can an average nobody that is not fat achieve a 315 legit bench without roids?

[purenaturalstrength]

i wonder

[El Diablo Blanco]

HAHAHA.  Yes.  Easily

[Jaime]

I have been thinking about this a lot lately too.

Deep thought.

[Cutlet767]

315 bench is not an impressive bench. And what the fuck do you mean "fat"? Morbidly obese? I.e. 25%?

You can obviously hit 315 naturally. Just won't be doing it for any quality reps.

Strength is not the measuring stick of what is possible naturally in bodybuilding. Muscle mass and bodyfat is.

[Dr Dutch]

You mean average or less-than-average genetics, PNS ?      

[Cutlet767]

HAHAHA.  Yes.  Easily

Eh no, not fucking EASILY. It's not a fucking bullshit bench, but it's obviously possible.

[Jaime]

Eh no, not fucking EASILY. It's not a fucking bullshit bench, but it's obviously possible.

Prove it.

[purenaturalstrength]

You mean average or less-than-average genetics, PNS ?      

hahaha you remain funny every time.....

[purenaturalstrength]

315 bench is not an impressive bench. And what the fuck do you mean "fat"? Morbidly obese? I.e. 25%?

i mean at least vague abs and veins in the arms type moderately lean

[goomba420]

dude, why dont you just start using steroids? i really dont understand why youve overcomplicated it to the point that you have - just stick the needle in your ass and work out! no need for creating all of these different scenarios to justify using  or not using

[Cutlet767]

i mean at least vague abs and veins in the arms type moderately lean

You can't achieve that if you are genetically just a skinny fucker. You need to have been muscular, 150 160 at 5'9 and 15% or so bodyfat before lifting to even think you can bench 315 naturally to begin with.

[Dr Dutch]

dude, why dont you just start using steroids? i really dont understand why youve overcomplicated it to the point that you have - just stick the needle in your ass and work out! no need for creating all of these different scenarios to justify using  or not using

skinpoppin' skyboppin'baby let the needle burnskydivin' mainlinin'it's the point of no return

[wes]

OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!

I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.

No drugs and was about 5'8" tall,18 inch guns,30 inch thighs,31 inch waist,huge forearms and calves,shitty deltoids and was around 10-12 % bodyfat.

He would carry a dozen hard boiled eggs with him,quarts of milk and OJ,eat tons of food around the clock.

Later he joined the Marines.....came back lighter and weak..............I told him dude never come back looking like that again,fuck boot camp....I had no clue how much they made him run and he did no lifting of course.

Six months or so later,came back just as big and hit 365 on the bench for a triple.


Trained by himself on base in a power rack.

The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.

He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.

I did find out years later that after a certain period he was taking D-Bol............squatted 525 for a deep 5 reps.

I honestly thought he could be another Sergio or Shawn Ray but he stopped training............won his teen class one year at the New Englands,but Jeff McBride won the overall teen.

[Jaime]

You can't achieve that if you are genetically just a skinny fucker. You need to have been muscular, 150 160 at 5'9 and 15% or so bodyfat before lifting to even think you can bench 315 naturally to begin with.

Bullshit. Seen way skinnier bench that.

[Dr Dutch]

The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.

He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.

You should have asked him to marry you, Wes !   

[dustin]

Brutal strength is something you don't need drugs for, just a good training program. Even when you come off drugs if you do happen to use them, you should still have quite a fuckload of strength afterwards. I benched 350lbs for 3 reps when I did Superdrol for the first time and even when I didn't have anything in my system for a year I could still throw up 3 plates.

I've seen other true naturals bench even more than that, and I'm not saying it was an impressive feat at all. I always thought that I was pretty weak, especially after believing all the fake stats from people on bodybuilding.com. People in real life think I lift heavy but between the fake stats and natural liars, I don't really know what's strong and what's weak. Everyone fucking lies. But I've seen REAL naturals bench as much as me, even more, so it's definitely possible.

Outside of power lifting, showing off and ego-lifting, I don't see any reason to bench that high. That's begging for an injury. I don't bench anymore than 225lbs on flat because anything more than that takes away from my chest and starts getting sketchy for the shoulder joint. Even if I were 20lbs heavier in pure muscle I couldn't see myself needing to bench much more than that at all.

[wes]

You should have asked him to marry you, Wes !   

Exit only here bro!! 

