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Re: Spike Lee tweets wrong address of Zimmerman
« Reply #675 on: March 28, 2012, 08:49:48 AM »
Zimmerman is a spic despite his last name which would lead you to think he is a Semite

Look- I'm part spainish and I can tell you that a beaner shooting a brotha is basically black on black crime

No need for that midget spike lee to get involved

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #676 on: March 28, 2012, 08:52:16 AM »
zimmerpig is a murderer. He chased, caught, confronted and then killed the spook. zimerpig should be arrested and a jury of 12 should decide what happened. Leave zimmerpig alone? It's never going to happen, and it shouldn't.
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Re: Trayvon Martin was 6'3, 170 pounds, why do the media show baby pics
« Reply #677 on: March 28, 2012, 08:53:48 AM »
All the racists here call him a thug yet its Zimmerman with the criminal record not the kid. Boy, get a tat, smoke some weed and your a "thug". There sure is a hell of alot of young white thugs out there.
Like I said, you're all a bunch of hypocrites. Keep ordering your steroids (schedule III drug)and listening to rap while complaining about this guy thug who deserved to be shot. You guys give e-kul's shit for not getting over his pitbull attack but you fucking fags get your bike stolen or your ass kicked in a fight with a black kid and it's I hate dem fucking n@ggers for the rest of your life.
Sorry, but I don`t like Hip-Hop culture or most black memes or stereotypes that they choose to follow.  I don`t care which race follows it, I don`t like it nor should I have to be a fan of it.

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #678 on: March 28, 2012, 08:56:17 AM »
zimmerpig is a murderer. He chased, caught, confronted and then killed the spook. zimerpig should be arrested and a jury of 12 should decide what happened. Leave zimmerpig alone? It's never going to happen, and it shouldn't.
Oh, don't worry Zimmerman is being tried right now as we speak, not by a jury of his peers, but i heard the verdict was in, and it wasn't looking good for Zimmerman - I guarantee the dude wont see 40 - he is way too high profile not too hit now - Someone is going to make a name of Zimmerman, it is just a matter of time!
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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #679 on: March 28, 2012, 08:56:37 AM »
I'm not sure why this incident is receiving so much attention. This type of thing happens in America every single day in one form or another. Like I say, "Just Another Day In America", nothing to see here, move on.
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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #680 on: March 28, 2012, 08:58:19 AM »
It's always the same in America, everyone running around with guns and then being shocked that people get shot left and right. Why the hell do civilians need guns? Retarded as can be

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #681 on: March 28, 2012, 09:00:38 AM »
If someone does do something violent to Zimmerman, that could be the spark to start a major race war.

I do not want to see that in the least, but there are far too many people out there who are full of angst that are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

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Re: Trayvon Martin was 6'3, 170 pounds, why do the media show baby pics
« Reply #682 on: March 28, 2012, 09:03:06 AM »
Are you really comparing insects to dogs?

I am not putting dogs on the same level as humans, but it is a fairly well accepted notion that dogs have been kept as pets and working companions for quite some time in civilized society.
No, I am saying that their is a heirachy - and humans are atop of that hierarchy - the value of other life forms then becomes fairly subjective - Indians worshipping cows - westerners farming them by the millions - Japanese enjoy whale meat - westerners see whales as sacred and not to be killed - I mean what matters is that humans are at the top and everything else is underneath - including dogs!
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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #683 on: March 28, 2012, 09:05:04 AM »
Innocent until proven guilty.......ask OJ. ;)
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #684 on: March 28, 2012, 09:05:04 AM »
If someone does do something violent to Zimmerman, that could be the spark to start a major race war.

I do not want to see that in the least, but there are far too many people out there who are full of angst that are sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Some times a little civil war is what is needed to get the truth exposed, quite often in conflict the real issues are ignored and are only quickly brought to the surface through some civil war or some form of serious civil dissent!
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Re: Trayvon Martin was 6'3, 170 pounds, why do the media show baby pics
« Reply #685 on: March 28, 2012, 09:05:31 AM »
Treyvon started the violence!

