Creatine - What is GetBig's opinion on it?

[abijahmaniaco]

Your argument sucks dick. Kai is a drug lab, anyone on drugs can lift light weights and still get huge. Nothing matters while your on drugs...

lol that's my entire point. it's all drugs bro.

Gaining strength is very important if you want to get bigger none the less.

notice this contradicts your previous sentence...

[randy841]

Look Randy good fellow.

I wrote a two sentence summary of the relative merits of creatine, where as you had a 5000 word meltdown over it. For it's price and potency in comparison to alternatives it's pretty much useless.

If you wish to believe otherwise then go ahead.

You are being a real bitch over this.

Sometimes it takes 5000 words - even 10000 words to explain things to dumb witted fellows like you. You are a special case, and deserve special attention.

And what alternative? We are simply comparing the efficacy of creatine among users, not against your low dosed gear.

[abijahmaniaco]

Sometimes it takes 5000 words - even 10000 words to explain things to dumb witted fellows like you. You are a special case, and deserve special attention.

And what alternative? We are simply comparing the efficacy of creatine among users, not against your low dosed gear.

it's not gonna make you get big. and that's what this place is about. end of thread.

[True]

lol that's my entire point. it's all drugs bro.

notice this contradicts your previous sentence...

Yes it may seem that way, but what I ment was, for naturals especially, gaining strength is a must for making decent progress in the gym. Juicers dont need to rely on strength as much as naturals, but of course it would make logical sense that they benefit from it as well. They can just get more away with it by lifting lighter compared to a natural.

[ChristopherA]

Look Randy good fellow.

I wrote a two sentence summary of the relative merits of creatine, where as you had a 5000 word meltdown over it. For it's price and potency in comparison to alternatives it's pretty much useless.

If you wish to believe otherwise then go ahead.

You are being a real bitch over this.

Set these bitches straight Jaime. All he's saying is in the grand scheme and for the money, it's a waist. And he's right. I wish someone set me straight when I thought my creatine/glutamine/ZMA stack was gonna get me jacked! Although to be fair my genetics are so awesome I really could gain from that stuff.  So unless your genetic elite, don't bother with creatine

[deadpan]

Set these bitches straight Jaime. All he's saying is in the grand scheme and for the money, it's a waist. And he's right. I wish someone set me straight when I thought my creatine/glutamine/ZMA stack was gonna get me jacked! Although to be fair my genetics are so awesome I really could gain from that stuff.   So unless your genetic elite, don't bother with creatine

it works fine for what it is, and it's cheap as shit like 10 bukcs a mo avg, and you can take it without fucking up your HPTA, closing your growth plates and other nasty ass sides. not every 15 year old wanting to get abs for dem bishes needs to be hopped up on juice. if i started gear at the same time as i started working out i'd be like 5'6 instead of 6'3"

i don't get why people here don't understand the merits of learning your body, learning about nutrition and working out and building a solid strength foundation rather than just drugging their brains out till they develop palumbo gut. not everyone that exercises is a 20-something shmoe with no prospects other than being the local freakshow.

[Your Average GymRat]

Creapure Creatine Monohydrate
Tribulus (Tribex or Tribestan)
HMB

Add a good whey protein powder and work out hard. You'll get 80% of steroid results and you won't be walking around with thin, wispy, combed over balding hair; shrunken nuts and backne.

[bigdelts]

what's your opinion of tribulus terrestris?
Steroid or not?
works or not?

[Your Average GymRat]

what's your opinion of tribulus terrestris?
Steroid or not?
works or not?

Not a steroid. It's a test booster. You have to get the Bulgarian.

[deadpan]

Not a steroid. It's a test booster. You have to get the Bulgarian.

i've heard tribulus is useless, could you expound on this "bulgarian" a bit?

[abijahmaniaco]

Yes it may seem that way, but what I ment was, for naturals especially, gaining strength is a must for making decent progress in the gym. Juicers dont need to rely on strength as much as naturals, but of course it would make logical sense that they benefit from it as well. They can just get more away with it by lifting lighter compared to a natural.

ok ok it may improve strength some initially FOR NATURAL. but so what? you will be able to bench this or that? your guy friends who you work out with might be impressed a little. that doesn't mean the muscle is there. that doesn't mean you look a bodybuilder. that doesn't mean women will notice you. doesn't mean shit. useless.

and doesn't matter how a juicer lifts. as long as he stimulates the muscle.

