Getting blood work done or keeping an eye on blood pressure?

[randy841]

Ditto
Get a physical once a year...
I have some friends who haven't had one in decades....not good.

They are the primary candidates for sudden death. One could exercise everyday of their life and have their #'s off. This is the case with an older colleague at the gym who fails to accept that things are catching up with his age (57). He walks around with blood pressure 190/100. For the last 7 years refused to take any medication until this year. He was adamant he exercises 4-5 times a week, is in shape, and cycles religiously in the summer. What finally got through to him? When the doctor said you will drop dead one of these days. "Silent killer" was the key word. He has even stopped weight training heavily at the request of the doctor and any intensive cardio. He's never touched juice.

[dfresh]

Thats like going to a job interview, getting the job and stuff, and your first day at work you start asking your coworkers about the company, and the position you got hired for and what the fuck the company even does !

my point is, before you started jabbing yourself, you shouldve done your homework, so most of the stuff you ask have already been beat to death.


most of the stuff about steroids is just common sense, but the thing is, common sense is not always common practice.  For example, some folks here run 200mg tren ace ED no problem, and they advocate it. and then you have someone like man of steele or something like that , he's taking tren ace 75mg ED or EOD, and he's having panic attacks left and right ( see his thread). so what does common sense dictate to him ? that maybe tren ace is not for him, or he's dosing too high.


and most of your questions are vague or just plain old wierd. Like asking " do you guys wear more black clothes while on gear or lighter color shirts?" ..theres no simple answer to... and now back to your main question, your asking about if BP is more important or bloodwork... well both are. common sense dictates that keeping tabs on your body is a good way to know if your body is in check or not. BW and BP are like a fucking scale, they are just fucking #s which keep you on track. how often do you weight yourself? well ideally it would be good to check your BP and BW as that often too, but thats not what most people do simply because going to a doctor is expensive.

some people dont go to doctor for years, some folks like me get bloodwork done 4 times a year, because of my job and my insurance covers it.

do you see how your questions are lame? your essetially asking " guys, im adding hormones to my body which will pretty much affect all other hormones and levels in my body, is it a good idea to get bloodwork and see if its affecting me too bad"? see how lame that question is?


i hope u dont see it as a flame, but next time think before you post,i dont even respond to most of your threads cuz they questions are so lame

vent much?

 i just like to get as many different views as possible from as many people as possible...whats wrong with that?

not trying to be "lame" or "weird" bro....

i know it is a good idea to get blood work done and check your bp from time to time...which is why i bought a monitor. as for the blood work, i have just begun dabbling in hormones...so i planned on getting some done after my run with tren(12 weeks). oh and i did a 6 week run with a prohormone last year...so technically that was my first....a few months prior i had routine type blood work done and everything was good. so while i havent had any in over a year, this is only my second time running anything aas/ph related...not justifying it, just making a statement

alls i was asking was what do people feel is more important, ive heard some say bp and ive heard some say getting blood work... this board seems to have some knowledgeable/straight forward dudes so i figured why not pose the question here

just looking to further educate myself each day bro, thats all

[Marlo Stanfield]

vent much?

 i just like to get as many different views as possible from as many people as possible...whats wrong with that?

not trying to be "lame" or "weird" bro....

i know it is a good idea to get blood work done and check your bp from time to time...which is why i bought a monitor. as for the blood work, i have just begun dabbling in hormones...so i planned on getting some done after my run with tren(12 weeks). oh and i did a 6 week run with a prohormone last year...so technically that was my first....a few months prior i had routine type blood work done and everything was good. so while i havent had any in over a year, this is only my second time running anything aas/ph related...not justifying it, just making a statement

alls i was asking was what do people feel is more important, ive heard some say bp and ive heard some say getting blood work... this board seems to have some knowledgeable/straight forward dudes so i figured why not pose the question here

just looking to further educate myself each day bro, thats all

see the bold part. thats my point right there. you ask questions where there is no ONE answer. Its like asking "which one is more vital, your left testicle or your right one", there isnt really much to debate, in that case the answer is "neither/both".  You asking whats more important, BP or BW.. a simple google search will show you why BP is important and why its the silent killer and why its importnant to keep it under check, and a simple google of blood work shows why all the results of the bloodwork are important to keep an eye on. each of them checks for something different. 



your asking to pick one, the answer is BOTH are important. obviously its easir to keep an eye on ur BP cuz you can just do it at home, but other than that, both are EQUALLY important.

