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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2012, 09:49:59 PM »
So I guess this is you admitting that you don't have a fucking clue regarding the difference between how delegates are chosen/apportioned in caucus states and state conventions vs. how electors are apportioned the night of the general election?

And I'll be sure to start a "Roark PWNS Beach Bum" thread when Ron Paul outperforms your clueless MSM delegate counts.

No, I'm admitting I don't want to keep running in a circle saying the same thing about something so stupid.  Anyone who has followed elections and has at least average intelligence can figure out that delegates are awarded to candidates based on the outcome of elections in the respective states.  But I'll just wait till June and let you figure that out on your own.   :)  

And yes, start an "owning" thread at your leisure.   ::)

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2012, 10:50:06 PM »
No, I'm admitting I don't want to keep running in a circle saying the same thing about something so stupid.  Anyone who has followed elections and has at least average intelligence can figure out that delegates are awarded to candidates based on the outcome of elections in the respective states.  But I'll just wait till June and let you figure that out on your own.   :)  

And yes, start an "owning" thread at your leisure.   ::)

All I can say at this point is that it's clear as day that you're a fucking idiot. I guess you're just one of those people who just doesn't get the difference between a caucus, a state convention, a non-binding straw poll, and a general election. Oh well.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2012, 11:24:35 PM »
All I can say at this point is that it's clear as day that you're a fucking idiot. I guess you're just one of those people who just doesn't get the difference between a caucus, a state convention, a non-binding straw poll, and a general election. Oh well.

I think it's clear as day you Paulbots live in a dream world.  Listen closely:  

1.  Ron Paul will not be the GOP nominee for president.  

2.  The person who has won each caucus or primary will be awarded either their proportional share or winner-take-all delegates whenever their respective states meet, just like they are in every election.  It doesn't matter who the delegates are.  They always follow the popular vote (meaning the person who won the state, and finished second, etc.).  This is true both at the state level and in the electoral college.    

3.  If something in modern history happens, that hasn't happened before, and there is a brokered convention, Ron Paul will not be the nominee.  He's in last place nationally, has not won a single primary or caucus, and is even polling last in his home state.  He will not have the votes at a brokered convention to be the nominee.    

4.  Keep listening to people like Ron Paul's campaign manager who says Texas and California are in play for Ron Paul, and you will continue to be nothing more than a Paulbot.


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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 12:04:40 AM »
This is silly.  The caucus votes mirror the election results.

It's like saying the general election is a "non-binding straw poll," because the electoral college actually elects the president.  The electoral college always mirrors the general election results.    

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 12:21:00 AM »
All I can say at this point is that it's clear as day that you're a fucking idiot. I guess you're just one of those people who just doesn't get the difference between a caucus, a state convention, a non-binding straw poll, and a general election. Oh well.

Yup. And this happens many times with BB, although I know he thinks the same way about us. lol, its all good.


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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2012, 07:08:26 AM »
PPP is an independent polling company not funded by the Ron Paul Campaign.




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You may think they are 100 percent BS, but they determine the nominee in every election.  Delegates are determined by voting outcomes in the primaries and caucuses.  They aren't "non-binding straw polls." 

Romney has an estimated 563 delegates.  When he hits 1164 before the convention he will be the nominee.   http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries.html




Technically, the retard is correct.  It's a tiered process with voting at each level, but I wouldn't say they don't matter.  Each tier sets the standard for the next one and so on.

So, while it is "possible" the outcome could be vastly different, what we are seeing now will usually mirror what's seen at the end.

Plus, I think at this point it's fairly obvious the Republican Party is attempting to obstruct RPs campaign.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2012, 08:18:47 AM »





Jon King from CNN admits Paul is second in delegate count based on how the delegate process works as described in the Reality Check segment.

This was a while ago and so based on states that are bound to the popular vote, he may have fallen behind now, but he still has a slight chance depending on what happens from here on out. I agree his chances are very slim but you never know until its close to over and its not.


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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2012, 02:04:41 PM »
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yeah.  Every election cycle the delegates don't vote in conformity with the primary/caucus results.  What a dumb thing for me to say.   ::)

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2012, 02:11:22 PM »



::)  PPP are Democratic pollsters - Retarded Fuck.


