Will his Mormon beliefs hurt Romney?

[Butterbean]

Romney seems likely to be the GOP candidate.

Do you guys think his Mormon beliefs will hurt him in the Presidential Campaign? 

Will Christianity vs Mormonism become a relevant issue?

[Straw Man]

Romney seems likely to be the GOP candidate.

Do you guys think his Mormon beliefs will hurt him in the Presidential Campaign? 

Will Christianity vs Mormonism become a relevant issue?

maybe for some christians but I doubt for most people and certainly atheists woudn't give a shit whether he's a Mormon, Christian, Snake Handler, etc...

the problem for Romney is that he has no core beliefs.   He's been on all sides of every issue and sometimes within the same day

his other problem is that he just seems uncomfortable in his own skin and people pick up on that

[Soul Crusher]

maybe for some christians but I doubt for most people and certainly atheists woudn't give a shit whether he's a Mormon, Christian, Snake Handler, etc...

the problem for Romney is that he has no core beliefs.   He's been on all sides of every issue and sometimes within the same day

his other problem is that he just seems uncomfortable in his own skin and people pick up on that

What are obamas beliefs? 

Individual Mandate anyone? 

[LurkerNoMore]

Wow.  I thought this thread was about Romney.

 

[Straw Man]

What are obamas beliefs? 

Individual Mandate anyone? 

you're aware that the mandate was a Republicand idea from the 1990's right?

There are all kinds of videos of Repubs back them talking about how much they loved the idea

Back that it was a republican mantra that their idea of a mandate was all about "personal responsibility"

Somehow Repubs understood back then how insurance worked


Regarding Obama - have you really forgotten his beliefs

what happened to him wanting to "collapse" the nation to get revenge for his father and turning this country into a communist state

Isn't that still his platform in  2012?

[LurkerNoMore]

you're aware that the mandate was a Republicand idea from the 1990's right?

There are all kinds of videos of Repubs back them talking about how much they loved the idea

Back that it was a republican mantra that their idea of a mandate was all about "personal responsibility"

Somehow Repubs understood back then how insurance worked


Regarding Obama - have you really forgotten his beliefs

what happened to him wanting to "collapse" the nation to get revenge for his father and turning this country into a communist state

Isn't that still his platform in  2012?

Didn't you hear?  He isn't running.  He is seeking a pardon.  So he can step down before the unemployed doctors start burning cities across the country when The Globe releases their BC evidence.

 

[Soul Crusher]

Didn't you hear?  He isn't running.  He is seeking a pardon.  So he can step down before the unemployed doctors start burning cities across the country when The Globe releases their BC evidence.

 

Romney sucks, but at least there is a slim chance he could be ok. 

With slumbama - we know 100% of the time he is a disaster.   

[LurkerNoMore]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said and you quoted.

When do the cities start getting torched?   When does Obama resign?

[Dos Equis]

I don't think so.  I think Obama has been such a disappointment that the focus will be more on his record and the state of the economy.  I don't see Republicans or independents voting for Obama based on Romney's faith in significant enough numbers to impact the election. 

[Hugo Chavez]

What are obamas beliefs? 

Individual Mandate anyone? 

The question was not about Obama, it was asking if Romney's mormon background will hurt him.

[Soul Crusher]

 .  Rev wright ok but mormon not ok?   

[Hugo Chavez]

.  Rev wright ok but mormon not ok?   

You're talking about hypocrisy of someone who would be ok with Wright but have issues with mormons.  Not sure what that has to do with butterbean's question.  I know there are never enough threads devoted to Obama for you but maybe at least directly answer the question before attempting to derail the thread.

[Shockwave]

I dont think he's being Mormon is going to have any effect on his chances.

[Skip8282]

Doubt his beliefs will have any effect.

[w8m8]

Romney seems likely to be the GOP candidate.

Do you guys think his Mormon beliefs will hurt him in the Presidential Campaign?  

Will Christianity vs Mormonism become a relevant issue?

"I" think his mormonism will help him garner votes ... there are a lot of mormons and they are loyal to their own

Christianity vs. Mormonism won't be an issue that I can see happening ... the mormons I know believe they are Christian

Christianity vs. Mormonism is a silly argument in my eyes

[Soul Crusher]

Its Communism vs. Capitalism in November - nothing else. 

[dario73]

you're aware that the mandate was a Republicand idea from the 1990's right?

There are all kinds of videos of Repubs back them talking about how much they loved the idea

Back that it was a republican mantra that their idea of a mandate was all about "personal responsibility"

Somehow Repubs understood back then how insurance worked

In 1993, that was only ONE, only ONE plan of many that was created by Republicans to prevent Hillarycare from becoming law. Hillarycare as it was constituted was worse than even a mandate. Also, it was A TAX, not a PENALTY as the current Obamacare. That is a BIG difference. It may not seem to you as much of a factor, but that trigger is what might cause the Supreme Court to throw it out.

Either way, it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Obviously, Democrats knew that. Which is why THEY BLOCKED THAT REPUBLICAN PLAN.

