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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2012, 06:53:40 PM »

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2012, 10:33:28 PM »
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/31/MSNBC-Admits-Zimmerman-Head-Injury
Plain to see - he has a gash in his head. 

I guess when I see it that will prove he has a gash on this head


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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2012, 12:53:44 PM »
Theres a big article on NBC doing an investigation because they edited the 911 call to appear racist, when in fact the operator asked Zimmerman what color the kid was.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2012, 01:03:04 PM »
Today at 12:35

NBC to Internally Investigate Misleading Segment on Zimmerman 911

http://www.nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/nbc-investigating-segment-on-zimmerman-call.html?imw=Y


By Brett Smiley
 

Zimmerman.


 NBC disclosed today that it will be launching an internal investigation into a segment about the Trayvon Martin case that appeared on the Today show, in which a call between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher prior to Martin's death was edited in such a way that it portrays Zimmerman as a racial profiler. The editorial decision under review involves the removal of the dispatcher's inquiry about the race of the person Zimmerman was following — Martin. Absent that question, Zimmerman's comments get strung together as if he said, in sequence, "This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black."

The Washington Post provides the full transcript of that part of the call:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

Of course Zimmerman goes on to follow Martin against the advice of the dispatcher, but in this version of the call, it doesn't appear that he's awkwardly offering the information or in effect, profiling. Zimmerman still might have been, but the truncated call left much less doubt.

The Post's Erik Wemple writes that in a case where few facts are undisputed, it was particularly egregious to misrepresent one of them, the phone call. "To portray that exchange in a way that wrongs Zimmerman is high editorial malpractice well worthy of the investigation that NBC is now mounting."

Meanwhile New York Times media czar David Carr wrote a column today titled "A Shooting, And Instant Polarization," in which he similarly impugned some media coverage of this controversial case.

That the public is rendering its verdict immediately and firmly may be routine, but choosing sides takes on a deeper, more dangerous meaning when race is at the heart of the story. Race as an explosive issue is nothing new, but it’s been staggering to see it simmer and boil over in our hyperdivided media environment where nonstop coverage on the Web and cable television creates a rush to judgment every day.

Partisan politics and far-flung conflicts fit nicely into that world — who’s ahead, who’s behind, should we stay or go? — but racial conflict? Not so much.

That hasn’t stopped many in the media from displaying the same reflexive vigilantism that some are attributing to George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon. All over the Internet and on cable TV, posses are forming, positions are hardening and misinformation is flourishing. Instead of debating how we as a culture are going to proceed, an increasingly partisan system of news and social media has factionalized and curdled.

Carr and Wemple are not the only two to call out partisan media and media at large for mishandling coverage of the Martin case, or misrepresenting specific aspects of it. Nor are NBC or Business Insider (chastised by Carr for mishandling dubious photos) the only two to have erred in their coverage.

We'll end with an exchange from Something's Gotta Give, starring Jack Nicholson (Harry) and Diane Keaton (Erica):

Harry: I have never lied to you. I have always told you some version of the truth.
Erica Barry: The truth doesn't have versions, okay?



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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2012, 02:29:47 PM »
Theres a big article on NBC doing an investigation because they edited the 911 call to appear racist, when in fact the operator asked Zimmerman what color the kid was.

did the 911 Operator tell him to say the word "coon" too?


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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2012, 02:32:59 PM »
did the 911 Operator tell him to say the word "####" too?




So?   The only thing that matters is who initiated the physical confrontation.   If TM started it - game over Zimm walks.

If not - Zimm will get arrested.   


But so far Zimms story is holding up. 

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2012, 02:41:54 PM »
did the 911 Operator tell him to say the word "####" too?


What does that have to do with them editing it to make it sound like he was profiling the kid?
Besides, when I listened to the tape, sounded like "fucking punk" to me. You cant even make it out well enough to prove one way or the other.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2012, 02:50:38 PM »
Dude we know the story....

Thug black kid went out looking for a fight and knew that skittles and juice would do it.

Zimmerman was minding his own business just crusing around with a gun.... wasnt looking for trouble...

Black kid got what he asked for

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2012, 02:51:07 PM »
What does that have to do with them editing it to make it sound like he was profiling the kid?
Besides, when I listened to the tape, sounded like "fucking punk" to me. You cant even make it out well enough to prove one way or the other.

no, the editing thing is exusable but it sounded to me like he said coon

also interesting that the last thing he said Martin was doing was running away from him


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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2012, 02:53:20 PM »
Dude we know the story....

Thug black kid went out looking for a fight and knew that skittles and juice would do it.

Zimmerman was minding his own business just crusing around with a gun.... wasnt looking for trouble...

Black kid got what he asked for

So then it is like the dozens of other killings of blacks all across the coutry every week that "the community" doesnt say shit about? 

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2012, 02:53:39 PM »
Dude we know the story....

Thug black kid went out looking for a fight and knew that skittles and juice would do it.

Zimmerman was minding his own business just crusing around with a gun.... wasnt looking for trouble...

Black kid got what he asked for
Where the fuck do you get this?
I dont think Zimmerman is entirely innocent, not at all.
Its not one scenario or the other, the truth lies in the middle somewhere. The whole thing boils down to who physically attacked who 1st. Thats the whole deal. If Trayvon slugged Zimmerman 1st, than its self defense. If Zimmerman hit Trayvon 1st, then its a crime.
Why do you assume that if we dont want to turn Zimmerman into a cold blooded racist murderer, that somehow means that Trayvon was a "thug black kid looking for a fight"?

