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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2012, 08:55:19 PM »
Really?

I'm disenchanted with the whole bent system anyway but the vote shouldn't be something that can get taken away.  That's scary.


A dishonorable discharge is the equivalent to a felony conviction of a child molester.  You're branded for life....same as a dismissal (dishonorable for officers).....heck even a child molester has it better than a person with that type of discharge.   


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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2012, 09:28:06 PM »
Really?

I'm disenchanted with the whole bent system anyway but the vote shouldn't be something that can get taken away.  That's scary.

Vince G jumped the gun. It really depends on the State. States usually consider a dishonorable discharge to be equivalent to a felony conviction; each State makes its own rules as to what restrictions are placed on convicted felons.

If I remember correctly, in all States except for Maine and Vermont convicted felons cannot vote while incarcerated. Beyond that, the landscape varies. In some States, once you're out of jail you can vote; in others, you can't vote while on parole. Depending on the conviction, some States permanently bar a convicted felon from voting.

As to whether a felony conviction should allow the State to take away someone's right to vote, that's a whole 'nother debate. I have no problem with felons in jail and on parole not voting, but I would lie if I said I am not concerned about the ability of the State to strip someone's right to vote.

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2012, 04:55:54 AM »
Vince G jumped the gun. It really depends on the State. States usually consider a dishonorable discharge to be equivalent to a felony conviction; each State makes its own rules as to what restrictions are placed on convicted felons.

If I remember correctly, in all States except for Maine and Vermont convicted felons cannot vote while incarcerated. Beyond that, the landscape varies. In some States, once you're out of jail you can vote; in others, you can't vote while on parole. Depending on the conviction, some States permanently bar a convicted felon from voting.

As to whether a felony conviction should allow the State to take away someone's right to vote, that's a whole 'nother debate. I have no problem with felons in jail and on parole not voting, but I would lie if I said I am not concerned about the ability of the State to strip someone's right to vote.


Didn't jump the gun.  Anyone with a dishonorable discharge CANNOT VOTE!!!.  Doesn't matter what state you are in because it is an action by the federal government and federal law outweighs state laws.  I said it was equal to a felony conviction of a child molester but its not one....its a dishonorable discharge which is still worse.  She can't even leave the country, she can't get a bank loan, she can't get nothing.



Bitch can't vote....simple as that.  A dishonorable discharge is made to eternally punish you for the rest of your life.  Its the government's scarlet letter to let everyone know that you are a big steaming pile of Grade A Dog Shit
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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2012, 06:34:26 AM »

A dishonorable discharge is the equivalent to a felony conviction of a child molester.  You're branded for life....same as a dismissal (dishonorable for officers).....heck even a child molester has it better than a person with that type of discharge.   

really?
 which one would you want on your name tag at the 29 year reunion:
"hi, i got a dishonorable discharge for treating the enemy like shit"
or
"hi, i like to molest childeren"

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2012, 08:53:51 AM »

Didn't jump the gun.  Anyone with a dishonorable discharge CANNOT VOTE!!!.  Doesn't matter what state you are in because it is an action by the federal government and federal law outweighs state laws.  I said it was equal to a felony conviction of a child molester but its not one....its a dishonorable discharge which is still worse.  She can't even leave the country, she can't get a bank loan, she can't get nothing.



Bitch can't vote....simple as that.  A dishonorable discharge is made to eternally punish you for the rest of your life.  Its the government's scarlet letter to let everyone know that you are a big steaming pile of Grade A Dog Shit


Fuck that.  You're a citizen, you get your say, borderline retarded, DD, and heinously ugly or not.  Sure she's a moron but this nomination of 2nd class Americans is far more frightening than an occasional idiot with the vote.

Not really up on my history.  I'm sure it's been happening forever and I'm just taking notice but the smell of bullshit is overpowing sometimes.

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2012, 11:05:01 AM »

Didn't jump the gun.  Anyone with a dishonorable discharge CANNOT VOTE!!!.  Doesn't matter what state you are in because it is an action by the federal government and federal law outweighs state laws.  I said it was equal to a felony conviction of a child molester but its not one....its a dishonorable discharge which is still worse.  She can't even leave the country, she can't get a bank loan, she can't get nothing.



Bitch can't vote....simple as that.  A dishonorable discharge is made to eternally punish you for the rest of your life.  Its the government's scarlet letter to let everyone know that you are a big steaming pile of Grade A Dog Shit

To put it simply, you are wrong. A dishonorable discharge means you cannot own a gun because of a specific Federal law. But that has no bearing on voting. It is up to the individual State where the discharged person resides whether the person can vote. Again, as an example consider Maine and Vermont, which allow felons to vote even from inside prison.

Don't go rushing to add "Esq." to the alphabet soup that is your nickname Vince  ;D

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2012, 11:09:47 AM »



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WYHI pig edition
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2012, 11:39:45 AM »
yes or no

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Re: WYHI pig edition
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2012, 11:41:02 AM »
piggy or the woman who voices her  ???

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Re: WYHI pig edition
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2012, 11:47:27 AM »
I do not know what she looks like, but possibly a three way.

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Re: WYHI pig edition
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2012, 11:47:44 AM »
If I was Kermit, I certainly would've gotten me some of that BBP.

