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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #875 on: October 23, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #876 on: October 23, 2012, 04:39:47 PM »
This is a huge swing.  I think a lot of people changed their "likeability" opinion after watching the debates. 


Debates deliver favorability edge to Romney; now above 50% in rating
The Washington Times
Tuesday, October 23, 2012

BOCA RATON, Fla. — Mitt Romney crossed a major threshold early this week, moving above 50 percent in his favorability rating with voters, according to the Real Clear Politics average of polls — and for the first time in the campaign he now leads President Obama on that measure.

The Republican presidential nominee has clearly benefited from the debates. He had a 44.5 percent favorability rating at the end of September, before the debates. But by Monday, when he and Mr. Obama faced off for the final debate of the campaign, Mr. Romney’s favorability average was up to 50.5 percent.

Tom Jensen, director of Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm, said Mr. Romney’s favorability surge “really has been remarkable.”

“It was inevitable that Republicans were going to warm up to him once he became their nominee, but ever since his big victory in the first debate, his numbers with independents have improved a good deal as well,” he said. “We’re actually finding in our national tracking now that Romney’s favorability numbers are better than Obama‘s, which no one could have imagined six months ago.”

Mike McKenna, a Republican pollster, said Mr. Romney used the three 90-minute debates this month, with the largest national audiences he’s ever had, to humanize himself for voters who’d only seen snapshots in campaign commercials. news accounts and negative ads from the Obama campaign.

Mr. McKenna said the Republican candidate’s performances punctured the Obama campaign’s effort to disqualify Mr. Romney in voters’ minds, through a bruising barrage of attack ads aimed at Hispanics, young adults and, chiefly, women voters.

“Six months of work and $400 million of ad buys went up in smoke in about 10 days,” Mr. McKenna said. “With less than 340 hours to go, they are having real trouble with their footing.”

With the presidential debates now behind him, Mr. Romney enters the final two-week stretch of the campaign having turned the election once again into a referendum on President Obama. His measured performance in Monday’s debate capped that off.

While pundits complained that he didn’t leave much daylight between himself and Mr. Obama on many issues, depriving them of the chance to compare and contrast policies, Republicans said Mr. Romney accomplished something deeper — he made himself a palatable alternative to Mr. Obama.

At one point he even swatted away an Obama attack by accusing the president of offering little else.

“Attacking me is not an agenda,” the Republican said.

At the end of Monday’s affair, Mr. Obama summed up the month’s debates by saying they framed the choice between the two candidates.

“You know, over the last four years, we’ve made real progress digging our way out of policies that gave us two prolonged wars, record deficits and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression,” he said. “And Governor Romney wants to take us back to those policies: a foreign policy that’s wrong and reckless; economic policies that won’t create jobs, won’t reduce our deficit, but will make sure that folks at the very top don’t have to play by the same rules that you do.”

In Monday’s foreign policy debate Mr. Romney hewed closely to the president’s approach when it came to action in Syria, Iran and Afghanistan. Indeed, at one point the president told Mr. Romney the only difference in their positions was “you’d say them louder.”

Instant polls showed Mr. Obama won the debate on points, and commentators on both sides of the aisle skewered Mr. Romney for failing to give a sense of what he’d do differently on world hotspots.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/23/debates-deliver-favorability-edge-romney/

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #877 on: October 23, 2012, 04:41:05 PM »
Good post, BB.

Biden certainly did not help in the regard  and Obama's behavior/tone/demeanor didn't help either.

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #878 on: October 23, 2012, 04:55:40 PM »
Good post, BB.

Biden certainly did not help in the regard  and Obama's behavior/tone/demeanor didn't help either.

Thanks. 

Agree about Biden and Obama.  They really came across as petty and disrespectful. 

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #879 on: October 23, 2012, 05:18:47 PM »
Thanks. 

Agree about Biden and Obama.  They really came across as petty and disrespectful. 
Are you outraged?

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #880 on: October 23, 2012, 05:35:37 PM »
Are you outraged?



No.  Are you a troll?  (Rhetorical question.)

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #881 on: October 23, 2012, 05:47:52 PM »
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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #883 on: October 23, 2012, 05:50:06 PM »
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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #884 on: October 23, 2012, 05:55:21 PM »
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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #885 on: October 23, 2012, 06:02:22 PM »
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The obama agenda, attack romney on big bird, binders, taxes, garbage men to deflect against its own horrible record...

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #886 on: October 24, 2012, 02:55:27 AM »
Thanks. 

Agree about Biden and Obama.  They really came across as petty and disrespectful. 


Romney/Ryan was lying through their teeth but you care more for the "tone"

You come across as stupid and uninformed

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #887 on: October 24, 2012, 07:17:21 AM »
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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #888 on: October 24, 2012, 07:18:29 AM »

Romney/Ryan was lying through their teeth but you care more for the "tone"

You come across as stupid and uninformed

"They" were?

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #889 on: October 24, 2012, 07:35:14 AM »

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #890 on: October 24, 2012, 01:15:20 PM »
Virginia Early Voting Tallies Show Trouble for Obama (Cook Political Report data)
 Dave Wasserman of Cook Political Report ^ | 10/24/12 | TonyInOhio

Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:05:44 PM


 Dave Wasserman is one of the head number crunchers at Cook Political Report, and he has been tweeting results from Virigina's early voting period. The numbers look good for Romney and very, very bad for Obama. Here are a several of his tweets with the raw data:

VIRGINIA EARLY VOTE: Up 18.8% in the 86 localities McCain won in '08, but up ONLY 4.4% in the 48 Obama won: http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/sbe_csv/STATS/

Overall, early vote up 9.4% across the board in VA vs this point in '08, but this 14% disparity very troubling #s for @BarackObama

3 of 4 top DECREASES in VA early voting vs '08: 1) Richmond City (-16.8%) 3) Arlington County (-14.0%) 4) Charlottesville City (-10.5%)

In VA's McCain localities, early vote = 95,744 (vs 80,881 at this pt in '08). VA's Obama localities = 152,084 (vs 145,673 in '08)

Huge drop-offs in Richmond, Arlington & C'ville indicative of understandable (yet troubling for Ds) decline in Af-Am, yuppie & college vote

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #891 on: October 24, 2012, 07:24:36 PM »
French Prime Minister: I want Obama to win
 The Local (France) ^ | 24 Oct 2012 17:48 GMT+02:00

Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:00:27 PM by DeaconBenjamin

French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault has broken with diplomatic protocol by openly expressing his hope that Barack Obama wins the upcoming US presidential election.