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #686 on: March 28, 2012, 09:05:39 AM »
If someone does do something violent to Zimmerman, that could be the spark to start a major race war.I do not want to see that in the least, but there are far too many people out there who are full of angst that are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Agreed. But who vs. who? The cops says he's "white."  He's obviously Mexican't. His name is Jewish.   Everybody vs. Everybody?
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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #687 on: March 28, 2012, 09:05:56 AM »
Well, were I come from you would be arrested for following another citizen around all day, it would be considered unwanted harassment and an intervention would be in place within 24 hours - it's that simple - like a citizen would put up with some arsehole following them around!  I don't know about the states, but there are some protections over here from Loonies!

You live in that communist shithole called England right?

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Re: Trayvon Martin was 6'3, 170 pounds, why do the media show baby pics
« Reply #688 on: March 28, 2012, 09:06:32 AM »
Treyvon started created the violence!
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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #689 on: March 28, 2012, 09:07:06 AM »
It may have been a legal shoot.  But:

The shooter had a history of alcohol treatement, pushed a cop a few years back and was charged with a felony, and had a restraining order for domestic violence.

The shootee had a history of blackness, Abeles Zimmerman was right, it was the treyvon that started the violence!

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #690 on: March 28, 2012, 09:09:41 AM »
Some times a little civil war is what is needed to get the truth exposed, quite often in conflict the real issues are ignored and are only quickly brought to the surface through some civil war or some form of serious civil dissent!

At how many of these "I am Trayvon" rallies have there been looting?  What are the people in attendance trying to say by flash mobbing an innocent store?  What point does that convey? 

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #691 on: March 28, 2012, 09:10:34 AM »
I still don`t see where Zimmerman should be charged with anything.  He should be allowed to use his weapon if he is getting attacked.  His Freedom of Speech should also be protected.  You should be able to say whatever you want to whomever you want and not expect violence and if violence does occur, defending yourself should be a viable option.

I don`t see why the blacks are running with this case at all.  Its pretty pathetic at this point.

Normally I would agree with you, the problem is he was chasing the kid on the 911 tape.  They asked him if he was following him and he said YES... they asked him to NOT FOLLOW HIM...

2 violent arrests, restraining order by his ex girlfriend, anger management classes, alcohol abuse problems, and calling the cops 47x in 1 year is a complete nut job...



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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #692 on: March 28, 2012, 09:13:24 AM »
I'm not sure why this incident is receiving so much attention. This type of thing happens in America every single day in one form or another. Like I say, "Just Another Day In America", nothing to see here, move on.

I disagree... People don't get murdered and the cops hand the gun back to the killer and let him go home with no fingerprints, photos, crime scene, statements etc...... Do people get murdered daily? Of course...

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #693 on: March 28, 2012, 09:19:11 AM »
Normally I would agree with you, the problem is he was chasing the kid on the 911 tape.  They asked him if he was following him and he said YES... they asked him to NOT FOLLOW HIM...

2 violent arrests, restraining order by his ex girlfriend, anger management classes, alcohol abuse problems, and calling the cops 47x in 1 year is a complete nut job...



Doesn`t matter.  Following someone is not a crime nor should it be.  Furthermore, the dispatcher does not have to be obeyed nor should they be.  Look at this case for instance:



http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-3517564.html

Man Kills Suspects While On Phone With 911

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The 911 call came from a Pasadena, Tex., resident, who alerted police to two burglary suspects on a neighbor's property. Before he hung up, two men were dead by his hand.

Joe Horn, 61, told the dispatcher what he intended to do: Walk out his front door with a shotgun.

"I've got a shotgun," Horn said, according to a tape of the 911 call. "Do you want me to stop them?"

"Nope, don't do that - ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?" the dispatcher responded.

"Hurry up man, catch these guys, will you? 'Cause I'm ain't gonna let 'em go, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not gonna let 'em go. I'm not gonna let 'em get away with this ----."

Shortly after, Horn said he sees one suspect was standing in front of his house, looking at it from the street.

"I don't know if they're armed or not. I know they got a crowbar 'cause that's what they broke the windows with. ... Man, this is scary, I can't believe this is happening in this neighborhood."

He gets more agitated. The dispatcher asks if he can see the suspects but they had retreated into the target's house, out of view: "I can go out the front [to look], but if I go out the front I'm bringing my shotgun with me, I swear to God. I am not gonna let 'em get away with this, I can't take a chance on getting killed over this, OK? I'm gonna shoot, I'm gonna shoot."