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Re: WYHI pig edition
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2012, 11:51:46 AM »
Wasn't Misses Piggy voiced by Frank Oz of Yoda fame?
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Re: WYHI pig edition
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2012, 11:55:53 AM »
I cracked off to the thoughts of that pale felt skin all the time when younger.

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2012, 12:51:25 PM »

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2012, 02:42:02 PM »
To put it simply, you are wrong. A dishonorable discharge means you cannot own a gun because of a specific Federal law. But that has no bearing on voting. It is up to the individual State where the discharged person resides whether the person can vote. Again, as an example consider Maine and Vermont, which allow felons to vote even from inside prison.

Don't go rushing to add "Esq." to the alphabet soup that is your nickname Vince  ;D



From USA.Gov:

A dishonorable discharge (DD), like a BCD, is a punitive discharge rather than an
administrative discharge. It can only be handed down to an enlisted member by a general
court-martial. Dishonorable discharges are handed down for what the military considers
the most reprehensible conduct. This type of discharge may be rendered only by
conviction at a general court-martial for serious offenses (e.g., desertion, sexual assault,
murder, etc.) that call for dishonorable discharge as part of the sentence.
With this characterization of service, all veterans' benefits are lost, regardless of any past
honorable service. This type of discharge is universally regarded as shameful, and the
social stigma attached to it makes it very difficult to obtain gainful post-service
employment. Additionally, US federal law prohibits ownership of firearms by those who
have been dishonorably discharged
.[2] A person who receives a
dishonorable discharge loses the right to vote and the right to receive governmental
assistance of any kind.
They cannot obtain a bank loan and they are unable to find work at
the state or government level. Finding gainful civilian employment is also an arduous
task for someone with a DD as most states now require employers to conduct background
checks and the results of military records and discharges are often disclosed. Going to
college is another pitfall because government loans and grants are unavailable for anyone
with a DD. This is a permanent record that will follow the individual for the duration of
their lives anywhere in the world
.





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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2012, 02:43:55 PM »
really?
 which one would you want on your name tag at the 29 year reunion:
"hi, i got a dishonorable discharge for treating the enemy like shit"
or
"hi, i like to molest childeren"


Its best to not get either one.  Lynnnie deserved what she got because she tortured those inmates....doesn't matter if they are the enemy or not....two wrongs don't make a right
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Re: WYHI pig edition
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2012, 03:31:37 PM »
Looks like my ex  ;D yes

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Re: WYHI pig edition
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2012, 03:38:11 PM »
She has nice hair

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Re: WYHI pig edition
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WYHI? - fag smoker, ugh !
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« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2012, 05:29:35 PM »
is she a pole smoker?
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Re: WYHI? - fag smoker, ugh !
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2012, 05:39:07 PM »
ew, females

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Re: WYHI? - fag smoker, ugh !
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2012, 05:43:27 PM »
Anytime, every way....

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2012, 06:27:37 PM »

From USA.Gov:

A dishonorable discharge (DD), like a BCD, is a punitive discharge rather than an
administrative discharge. It can only be handed down to an enlisted member by a general
court-martial. Dishonorable discharges are handed down for what the military considers
the most reprehensible conduct. This type of discharge may be rendered only by
conviction at a general court-martial for serious offenses (e.g., desertion, sexual assault,
murder, etc.) that call for dishonorable discharge as part of the sentence.
With this characterization of service, all veterans' benefits are lost, regardless of any past
honorable service. This type of discharge is universally regarded as shameful, and the
social stigma attached to it makes it very difficult to obtain gainful post-service
employment. Additionally, US federal law prohibits ownership of firearms by those who
have been dishonorably discharged
.[2] A person who receives a
dishonorable discharge loses the right to vote and the right to receive governmental
assistance of any kind.
They cannot obtain a bank loan and they are unable to find work at
the state or government level. Finding gainful civilian employment is also an arduous
task for someone with a DD as most states now require employers to conduct background
checks and the results of military records and discharges are often disclosed. Going to
college is another pitfall because government loans and grants are unavailable for anyone
with a DD. This is a permanent record that will follow the individual for the duration of
their lives anywhere in the world
.





Hope that helps.

You are wrong and I suspect that the text you quoted references a particular State. Most states limit (to different degrees) what convicted felons (and individuals who were dishonorably discharged) voting - some while the person is in prison, some whole the person is in prison and on parole, some even for life.

But the bottom line is that it's up to the State were the person resides. It is not up to the Federal Government.

If you are right you should have no problem finding and quoting the relevant section of U.S. Code. Alas, you won't.

Update: I find parts of the text a bit... "over the top" so to speak. The "can't obtain bankloan" bit for example. I'm not aware of any Federal law that prohibits banks from issuing loans to those who have a dishonorable discharge. They may not get certain types of loans, such as those guaranteed by the FHA, for example, but that is a far cry from an unconditional "can't obtain a loan." There simply is no legal framework for that statement.

The same goes about the "anywhere in the world" bit. As if someone who moves to, say, guy, will be burdened by a dishonorable discharge. The notion is laughable. The biggest inconvenience will be if visas are required and the application requires listing conviction and the country has laws prohibiting the entry of convicted felons.

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Re: WYHI - Lynndie England
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2012, 06:30:58 PM »
Bag of smashed assholinas