"If I was an American citizen I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Obama," he told a radio interviewer on Wednesday.

While it is hardly surprising that Ayrault, a Socialist, would support the Democrat candidate in a US election, prudence normally restricts politicians from making such remarks given the possibility they will end up having to deal with their Republican rivals.

Ayrault is not however the first French minister to offer public support for Obama in his neck-and-neck battle with Republican Mitt Romney.

On Tuesday, Bernard Cazeneuve, the European affairs minister, said: "As far as I'm concerned, I totally support it (Obama's re-election) and I would be astonished if the government had any other wish."

President François Hollande was less explicit when he was asked who he would support during a visit to New York at the end of last month, restricting himself to a rhetorical: "Who would you think?"

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #892 on: October 24, 2012, 07:54:42 PM »
Romney has never led in the RCP average in Ohio.   not yet.

if he wins ohio, he wins the election.  Lose ohio, he loses election.

it is as simple as that.  he will probably have FL.  But without OH, he loses.  WISC and IOWA and NH are gonna be obama states, and he's gonna steal penn, be real about it dude.

OHIO or bust.  that's it.  Romney needs it.

Not necessarily. Most recent polls have Romney up in NH (Obama's RCP average lead is under a point).

And he has a legitimate shot as Wisconsin.

If Romney gets those two states he can with without Ohio.

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #893 on: October 24, 2012, 11:15:02 PM »
obama back up to 60% on intrade as a result of the new polls


Repubs are going to be heartbroken if romney loses, seriously.

Every dem I know is saying "obama might lose bro".
Every repub i know is saying "Romney IS going to win!"

Just as Obama peaked before the debates, it seems like ROmney might be peaking just a week too early.

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #894 on: October 24, 2012, 11:52:48 PM »
obama back up to 60% on intrade as a result of the new polls


Repubs are going to be heartbroken if romney loses, seriously.

Every dem I know is saying "obama might lose bro".
Every repub i know is saying "Romney IS going to win!"

Just as Obama peaked before the debates, it seems like ROmney might be peaking just a week too early.

Although these polls may predict how people are voting, they say nothing about how much these people actually understand about how things work. For example, people blaming Obama for the poor economy is completely absurd. The economy tanked before Obama took office. Blame the Bush administration for this, if you must blame government. If people really thought the economy would recover in four years, this just goes to show how far their heads are up their asses.

After the great depression, which officially began with the stock market crash in 1929, it took more than 10 years for the economy to recover. Even then, the economy did not fully bounce back until WWII broke out. The stock market didn't recover till the 1950's. Many people lost their jobs during the Great Depression and NEVER GOT THEM BACK. During the Great Depression, the country was hit with an extremely large unemployment rate. By 1933, the unemployment rate had climbed from 3% to 25%. By 1932, over 13 million Americans had lost their jobs. On December 7 1941, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. The United States responded by borrowing over 1 billion dollars to build up its military. As a result, U.S. manufacturing jumps by 50%. In 1939, the GDP had started to grow again and the unemployment rate was falling. In 1939, the unemployment rates were at 17.2%. By 1942, the unemployment rate was under 5%.

So here we are with the next biggest economic bust since the Great Depression and people are blaming an administration/President which has only been in office for 4 years because it has not yet recovered. Get real folks! Put that in your polls and smoke it.

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #895 on: October 25, 2012, 12:03:40 AM »
the road to 269 electoral votes (and letting the congress house determine the winner) might be mitt's way to go.

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #896 on: October 25, 2012, 02:37:22 AM »
Although these polls may predict how people are voting, they say nothing about how much these people actually understand about how things work. For example, people blaming Obama for the poor economy is completely absurd. The economy tanked before Obama took office. Blame the Bush administration for this, if you must blame government. If people really thought the economy would recover in four years, this just goes to show how far their heads are up their asses.

After the great depression, which officially began with the stock market crash in 1929, it took more than 10 years for the economy to recover. Even then, the economy did not fully bounce back until WWII broke out. The stock market didn't recover till the 1950's. Many people lost their jobs during the Great Depression and NEVER GOT THEM BACK. During the Great Depression, the country was hit with an extremely large unemployment rate. By 1933, the unemployment rate had climbed from 3% to 25%. By 1932, over 13 million Americans had lost their jobs. On December 7 1941, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. The United States responded by borrowing over 1 billion dollars to build up its military. As a result, U.S. manufacturing jumps by 50%. In 1939, the GDP had started to grow again and the unemployment rate was falling. In 1939, the unemployment rates were at 17.2%. By 1942, the unemployment rate was under 5%.

So here we are with the next biggest economic bust since the Great Depression and people are blaming an administration/President which has only been in office for 4 years because it has not yet recovered. Get real folks! Put that in your polls and smoke it.

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Re: Obama vs Romney
« Reply #897 on: October 25, 2012, 06:55:32 AM »
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Re: Obama vs Romney
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Re: Obama vs Romney
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