevity, you want that, buy a Lexus.
That's my theory.

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Re: Problems with BMW cars and expensive service?
« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2012, 11:55:16 AM »
Look, I am 30 years old.  I have had a Pontiac Sunfire (POS car) , a Lexus ES300, a BMW 328I, and my current car is a Nissan 350Z.  The only car I had problems with is the American made Sunfire.  My favorite car was the BMW.  It had the luxury/comfort of the Lexus, combined with just enough sportiness to compare to the 350z.  It's the best of both worlds.