[dfresh]

see the bold part. thats my point right there. you ask questions where there is no ONE answer. Its like asking "which one is more vital, your left testicle or your right one", there isnt really much to debate, in that case the answer is "neither/both".  You asking whats more important, BP or BW.. a simple google search will show you why BP is important and why its the silent killer and why its importnant to keep it under check, and a simple google of blood work shows why all the results of the bloodwork are important to keep an eye on. each of them checks for something different. 



your asking to pick one, the answer is BOTH are important. obviously its easir to keep an eye on ur BP cuz you can just do it at home, but other than that, both are EQUALLY important.

yea i just tend to worry/overthink things. i just like to think since im not doing rec drugs, drinking all the time, abusing orals etc that im fine and blood work wouldnt be as important...but i understand it is still smart to get it checked

[Marlo Stanfield]

yea i just tend to worry/overthink things. i just like to think since im not doing rec drugs, drinking all the time, abusing orals etc that im fine and blood work wouldnt be as important...but i understand it is still smart to get it checked

me neither, i dont do drugs, but i get bloodwork. i posted my lab work on the steroid forum from last week

[dfresh]

me neither, i dont do drugs, but i get bloodwork. i posted my lab work on the steroid forum from last week

everything good to go?

im sure you've been using hormones longer than me lol

[chess315]

smoking and drinking and other rec drugs are just as bad as sterioids. I don't go get a physical after every 6months of chewing to tobacco or drinking and most don't either.

[dfresh]

smoking and drinking and other rec drugs are just as bad as sterioids. I don't go get a physical after every 6months of chewing to tobacco or drinking and most don't either.

exactly....alcohol/tobacco are far worse! ....so why am i getting shit from everyone lol!

[Dr Dutch]

Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...

To answer your PM.

take care

says dr dutch

[dfresh]

Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...

To answer your PM.

take care

says dr dutch

yea im just starting to see the whole "steroids are bad for your health" thing is a little blown outta proportion lol

now if i was some drug addict/alcoholic and wanted to use hormones, then i could see it being a problem...but as others are reassuring me the more i read/ask questions....i dont need to worry too much at all about my health as long as im not running crazy doses and/or mixing in other drugs, and binge drinking all the time, etc

which is awesome to hear!

im 23 btw doc

[dfresh]

Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...

To answer your PM.

take care

says dr dutch

btw you mentioned if you do lots of orals you have to get blood work, what if you dont do orals, or do them but not abuse them?

basically just trying to clear up your answer as far as how important blood work is.... technically you only said you have to get it if you do lots of orals...but what if you dont, or you do use them, but not a lot of them

not trying to be a pain in the ass here, but looking for clarification is all..thanks again docta!

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Worrying too much can cause anxiety and can cause your BP to rise so you need to learn to meditate and calm down.  Don't let the anxiety get to you.

Very true...If you go to a doctor and get blood work done, he/she will almost always find "something" to watch etc...Then you go home and tell your wife and she starts to stress out...That alone can cause more damage to your body then anything else. In many cases, doctors have jumped the shark for the everyday person. Its all doom and gloom.

[deceiver]

Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...

To answer your PM.

take care

says dr dutch

That's simply not true. I know many guys who used within limits and had serious health issues just from use of hormones within normal dosages.

[Dr Dutch]

That's simply not true. I know many guys who used within limits and had serious health issues just from use of hormones within normal dosages.

That's not in contradiction with my post, friend..

[dfresh]

deceiver: explain?

and dutch answer my last post...please

[Dr Dutch]

btw you mentioned if you do lots of orals you have to get blood work, what if you dont do orals, or do them but not abuse them?

basically just trying to clear up your answer as far as how important blood work is.... technically you only said you have to get it if you do lots of orals...but what if you dont, or you do use them, but not a lot of them

not trying to be a pain in the ass here, but looking for clarification is all..thanks again docta!

Do bloodtests when you get weird symptoms or feel tired all day. I'd say always do liver tests after a period of orals, even when used in moderation, just to be sure.
Otherwise, don't waste too much money on tests, but then again they are cheaper than a liver transplant..

