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Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« on: March 26, 2012, 01:18:18 PM »
Wow!   My email box and PMs runneth over.  Some of you are really interested in the apnea/steroid connection and with good reason; I guarantee you there is a connection!  If you are cycling and you haven’t developed apnea yet, I think it is only a matter of time.  Your airway is going to become constricted, and even during waking hours your breathing will become labored.  Over the years, I have seen this in person with a number of big guys.  I recall Palumbo discussing this in an interview many years ago as well.  I am posting this publicly to save some time (too many PMs) and because this is way more serious than the HGH Dick some of you were so curious about a few years ago.  This is something we should be sharing information on:

• If you have developed (even mild) apnea over what period of time did it develop?

• What were you taking when it developed?  The guys I knew were on some combination of deca/test/hgh.

• Do you consider apnea a serious health risk?  What are the long-term implications of having it?  Can it be cured or reversed (yes, I think so)?

By the way, it is common for some guys (especially fat guys) to develop apnea even if they have never cycled.  :(

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 01:22:38 PM »
I have Polycythemia. My hemotologists says it is from a combination of sleep apnea and AAs use. My blood got so thick 2 yrs ago that it blew a hole in my colon. After a day of filling up the toilet with blood I was in the hospital. Nasty shit.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 01:26:41 PM »
Also a theory about wheat allergies causing sinus problem/post nasal drip which could lead to Sleep apnea...

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2012, 01:26:55 PM »
But what does you being gay have to do with this?

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 01:32:42 PM »
:-X

What was the underlying condition. MANY people have thick blood and sky high blood presure and dont have this happen. Was your colon  :-X the weakest link?

Probably the weakest link, and a good thing. They said I was very lucky I did not stroke out. They had to pull a bunch of blood out of me so new blood would thin it out. They had this big plastick syringe and a huge needle and could barely get it to pass in the hospital. It was so fuking painfull. Then I had to go to the blood bank 3x a week to let blood out. It still raises every so often but nothing to where it was at that time.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 01:36:58 PM »
Well, I used to sleep like a baby and rarely snore but I've been told I snore quite frequently now (not all the time). I always put it down to the increase in weight

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 01:41:24 PM »
Interesting. I just had a sleep study done and have severe obstructive sleep apnea. I often stop breathing and at times am woken up vomiting or nearly vomiting.

I consider it serious and am seeking treatment. I also have much less pronounced apnea when ripped than when bulked up.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 01:48:25 PM »
Well........at least its not about muffins, flowers, or gas  ::)

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 01:49:33 PM »
It would be interesting to see how much of this is a function of the massive weight gain strength/power athletes and people in general have under gone in the last 30 odd years. Nearly every heavy or super heavy weight powerlifter I know over 30 has it, or is close to it.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 01:51:39 PM »
Well........at least its not about muffins, flowers, or gas  ::)

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 01:55:46 PM »
For some reason back in 2004, I had become obsessed with neck training.  I had read some articles that said if you had a strong neck, you would have a strong back. 

I was deadlifting quite a bit back then, as it has always been my best lift of the big 3, and was hitting in the low 500's.

Admittedly, I was carrying some excess adipose tissue, but I was by no means fat.  I was 215 pounds, and had worked my neck up to a size 17 1/2" shirt.  All of my shirts had to be custom made due to my neck/yoke measurements.

I had access to a Nautilus 4 way neck machine (Power Plus model--it was in my house), and I would work all directions.  Flexion is what caused me to have some sleep issues.  My girlfriend at the time told me I was snoring loudly, and I had never been a snorer in the past.

I read all of the materials I could find on sleep disorders, and I stopped doing flexion, but still did lateral flexion and extension.  No more snoring.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 02:18:18 PM »
or credit scores
Come on now, let's not get Wes pissed off by bringing up credit scores. Incidentally mine is 850.;)

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 02:23:52 PM »
As soon as I reached about 200lbs lean, I started having mild apnea. It gets worse with each 5lb increase in weight.
I am about 220 right now at 10-12% and it is the worst I have had it. Currently on Deca, low mast, low tren.
It happens to me regardless of my stack though, I will have it completely off AAS if my bodyweight stays over 200.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 02:29:25 PM »
It would be interesting to see how much of this is a function of the massive weight gain strength/power athletes and people in general have under gone in the last 30 odd years. Nearly every heavy or super heavy weight powerlifter I know over 30 has it, or is close to it.

x2.  Now, of that number how many of them are natural?  I suspect very few.  :-\

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2012, 03:05:57 PM »
Guys sleep apnea is no joke. The respiratory system and the cardiovascular system function in a closed loop, so chages in one system will also cause changes in the other. Severe apnea can lead to heart damage down the line

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2012, 06:49:39 PM »
I have it.  Have had surgery and c-pap machine to correct it.   I'm 5'7" and usually around 250lbs.   If I diet down under 230 it goes away.  Extremely painful surgery, involved shaving back some of my soft palate, removing tonsils and adenoids.......basically removing whatever they could to increase the size of the air way. 

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2012, 06:51:10 PM »
some people are suckers for marketing

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2012, 06:51:48 PM »


K I just have to ask and I dont want to derail the thread or anything but... Hgh dick?

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2012, 07:39:14 PM »
I have it.  Have had surgery and c-pap machine to correct it.   I'm 5'7" and usually around 250lbs.   If I diet down under 230 it goes away.  Extremely painful surgery, involved shaving back some of my soft palate, removing tonsils and adenoids.......basically removing whatever they could to increase the size of the air way.  

Wow, that is a lot of work done for sleep apnea. Are you 250lb of fit muscle or simply overweight? If your weight is mostly muscle and your bodyfat is reasonable then I have to applaud your dedication to being a bigger dude than everyone else.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 07:55:13 PM »
I have it.  Have had surgery and c-pap machine to correct it.   I'm 5'7" and usually around 250lbs.   If I diet down under 230 it goes away.  Extremely painful surgery, involved shaving back some of my soft palate, removing tonsils and adenoids.......basically removing whatever they could to increase the size of the air way.  

Ouch!  :'(

Do you still have it? Has it gone away completely? Do you sleep undisturbed now? ???

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 07:56:40 PM »

K I just have to ask and I dont want to derail the thread or anything but... Hgh dick?

Newbies!  ::)


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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=170470.msg2400935#msg2400935

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2012, 07:59:50 PM »
Never used peds and I'm not fat. And I have sleep apea. Playing sports got me a deviated septum. I got that fixed. And my pressure when down from  18 to 8. The rest is cause, according to doctor, by thick neck, big togue, big uvula, and small throat. He acutally told me to stop lifting weights.  ::) what an asshole. So maybe lifts weights= sleep apea?
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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 08:00:14 PM »
I have it.  Have had surgery and c-pap machine to correct it.   I'm 5'7" and usually around 250lbs.   If I diet down under 230 it goes away.  Extremely painful surgery, involved shaving back some of my soft palate, removing tonsils and adenoids.......basically removing whatever they could to increase the size of the air way. 

I had this done as well,...in one go in the hospital,...as well as deviated septum fixed...I could tell when the cpap started to work...Before the bed linens would be all trashed because of legs thrashing about...the first night that the machine worked the linens were all as they had been before going to sleep and I was refreshed as I have never been before.

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Re: Sleep apnea/steroid connection
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 08:00:26 PM »
Newbies!  ::)


why do some bodybuilders heads/hands grow?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=170470.msg2400935#msg2400935

Haha we all started somewhere, thanks for the link. Mostly just a newb in regards to hgh and slin nowadays.