"Stay inside the house and don't go out there, OK?" the dispatcher said. "I know you're pissed off, I know what you're feeling, but it's not worth shooting somebody over this, OK?"

"I don't want to," Horn said, "but I mean if I go out there, you know, to see what the hell is going on, what choice am I gonna have?

"No, I don't want you to go out there, I just asked if you could see anything out there."

The dispatcher asks if a vehicle could be seen; Horn said no. The dispatcher again says Horn should stay inside the house.

Almost five minutes into the call, police had not arrived.

"I can't see if [the suspects are] getting away or not," Horn said.

Horn told the dispatcher that he doesn't know the neighbors well, unlike those living on the other side of his home. "I can assure you if it had been their house, I would have already done something, because I know them very well," he said.

    Dispatcher: "I want you to listen to me carefully, OK?"

    Horn: "Yes?"

    Dispatcher: "I got ultras coming out there. I don't want you to go outside that house. And I don't want you to have that gun in your hand when those officers are poking around out there."

    Horn: "I understand that, OK, but I have a right to protect myself too, sir, and you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the First and you know it and I know it."

    Dispatcher: "I understand."

    Horn: "I have a right to protect myself ..."

    Dispatcher: "I'm ..."

    Horn: "And a shotgun is a legal weapon, it's not an illegal weapon."

    Dispatcher: "No, it's not, I'm not saying that, I'm just not wanting you to ..."

    Horn: "OK, he's coming out the window right now, I gotta go, buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window. "

    Dispatcher: "No, don't, don't go out the door, Mister Horn. Mister Horn..."

    Horn: "They just stole something, I'm going out to look for 'em, I'm sorry, I ain't letting them get away with this ----. They stole something, they got a bag of stuff. I'm doing it!"

    Dispatcher: "Mister, do not go outside the house."

    Horn: "I'm sorry, this ain't right, buddy."

    Dispatcher: "You gonna get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun, I don't care what you think."

    Horn: "You wanna make a bet?"

    Dispatcher: "Stay in the house."

    Horn: "There, one of them's getting away!

    Dispatcher: "That's alright, property's not something worth killing someone over. OK? Don't go out the house, don't be shooting nobody. I know you're pissed and you're frustrated but don't do it."

    Horn: "They got a bag of loot."

    Dispatcher: "OK. How big is the bag?" He then talks off, relaying the information.

    Dispatcher: "Which way are they going?"

    Horn: "I can't ... I'm going outside. I'll find out."

    Dispatcher: "I don't want you going outside, Mister..."

    Horn: "Well, here it goes buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going."

    Dispatcher: "Don't go outside."

On the tape of the 911 call, the shotgun can be heard being cocked and Horn can be heard going outside and confronting someone.

"Boom! You're dead!" he shouts. A loud bang is heard, then a shotgun being cocked and fired again, and then again.

Then Horn is back on the phone:

    "Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."

    Dispatcher: "Mister Horn, are you out there right now?"

    Horn: "No, I am inside the house, I went back in the house. Man, they come right in my yard, I didn't know what the --- they was gonna do, I shot 'em, OK?"

    Dispatcher: "Did you shoot somebody?

    Horn: "Yes, I did, the cops are here right now."

    Dispatcher: "Where are you right now?"

    Horn: "I'm inside the house. ..."

    Dispatcher: "Mister Horn, put that gun down before you shoot an officer of mine. I've got several officers out there without uniforms on."

    Horn: "I am in the front yard right now. I am ..."

    Dispatcher: "Put that gun down! There's officers out there without uniforms on. Do not shoot anybody else, do you understand me? I've got police out there..."

    Horn: "I understand, I understand. I am out in the front yard waving my hand right now."

    Dispatcher: "You don't have a gun with you, do you?

    Horn: "No, no, no."

    Dispatcher: "You see a uniformed officer? Now lay down on the ground and don't do nothing else."

    Yelling is heard.

    Dispatcher: "Lay down on the ground, Mister Horn. Do what the officers tell you to do right now."

Two days later, Horn released a statement through an attorney.

"The events of that day will weigh heavily on me for the rest of my life," it said. "My thoughts go out to the loved ones of the deceased."

The identities of the men killed were released Friday.

They are Miguel Antonio Dejesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30. Official records show that each of them had a prior arrest in Harris County for drug offenses.