[dfresh]

Do bloodtests when you get weird symptoms or feel tired all day. I'd say always do liver tests after a period of orals, even when used in moderation, just to be sure.
Otherwise, don't waste too much money on tests, but then again they are cheaper than a liver transplant..

i hear you... i dont plan on really using orals too much if at all though

[OptimusPrime1980]

That's simply not true. I know many guys who used within limits and had serious health issues just from use of hormones within normal dosages.

who says they would not have these same health issues even if they hadn't touched steroids??

PEOPLE GET SICK!!  and some do not..... some smoke a pack a day and live to 90 in good health.... others never smoke and get lung cancer....
you have a doc here in this thread , he is saying to ALL of you to not be so PARANOIDE....  lol...

and what dr.Dutch said about orals is spot on..... i never use orals anymore... except proviron.... have not touched orals in years....
so please relaxe.....lol.... stress causes high bp, anxiety, cardio disease on it's own you know lol!!!

[dfresh]

who says they would not have these same health issues even if they hadn't touched steroids??

PEOPLE GET SICK!!  and some do not..... some smoke a pack a day and live to 90 in good health.... others never smoke and get lung cancer....
you have a doc here in this thread , he is saying to ALL of you to not be so PARANOIDE....  lol...

and what dr.Dutch said about orals is spot on..... i never use orals anymore... except proviron.... have not touched orals in years....
so please relaxe.....lol.... stress causes high bp, anxiety, cardio disease on it's own you know lol!!!

So in other words I dont have to worry about blood work as much as I do

[OptimusPrime1980]

So in other words I dont have to worry about blood work as much as I do

well , a doc here says to relax.... it's the other "experts" here that have you believe you are a ticking time bomb lol...
in most cases if you feel fine..... you are probably fine... the human body has ways of telling if there is something wrong.
get water retetntion under control and thickening of the blood.... and you'll be fine....

a rare thing, an honest doc.... we should be happy to have him on getbig.. 

so everybody... relax! breathe........ relax!!! breath...... lol....

[deceiver]

who says they would not have these same health issues even if they hadn't touched steroids??

PEOPLE GET SICK!!  and some do not..... some smoke a pack a day and live to 90 in good health.... others never smoke and get lung cancer....
you have a doc here in this thread , he is saying to ALL of you to not be so PARANOIDE....  lol...

and what dr.Dutch said about orals is spot on..... i never use orals anymore... except proviron.... have not touched orals in years....
so please relaxe.....lol.... stress causes high bp, anxiety, cardio disease on it's own you know lol!!!

Well if heart attack with no heart issues running in family is not obvious enough for you then I'm speachless. Some of you guys just decide to go "it won't happen to me" route, your choice. Please keep it to yourself because "he had dirty gear", "he would have same issues without steroids" and so on are pathetic excuses.

Some guys are less sensitive, some guys more. Even 100mg of prop eod can fuck you up.

[wes]

 

[OptimusPrime1980]

Well if heart attack with no heart issues running in family is not obvious enough for you then I'm speachless. Some of you guys just decide to go "it won't happen to me" route, your choice. Please keep it to yourself because "he had dirty gear", "he would have same issues without steroids" and so on are pathetic excuses.

Some guys are less sensitive, some guys more. Even 100mg of prop eod can fuck you up.

well, people get hartattacks for no reason at all , ALL the time....
some just drop dead .... healthy .... but drop dead.... most heavy juicers i know and knew are fine... ask wes .. he is our getbig dino.. ( i mean that in a good way , WES)
in general hart issues are very much a GENETIC problem

100 mg of Test prop eod will not fuck anybody up.... please man....
some may feel like shit and have some sides, but it will not fuck anybody up...
of all steroids test is least toxic and handled best by our bodies ... as it is naturally occuring...
you ARE being overly paranoide.....

just because you can not handle some pansy ass cycle , does not mean you set the standerd for humans in general

[dfresh]

everyone just take a deeeeeppp breath

OP and DOC i thank you for putting me at ease

[OptimusPrime1980]

everyone just take a deeeeeppp breath

OP and DOC i thank you for putting me at ease

just common sense bro....