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Technically, the retard is correct.  It's a tiered process with voting at each level, but I wouldn't say they don't matter.  Each tier sets the standard for the next one and so on.

So, while it is "possible" the outcome could be vastly different, what we are seeing now will usually mirror what's seen at the end.

Plus, I think at this point it's fairly obvious the Republican Party is attempting to obstruct RPs campaign.

Yeah I understand how the process works.  I'm talking about, practically speaking, what happens in every cycle.  It's not really a complicated process because the delegates will cast their votes for the person who won the primary/caucus.  No one is going to upset the apple cart at the state level, just like they won't do so in the electoral college. 

Back in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote, people like Bob Beckel were calling for the electoral college to elect Gore.  That kind of stuff will not happen. 

And really, all this talk about the primaries or caucuses being "non-binding straw polls" is coming from fanatical Ron Paul supporters who can't get over the fact the man will never be president. 

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2012, 02:18:28 PM »
The point here is not about his chances on presidency IMHO, like Skip said, its pretty safe to say the Republicans are working to hold back RP's campaign.
Not really fair to compare things when the whole party is doing their best to eliminate him.
I know RP will never be president, and I'd be fine with that if he was given a fair shake. If he was so irrelevant, than why are they working so hard to make sure he cant go anywhere?

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2012, 02:23:34 PM »
The point here is not about his chances on presidency IMHO, like Skip said, its pretty safe to say the Republicans are working to hold back RP's campaign.
Not really fair to compare things when the whole party is doing their best to eliminate him.
I know RP will never be president, and I'd be fine with that if he was given a fair shake. If he was so irrelevant, than why are they working so hard to make sure he cant go anywhere?

Nobody is working too hard, because he doesn't have enough supporters who show up on election day. 

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2012, 03:26:22 PM »
1.  Ron Paul will not be the GOP nominee for president.

Sadly. He's the only person running who's worth a chance at the Presidency.

    
3.  If something in modern history happens, that hasn't happened before, and there is a brokered convention, Ron Paul will not be the nominee.  He's in last place nationally, has not won a single primary or caucus, and is even polling last in his home state.  He will not have the votes at a brokered convention to be the nominee.

The Republicans had a brokered convention in 1948, so I'd hardly say that a brokered convention "hasn't happened before" and I'm pretty sure that 1948 -- just 64 years ago -- qualifies as "modern history."


4.  Keep listening to people like Ron Paul's campaign manager who says Texas and California are in play for Ron Paul, and you will continue to be nothing more than a Paulbot.

I believe that the probability that Paul will win California or Texas are, at best, extremely remote. However, a strong finish isn't out of the question and, all things considered, would be a powerful message in itself.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2012, 03:33:49 PM »
repubs are going to put up romney.   he will be Dole II.  He will lose.

Ron paul is running for rand paul in 2016 now.  He knows the primary voters let hannity and Levin decide RP was a bad choice.  He knows they might be smarter in 2016.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2012, 03:38:59 PM »
repubs are going to put up romney.   he will be Dole II.  He will lose.

Ron paul is running for rand paul in 2016 now.  He knows the primary voters let hannity and Levin decide RP was a bad choice.  He knows they might be smarter in 2016.

Rand Paul... meh. I don't think he's anywhere near as principled or as smart as his Father. Sometimes he says all the right things, but even then it doesn't sound like he believes it; it sounds more like he's parroting something back to you.

We'll have to see I guess.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2012, 05:10:18 PM »
Sadly. He's the only person running who's worth a chance at the Presidency.

    
The Republicans had a brokered convention in 1948, so I'd hardly say that a brokered convention "hasn't happened before" and I'm pretty sure that 1948 -- just 64 years ago -- qualifies as "modern history."


I believe that the probability that Paul will win California or Texas are, at best, extremely remote. However, a strong finish isn't out of the question and, all things considered, would be a powerful message in itself.

Ron Paul has zero chance at the presidency because he can't win the Republican nomination.  Check the number of votes he has received so far.  He's dead last.  His support is paper thin.