The men were reportedly shot at a distance of less than 15 feet.

A woman who lives nearby who asked not to be identified told CBS News affiliate KHOU correspondent Rucks Russell that she always saw Horn as a grandfather figure. "He is the guardian of the neighborhood," she said. "He takes care of all our kids. If we ever need anything, we call him."

But according to Tom Lambright, Horn's attorney and a friend for more than four decades, he's the one in need now. "He just needs everyone to know he's not a villain, he's not a bad guy," Lambright said.

He went on to say that Horn voluntarily gave an extensive video statement to police immediately following the shooting.

Horn was not taken into custody after the shooting.
A Harris County grand jury will decide if charges are to be filed.

Lambright says Horn acted in complete and total self defense and has nothing to hide.

Local opinion has been passionate on both sides of the shooting.

One letter to the Houston Chronicle said, "He didn't shoot them in the legs, to make sure they did not run away, or hold them at gunpoint until police arrived. No, he was judge, jury and executioner."

Another letter writer praised Horn, saying, "Where does the line form to pin a medal on Joe Horn? I want to get in line." Another wrote, "Let's get rid of the police force and just hire Joe Horn!"

Support for Horn was also running about 2-1 in an online survey of readers on the KHOU Web site.

The incident may prove a test for a new law recently passed in Texas which expands the right of citizens to use deadly force.

Under Texas law, people may use deadly force to protect their own property or to stop arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night.

But the legislator who authored the "castle doctrine" bill told the Chronicle it was never intended to apply to a neighbor's property, to prompt a "'Law West of the Pecos' mentality or action," said Republican Sen. Jeff Wentworth. "You're supposed to be able to defend your own home, your own family, in your house, your place of business or your motor vehicle."
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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #694 on: March 28, 2012, 09:20:00 AM »
I asked this question in the other thread, but got no answer surprisingly.

If your mother comes outside her home to check that a stranger loitering outside isn't causing trouble, as she has had trouble in the past, you are all ok with the stranger punching her in the face, breaking her nose, then getting down and slamming her head in to the sidewalk multiple times?This is a reasonable response?

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Re: Trayvon Martin was 6'3, 170 pounds, why do the media show baby pics
« Reply #695 on: March 28, 2012, 09:21:06 AM »
All the racists here call him a thug yet its Zimmerman with the criminal record not the kid. Boy, get a tat, smoke some weed and your a "thug". There sure is a hell of alot of young white thugs out there.
Like I said, you're all a bunch of hypocrites. Keep ordering your steroids (schedule III drug)and listening to rap while complaining about this guy thug who deserved to be shot. You guys give e-kul's shit for not getting over his pitbull attack but you fucking fags get your bike stolen or your ass kicked in a fight with a black kid and it's I hate dem fucking n@ggers for the rest of your life.

Because being caught with stolen womens jewelry and the implements to steal them with makes him a criminal in the making, he had chosen a lifestyle that he chose to associate him self with (hiphop/thug life)  

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #696 on: March 28, 2012, 09:23:19 AM »
I asked this question in the other thread, but got no answer surprisingly.

If your mother comes outside her home to check that a stranger loitering outside isn't causing trouble, as she has had trouble in the past, you are all ok with the stranger punching her in the face, breaking her nose, then getting down and slamming her head in to the sidewalk multiple times?This is a reasonable response?

Exactly, that's the response of a street thug.

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Re: Trayvon Martin was 6'3, 170 pounds, why do the media show baby pics
« Reply #697 on: March 28, 2012, 09:24:51 AM »
So basically I can harass somebody walking down the street at night and if a fight ensues and I'm losing I can legally shoot the guy. That's basically what you guys are saying is it not?

People are acting like this kid was innocent and never said a thing.  For all you know he threatened to cap whities ass and ran at him or something.  You never know.

Either way.  shotting someone should still require some sort of trial.

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Re: George Zimmeran should be left alone. Trayvon started the Violence.
« Reply #699 on: March 28, 2012, 09:26:33 AM »
I asked this question in the other thread, but got no answer surprisingly.

If your mother comes outside her home to check that a stranger loitering outside isn't causing trouble, as she has had trouble in the past, you are all ok with the stranger punching her in the face, breaking her nose, then getting down and slamming her head in to the sidewalk multiple times?This is a reasonable response?

Excellent point