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http://news.yahoo.com/obama-end-tax-breaks-big-oil-150646643.html


What a complete moron.  This lowers prices at the pump how ? ? ? ? ?  ?

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 09:28:48 AM »
It's not free market capitalist if you give them tax breaks.  That's corporate welfare.

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 09:32:04 AM »
It's not free market capitalist if you give them tax breaks.  That's corporate welfare.



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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 09:52:23 AM »
It's not free market capitalist if you give them tax breaks.  That's corporate welfare.



So tax breaks, subsidies and fast tracked loans straight from the White House are ok for green energy but you call it corporate welfare when it comes to oil?

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 09:54:02 AM »
It's not free market capitalist if you give them tax breaks.  That's corporate welfare.



Cutting taxes isn't "free market capitalist." Letting people keep more of their money is the same as giving a handout.  ???

This is the type of idiocy I'd expect to read about in Atlas Shrugged.

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2012, 09:56:30 AM »
It's not free market capitalist if you give them tax breaks.  That's corporate welfare.



So you're cool with ending all green energy subsidies then? Or is corporate welfare cool when it applies to something you like.


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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2012, 10:21:53 AM »
Senate defeats Dem measure to nix ‘Big Oil’ tax breaks, 51-47
The Hill ^ | 03/29/12 11:59 AM ET | Ben Geman and Andrew Restuccia




The Senate on Thursday thwarted Democratic plans to strip billions of dollars in tax breaks from the largest oil companies, just an hour or so after President Obama urged the chamber to kill off the deductions.

Lawmakers voted 51-47 to move forward with Sen. Robert Menendez’s (D-N.J.) bill. Sixty votes were needed to advance the measure.

Two Republicans — Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, both from Maine — crossed party lines and voted to repeal the tax breaks. Four Democrats — Sens. Mark Begich (Alaska), Mary Landrieu (La.), Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Jim Webb (Va.) — voted against the bill.

The outcome of the vote was not a surprise, given that a similar plan failed 52-48 last May. But the decision to take another shot at passing the bill— and the decision by the White House to wade into the fight — underscore the political salience of rising gasoline prices in an election year.

Obama has sought to deflect blame for high gas prices, in part by casting Republicans as allies of big oil companies. He used a Rose Garden speech to urge lawmakers to back the plan.


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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2012, 10:44:46 AM »
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Call me back when obama wants to get rid of all his green subsidies and bullshit.   

And if he does that too? what then? You are a free-market believer yet you want corporate welfare for oil companies.  ???
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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2012, 10:46:27 AM »
So you're cool with ending all green energy subsidies then? Or is corporate welfare cool when it applies to something you like.



Yep i think ending green subsidies will help that market.  Once oil rises more, greener forms of energy will become more attractive to investors.

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2012, 10:49:44 AM »
Cutting taxes isn't "free market capitalist." Letting people keep more of their money is the same as giving a handout.  ???

This is the type of idiocy I'd expect to read about in Atlas Shrugged.

it is when it is selectively applied. It skews markets does it not? Same with corn subsidies for ethanol.  It creates a market that is unsustainable without government assistance and provides an un-level playing field for substitutes.

Or did Ayn Rand not teach you that? Perhaps it was while she collected the same government "welfare" she hated so much.
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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2012, 01:06:19 PM »
Well, lets walk this back a bit.....

Which big oil tax subsidies/tax break/credits or whatever do you want to see dropped the most?

Many of them are the same any business, big or small, in the U.S. gets.

Where do we start?

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2012, 01:07:48 PM »
Well, lets walk this back a bit.....

Which big oil tax subsidies/tax break/credits or whatever do you want to see dropped the most?

Many of them are the same any business, big or small, in the U.S. gets.

Where do we start?

That's what cracks me up about the calls for removing those tax breaks. But do you really expect the MSM to actually educate the people calling for them? Of course not. It's all about enriching Obama's green cronies.

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2012, 01:19:42 PM »
That's what cracks me up about the calls for removing those tax breaks. But do you really expect the MSM to actually educate the people calling for them? Of course not. It's all about enriching Obama's green cronies.

That's why it can be a bit mystifying sometimes....and listen, I get what Kcballer is saying, I really do, but the whole "tax breaks" or "windfall tax" thing is a non-starter. The only way I would ever even THINK about backing something like that is if the funds went directly into a specified fun for R&D/Research Grants/Build-outs/etc and not into a general fund so it can be pissed away. That's it and that is one of my huge qualms with the call for "windfall taxes" and "millionaire surcharges" and other such schemes.

These big sweeping generalizations, which are often just misdirection and doublespeak, are like clockwork for the drooling public.

Oil is expensive because:

- Supply is flat while demand is rising.
- New oil discoveries require a higher price p/barrel to be feasible hence making a high price floor.
- Inflation caused by the Federal Reserve + decreased value/purchasing power of the dollar caused by the Federal Reserve. Both of which are done on purpose.
- Several nations are in production decline thus limiting the amount of net exports.


Speculation is a blip on the radar....it's the above 3 (in my opinion) that are causing this. Thing is, those aren't reversible, that's what makes Newt's $2.50 p/gallon or Bachmanns $2.00 p/gallon or even Dunce Palin proclamations about how she "knows" energy all the more hilarious and totally wrong.

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Re: Obama LMFAO of the day - "let's raise taxes on the oil companies"
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2012, 11:54:21 AM »
it is when it is selectively applied.

So if I take $10 from Paul but only take $5 from Johnny, then I'm subsidizing Johnny?  ??? ::)

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It skews markets does it not?

Yes, it does. But unfortunately for your argument, the definition of a subsidy is not "anything that skews markets."

But if that's really your argument, then fine. I'll propose a compromise: let's allow all companies to benefit from the tax breaks that oil companies get.

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Same with corn subsidies for ethanol.

Again, tax breaks are not subsidies. And regarding corn and ethanol, both are supported by the government either through direct payments or through government mandates. Those are subsidies!

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  It creates a market that is unsustainable without government assistance

Not necessarily.

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and provides an un-level playing field for substitutes.


True. So again, let's cut a deal: allow all businesses to benefit from the tax breaks that oil companies get.

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Or did Ayn Rand not teach you that?

Unlike you, I don't take my marching orders from any ideological godkings, like Barack Obama or MSNBC.

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Perhaps it was while she collected the same government "welfare" she hated so much.

She didn't collect welfare you dolt.