The 1948 brokered convention resulted in Dewey being the nominee, after Dewey has won the primaries.  That is exactly what will happen if there is brokered convention in 2012.  That proves my point. 

Have you looked at Paul's standing in the California and Texas polls?  He's not going to have a strong finish in Texas, because he's running last, so any proportional share of delegates will be small, if any.  He can't have a strong finish in California, because it's winner take all, and Romney is running away with California in the current polls. 

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2012, 05:36:08 PM »
Yeah.  Every election cycle the delegates don't vote in conformity with the primary/caucus results.  What a dumb thing for me to say.   ::)


As usual, I give up. 

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2012, 05:48:03 PM »

As usual, I give up. 

As usual, you bring no facts to the table.  I don't expect you to dispute historical results and practices, current polling, or actual primary/caucus results, because they don't fit into your pipe dream. 

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2012, 05:53:50 PM »
Ron Paul has zero chance at the presidency because he can't win the Republican nomination.  Check the number of votes he has received so far.  He's dead last.  His support is paper thin.

Please read more carefully. I never said he had a chance of winning the Presidency. I said he's the only one who's worth a chance at being President. The two statements aren't even semantically close.


The 1948 brokered convention resulted in Dewey being the nominee, after Dewey has won the primaries.  That is exactly what will happen if there is brokered convention in 2012.  That proves my point.

Your point was that if something that hadn't happened before (a brokered convention) happened, Ron Paul wouldn't be the nominee. Ron Paul won't be the nominee regardless of whether the convention is brokered or not. But what you said hasn't happened before – a brokered convention – has happened before.


Have you looked at Paul's standing in the California and Texas polls?  He's not going to have a strong finish in Texas, because he's running last, so any proportional share of delegates will be small, if any.  He can't have a strong finish in California, because it's winner take all, and Romney is running away with California in the current polls.

I haven't -- and won't -- for two reasons: (a) because I don't particularly care for political polls (having taken postgraduate level statistics courses, I've learned to be very skeptical of polls in general; experience has taught me to be very careful on polls on particular); and (b) because the American electorate is fickle and unpredictable. They behave like a dainty dandelion, floating in the gentle breeze. Sometimes the wind is Rick Perry, other times it's Newt Gingrich, other times it's Rick Santorum, other times it's Mitt Romney, other times it's Michelle Bachmann and other times it's the result of the draft from a passing pizza delivery vehicle.

As for the comment about the strong finish, I wasn't referring to delegates. I was referring to a respectable showing in terms of capturing a noteworthy percentage of votes cast. Such a showing could serve as evidence the Republicans that there's more to a platform than primal screams of "WE MUST REGULATE COCKS AND ASSES!" and "JESUS! JESUS! JESUS!"


[Update: tone down a part that was unnecessarily insulting to Beach Bum.]

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2012, 05:57:41 PM »
Please read more carefully before responding so that you don't end up looking like an illiterate buffoon. I never said he had a chance of winning the Presidency. I said he's the only one who's worth a chance at being President. The two statements aren't even semantically close.


Your point was that if something that hadn't happened before (a brokered convention) happened, Ron Paul wouldn't be the nominee. Ron Paul won't be the nominee regardless of whether the convention is brokered or not. But what you said hasn't happened before – a brokered convention – has happened before.


I haven't -- and won't -- for two reasons: (a) because I don't particularly care for political polls (having taken postgraduate level statistics courses, I've learned to be very skeptical of polls in general; experience has taught me to be very careful on polls on particular); and (b) because the American electorate is fickle and unpredictable. They behave like a dainty dandelion, floating in the gentle breeze. Sometimes the wind is Rick Perry, other times it's Newt Gingrich, other times it's Rick Santorum, other times it's Mitt Romney, other times it's Michelle Bachmann and other times it's the result of the draft from a passing pizza delivery vehicle.

As for the comment about the strong finish, I wasn't referring to delegates. I was referring to a respectable showing in terms of capturing a noteworthy percentage of votes cast. Such a showing could serve as evidence the Republicans that there's more to a platform than primal screams of "WE MUST REGULATE COCKS AND ASSES!" and "JESUS! JESUS! JESUS!"
Lulz at the last.  Totally agree.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2012, 06:05:08 PM »
As usual, you bring no facts to the table.  I don't expect you to dispute historical results and practices, current polling, or actual primary/caucus results, because they don't fit into your pipe dream. 