If it was considered such a terrible idea by Democrats in 1993, why did they bring it back? Why support it now and ram it through in 2010, when in 1993 Democrats opposed it?

Seems like Democrats forgot how insurance works and became even dumber.

[dario73]

Back to the topic.

His Mormon beliefs will not hurt him. But there are a few nitwitted christians, who despise Mormons so much, that they will vote for Obama instead of Romney.

[Fury]

Gallup polling has shown that bigoted Dems have more of a problem with his Mormonism than Repubs.

[Straw Man]

In 1993, that was only ONE, only ONE plan of many that was created by Republicans to prevent Hillarycare from becoming law. Hillarycare as it was constituted was worse than even a mandate. Also, it was A TAX, not a PENALTY as the current Obamacare. That is a BIG difference. It may not seem to you as much of a factor, but that trigger is what might cause the Supreme Court to throw it out.

Either way, it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Obviously, Democrats knew that. Which is why THEY BLOCKED THAT REPUBLICAN PLAN.

If it was considered such a terrible idea by Democrats in 1993, why did they bring it back? Why support it now and ram it through in 2010, when in 1993 Democrats opposed it?

Seems like Democrats forgot how insurance works and became even dumber.

actually many more than one Republican plan included the individual mandate and the Heritage Foundation was even promoting a plan with it as early as 1989 (well before Hillarycare_)

you're saying Dems blocked the Repub plan because as you wrote "they knew it was wrong" or was it perhaps just due to politics like everything else that happens in DC ?

does it change the fact that it was wholly a Republican idea that had wide support from their party at the time including the Heritage Foundation (which actually proposed the idea of an individual mandate as early as 1989)
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

Repubs considered it such a terrible idea that Romney went on to use it in his health plan, Gingrich is on the record supporting it as recently as 2008 and Repubs were still supporting it right up until the time that Dems got on board and then all of a sudden it was a slippery slope towards communism

[dario73]

actually many more than one Republican plan included the individual mandate and the Heritage Foundation was even promoting a plan with it as early as 1989 (well before Hillarycare_)

you're saying Dems blocked the Repub plan because as you wrote "they knew it was wrong" or was it perhaps just due to politics like everything else that happens in DC ?

does it change the fact that it was wholly a Republican idea that had wide support from their party at the time including the Heritage Foundation (which actually proposed the idea of an individual mandate as early as 1989)
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

Repubs considered it such a terrible idea that Romney went on to use it in his health plan, Gingrich is on the record supporting it as recently as 2008 and Repubs were still supporting it right up until the time that Dems got on board and then all of a sudden it was a slippery slope towards communism

Whether they knew it was wrong or just playing politics, they still went AGAINST the mandate.

And it still stands that it was ONE plan OUT OF MANY. IT WAS NOT UNIVERSALLY ENDORSED as you implied in your first post when you generalized it by accusing the entire party of flip flopping.

Obama stated during his campaign in 2008 that such mandate requiring citizens to buy health care would be unconstitutional. What changed since then?

NOW AGAIN. Flip flopping, political or not, goes both ways. Both parties are guilty. Yet you only call out the GOP. Mighty objective of you.

The Dems opposed the MANDATE in 1993, why are they supporting it now?

[w8m8]

Gallup polling has shown that bigoted Dems have more of a problem with his Mormonism than Repubs.

How/why do they assume his religious background and beliefs will affect our country if he is elected ? Do they explain their opinions ?

[Fury]

How/why do they assume his religious background and beliefs will affect our country if he is elected ? Do they explain their opinions ?

It just polls whether they'd be willing to vote for a Mormon. It doesn't delve into why they wouldn't.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148100/Hesitant-Support-Mormon-2012.aspx

[Straw Man]

Whether they knew it was wrong or just playing politics, they still went AGAINST the mandate.

And it still stands that it was ONE plan OUT OF MANY. IT WAS NOT UNIVERSALLY ENDORSED as you implied in your first post when you generalized it by accusing the entire party of flip flopping.

Obama stated during his campaign in 2008 that such mandate requiring citizens to buy health care would be unconstitutional. What changed since then?

NOW AGAIN. Flip flopping, political or not, goes both ways. Both parties are guilty. Yet you only call out the GOP. Mighty objective of you.

The Dems opposed the MANDATE in 1993, why are they supporting it now?

the mandate was broadly if not universally endorsed by Repubs and the mandate was not part of one plan but included in many plans by Repubs (I already gave you the link to the mulitple Republican plans that included itand even one version of a plant endorsed by Hilary.   

Repubs were supporting it as recently as 2008

Why don't Repubs support their own idea now?

Simple - because as soon as Obam was on board they were auotmatically opposed and my belief on why is because Repubs will always put their party before the country and they couldn't allow Obama to have a victory even if it meant denying their own ideas.   They did this on many things, not just the mandate.   They opposed legistlation they they themselves sponsored

btw - there is lot's of info on the web about this from the early 1990's.   I'm fine with going over it all if you want