[Jaime]

Brutal strength is something you don't need drugs for, just a good training program. Even when you come off drugs if you do happen to use them, you should still have quite a fuckload of strength afterwards. I benched 350lbs for 3 reps when I did Superdrol for the first time and even when I didn't have anything in my system for a year I could still throw up 3 plates.

I've seen other true naturals bench even more than that, and I'm not saying it was an impressive feat at all. I always thought that I was pretty weak, especially after believing all the fake stats from people on bodybuilding.com. People in real life think I lift heavy but between the fake stats and natural liars, I don't really know what's strong and what's weak. Everyone fucking lies. But I've seen REAL naturals bench as much as me, even more, so it's definitely possible.

Outside of power lifting, showing off and ego-lifting, I don't see any reason to bench that high. That's begging for an injury. I don't bench anymore than 225lbs on flat because anything more than that takes away from my chest and starts getting sketchy for the shoulder joint. Even if I were 20lbs heavier in pure muscle I couldn't see myself needing to bench much more than that at all.

Agree with all of this.

[wes]

We had another guy who powerlifted........weigh ed 198..........370 bench in a contest with a pause.

Some guys are just cockstrong and built for power......thick bones and built like tanks.

[BB]

Yes, #315 is a decent bench achievable by most folks of normal size that are willing to consistently put the time in under the bar. It's not a 1 or 2 years of training type thing, but if you've got a decent amount of quality training under your belt, you should be able to hit that for a rep.

[disco_stu]

OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!

I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.

No drugs and was about 5'8" tall,18 inch guns,30 inch thighs,31 inch waist,huge forearms and calves,shitty deltoids and was around 10-12 % bodyfat.

He would carry a dozen hard boiled eggs with him,quarts of milk and OJ,eat tons of food around the clock.

Later he joined the Marines.....came back lighter and weak..............I told him dude never come back looking like that again,fuck boot camp....I had no clue how much they made him run and he did no lifting of course.

Six months or so later,came back just as big and hit 365 on the bench for a triple.


Trained by himself on base in a power rack.

The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.

He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.

I did find out years later that after a certain period he was taking D-Bol............squatted 525 for a deep 5 reps.

I honestly thought he could be another Sergio or Shawn Ray but he stopped training............won his teen class one year at the New Englands,but Jeff McBride won the overall teen.

total BS according to GH15...

ive been saying and giving proof like this for as long as gh15 has been spruiking his loser, "ive never trained a day without roids and never met anyone who doesnt roid" - gospel...

i still meet, from time to time, an old family friend, who is 53 now, currently benching 160kg for 5 strict, controlled, reps..lifetime natural..was doing 180kg in his youth.
(thats 350 and 395 lb for those who havent updated their systems of units). guy's 5'9". naturally lean, naturally virtually hairless, of dutch origin..prolly weighs around 210 from what i can guess, maybe 220.

[_bruce_]

Train A LOT, be consistent in increasing weight gradually and have solid bones and cartilage material.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Eh no, not fucking EASILY. It's not a fucking bullshit bench, but it's obviously possible.

Sounds like you are 16 years old.  315 is easily acheivable to someone who has been working out regularly for 3-4 years.  I was all natural like a dumbass at the time working my ass off and at 19 I was lifting 315 and was pretty lean.  Fuckers my age who were juicing were putting up 4 plates a side and I was working hard, eating boiled egg whites, plain canned tuna every 2 hours for months on end and wondering how all of these dudes are passing me in the bench.  If only I juiced then.

[El Diablo Blanco]

You do realize why he was lighter and weak after being so strong and how he gained his strength back quickly was because he was juicing.

OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!

I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.

No drugs and was about 5'8" tall,18 inch guns,30 inch thighs,31 inch waist,huge forearms and calves,shitty deltoids and was around 10-12 % bodyfat.

He would carry a dozen hard boiled eggs with him,quarts of milk and OJ,eat tons of food around the clock.

Later he joined the Marines.....came back lighter and weak..............I told him dude never come back looking like that again,fuck boot camp....I had no clue how much they made him run and he did no lifting of course.

Six months or so later,came back just as big and hit 365 on the bench for a triple.


Trained by himself on base in a power rack.

The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.

He was up at 4 AM jogging,then went to his early AM part time job,then to school,then we`d meet up and train,then he went to his night part time job.

I did find out years later that after a certain period he was taking D-Bol............squatted 525 for a deep 5 reps.

I honestly thought he could be another Sergio or Shawn Ray but he stopped training............won his teen class one year at the New Englands,but Jeff McBride won the overall teen.

[Loc]

so anyone want to post a good strength training program designed to increase bench?