 Actually i did. One item is only 5 minutes long and the other one was 50 seconds long but I doubt you even bothered to look at it so whats the point discussing it further? Whatever...

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2012, 06:10:41 PM »
Please read more carefully. I never said he had a chance of winning the Presidency. I said he's the only one who's worth a chance at being President. The two statements aren't even semantically close.



lol, frustratingly funny


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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2012, 06:16:08 PM »
Please read more carefully. I never said he had a chance of winning the Presidency. I said he's the only one who's worth a chance at being President. The two statements aren't even semantically close.


Your point was that if something that hadn't happened before (a brokered convention) happened, Ron Paul wouldn't be the nominee. Ron Paul won't be the nominee regardless of whether the convention is brokered or not. But what you said hasn't happened before – a brokered convention – has happened before.


I haven't -- and won't -- for two reasons: (a) because I don't particularly care for political polls (having taken postgraduate level statistics courses, I've learned to be very skeptical of polls in general; experience has taught me to be very careful on polls on particular); and (b) because the American electorate is fickle and unpredictable. They behave like a dainty dandelion, floating in the gentle breeze. Sometimes the wind is Rick Perry, other times it's Newt Gingrich, other times it's Rick Santorum, other times it's Mitt Romney, other times it's Michelle Bachmann and other times it's the result of the draft from a passing pizza delivery vehicle.

As for the comment about the strong finish, I wasn't referring to delegates. I was referring to a respectable showing in terms of capturing a noteworthy percentage of votes cast. Such a showing could serve as evidence the Republicans that there's more to a platform than primal screams of "WE MUST REGULATE COCKS AND ASSES!" and "JESUS! JESUS! JESUS!"


[Update: tone down a part that was unnecessarily insulting to Beach Bum.]

Ok.  I reread more carefully.  I have no idea what you mean by "worth a chance at being president."  If you're talking about electability, I disagree.  If you're talking about ideological purity, I still disagree.  He's a politician.  More honest than most, but still a politician.  I don't trust any of them.  

If you're quibbling about whether 64 years ago is considered "modern history," then you win.  

I have not taken postgraduate level statistics, but I've been following politics for a long time.  Polls are first and foremost useful discussion pieces.  Secondly, they are fairly accurate predictors.  For example, you rarely see someone polling in fourth place by a large margin before the election pull out a victory, unless the voting population is relatively small.  

The polls leading up to every primary and caucus this year have been very accurate.  

I seriously doubt Ron Paul will capture a sizable percentage of votes in California.  He did not fare well in 2008 and will likely finish last this year.  In Texas, the fact he could finish last in his home state speaks volumes.  Newt won his "home" state.  Romney won his.  Santorum will probably win Pa.  Ron Paul just doesn't have a large enough following to make any long-lasting statement IMO.

I haven't heard the primal screams you're talking about.  The frontrunner (Romney) is talking primarily about the economy.  As in most presidential elections, the economy, defense, and taxes are the most important issues on the table.  

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2012, 06:17:27 PM »
Actually i did. One item is only 5 minutes long and the other one was 50 seconds long but I doubt you even bothered to look at it so whats the point discussing it further? Whatever...

If you're talking videos, no I didn't see that you posted them and didn't watch them.  You need someone else to do your thinking for you? 

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2012, 06:25:47 PM »
If you're talking videos, no I didn't see that you posted them and didn't watch them.  You need someone else to do your thinking for you?  


 I thought it would be easier for you to follow moving pictures and listening to someone explain it to you because you obviously cant read and I don't to waste any more of my time trying to get the point through your fat head.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul More Electable Than Mitt Romney
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM »

 I thought it would be easier for you to follow moving pictures and listening to someone explain it to you because you obviously cant read and I don't to waste any more of my time trying to get the point through your fat head.

Ok. Now you went and hurt my feelings.   :'(  But I am stunned that you are unable to articulate your position.  Didn't see that one coming.  lol