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2012, 02:55:42 PM »
We are still absent of very important facts some of which may never be known.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2012, 02:56:30 PM »
no, the editing thing is exusable but it sounded to me like he said ####

also interesting that the last thing he said Martin was doing was running away from him


Yeah I thought the same thing, at the end he said he doesnt know where the kid went. Thats what leads me to believe that he's (at least mostly) telling the truth - remember he said he was almost back at his truck when Trayvon confronted him and punched him.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2012, 03:06:58 PM »
Dude we know the story....

Thug black kid went out looking for a fight and knew that skittles and juice would do it.

Zimmerman was minding his own business just crusing around with a gun.... wasnt looking for trouble...

Black kid got what he asked for




Strange...

I thought the story was...

Innocent, gentle, honor roll making, African American went to buy some candy - probably for Grandma, after donating half his money to the March of Dimes.

Evil, racist, Half-White dude stalks him with a gun.

Evil, racist, Half-White dude murders kid.

Evil, racist, cops (and all the other racists in the investigation) cover for evil, racist, Half-White dude.

Half-White dude already looking for next innocent victim.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2012, 03:08:23 PM »



Strange...

I thought the story was...

Innocent, gentle, honor roll making, African American went to buy some candy - probably for Grandma, after donating half his money to the March of Dimes.

Evil, racist, Half-White dude stalks him with a gun.

Evil, racist, Half-White dude murders kid.

Evil, racist, cops (and all the other racists in the investigation) cover for evil, racist, Half-White dude.

Half-White dude already looking for next innocent victim.
Racist post reported.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2012, 03:08:28 PM »
I give up.


BF's right...I'm convinced it's all about pushing an agenda.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2012, 03:10:30 PM »
I give up.


BF's right...I'm convinced it's all about pushing an agenda.

That is what ALWAYS IS! 

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2012, 03:10:47 PM »
I give up.


BF's right...I'm convinced it's all about pushing an agenda.

At this point in this case yes.  Its a good set of circumstances for exploitation.

What appears to be a potential racists incident void of complete facts.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2012, 03:59:08 PM »
I give up.


BF's right...I'm convinced it's all about pushing an agenda.

I'm convinced it's about parents and a community being upset that an unarmed kid who was not committing any crime was gunned down and the killer is walking free


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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2012, 04:01:33 PM »
I'm convinced it's about parents and a community being upset that an unarmed kid who was not committing any crime was gunned down and the killer is walking free


You're right, assaulting someone because you didn't like him watching/following/calling.the cops on you is not a crime.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2012, 04:03:00 PM »
Yeah I thought the same thing, at the end he said he doesnt know where the kid went. Thats what leads me to believe that he's (at least mostly) telling the truth - remember he said he was almost back at his truck when Trayvon confronted him and punched him.

and that the part that makes  no sense

the last thing  on the 911 call is Martin running away and Zimmerman following him

According to Zimmerman he then walked back to his truck and we're supposed to believe that Martin then ran back up and attacked him......that doesn't make any sense to me and all we can rely on is a guy who could be facing murder charges if he stalked, attacked and then shot this kid

btw -  does anyone know how far away from his truck the shooting takes place
 

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2012, 04:05:34 PM »
You're right, assaulting someone because you didn't like him watching/following/calling.the cops on you is not a crime.

still not a shred of proof that that's what happened except for Zimmermans story

btw - you think Martin knew the Zimmerman was talking to the cops.  How would he have even know that?

stories in the MSM media today say it was Martin who was heard cyring for help (cries which stopped when he was shot)

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2012, 04:20:37 PM »
So then it is like the dozens of other killings of blacks all across the coutry every week that "the community" doesnt say shit about? 

how many times do you need this explained to you

the difference in those cases is that the killers weren't detained by police and then patted on the head and released without charges

if that happened in the other cases you would no doubt see the same outrage




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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2012, 04:25:32 PM »
still not a shred of proof that that's what happened except for Zimmermans story

btw - you think Martin knew the Zimmerman was talking to the cops.  How would he have even know that?

stories in the MSM media today say it was Martin who was heard cyring for help (cries which stopped when he was shot)
Youre right - except the neighbors eyewitness statments that Trayvon had him on his back, the fact that he had wounds on the back of his head, and the fact that all of that is consistent with his story.
I dont know if he knew he was talkign to the cops and it doesnt matter. What mattered was who attacked who - and the evidence points to TM attacking Zimmerman.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2012, 04:49:55 PM »
Youre right - except the neighbors eyewitness statments that Trayvon had him on his back, the fact that he had wounds on the back of his head, and the fact that all of that is consistent with his story.
I dont know if he knew he was talkign to the cops and it doesnt matter. What mattered was who attacked who - and the evidence points to TM attacking Zimmerman.

again - there is zero evidence of who attacked who

I haven't seen any statement from someone who witnessed that and even if it were true it doesn't constitute proof of who was the aggressor

We've already discussed the alleged injury to his head and that (IMO) doesn't proof anything either

probably no point in going over the same ground again