[Tito24]

tribulis is fucking useless, i can say creatine works , your training goes more smooth but thats about it.

[True]

ok ok it may improve strength some initially FOR NATURAL. but so what? you will be able to bench this or that? your guy friends who you work out with might be impressed a little. that doesn't mean the muscle is there. that doesn't mean you look a bodybuilder. that doesn't mean women will notice you. doesn't mean shit. useless.

and doesn't matter how a juicer lifts. as long as he stimulates the muscle.

Its not uselsess, as a natural you get your hands on whatever supplement that works and make the best out of it. You dont NEED proteinpowder either, but you use it to maximize/optimize your gains - simple as that!

[deadpan]

Its not uselsess, as a natural you get your hands on whatever supplement that works and make the best out of it. You dont NEED proteinpowder either, but you use it to maximize/optimize your gains - simple as that!

my personal theory regarding juicers and why they lose so much mass when going off, is because the mass isn't really mass.

we all know about sarcoplasmic vs myfibrillar hypertrophy, i feel like if you juice your brains out and just lift for moderate reps, well sure you're getting a lot of sarcoplasmic tissue but it's not permanent, you're not making the CNS and nerve adaptations so when you go off it just disappears....they body doesn't like massive growth in short periods of time it prefers homeostasis and SLOW adaptations.

although with new peptides being release like HIFs and VEGFs, and NGFs we could trick the body into making more solid muscle, basically like strength training in a vial, though you would still have the issue of the bones and tendons not strengthening. i know when they use electroshock stimulation on lab rats to grow muscle there is still the issue of tendons not strengthening. same with gear, that's why there's so many injuries, muscle and strength blows up but tendons stay the same. of course you can mitigate that with deca though. 


sorry if im rambling the idea of "controlled evolution" so to speak is one of great interest to me. 

[abijahmaniaco]

my personal theory regarding juicers and why they lose so much mass when going off, is because the mass isn't really mass.

oh my god you're a fucking retard.





the muscle is lost bc the hormone levels no longer match the level of muscularity.

[deadpan]

oh my god you're a fucking retard.


the muscle is lost bc the hormone levels no longer match the level of muscularity.

ok i might not have phrased it the best way.

but there's MUCH more to it than just hormone levels. nerve growth, CNS adaptation, activity levels of that muscle, vein growth, etc. of course if the driving force behind your muscle growth is massive amounts of hormones, then you will lose it once those hormones disappear.


try reading some anatomy journals it's good for you.  

i know lots of guys that kept a lot of their mass while being off aas for a month or two, obviously we're not talking ifbb size but still pretty big.

yeah yeah i know, liar filts trenbolona insulina ghona etc etc

[abijahmaniaco]

my personal theory regarding juicers and why they lose so much mass when going off, is because the mass isn't really mass.

we all know about sarcoplasmic vs myfibrillar hypertrophy, i feel like if you juice your brains out and just lift for moderate reps, well sure you're getting a lot of sarcoplasmic tissue but it's not permanent, you're not making the CNS and nerve adaptations so when you go off it just disappears....they body doesn't like massive growth in short periods of time it prefers homeostasis and SLOW adaptations.

although with new peptides being release like HIFs and VEGFs, and NGFs we could trick the body into making more solid muscle, basically like strength training in a vial, though you would still have the issue of the bones and tendons not strengthening. i know when they use electroshock stimulation on lab rats to grow muscle there is still the issue of tendons not strengthening. same with gear, that's why there's so many injuries, muscle and strength blows up but tendons stay the same. of course you can mitigate that with deca though. 


sorry if im rambling the idea of "controlled evolution" so to speak is one of great interest to me. 

aside from your theory in the first line, i have to admit i'm impressed by your ambition to do your homework. not typical generation nothingness haphazardly hopping on whatever hormones you can get your hands on. good for you.

[deadpan]

aside from your theory in the first line, i have to admit i'm impressed by your ambition to do your homework. not typical generation nothingness haphazardly hopping on whatever hormones you can get your hands on. good for you.

yes! that is all i was trying to say basically, get your money's worth out of your body and your gear

[hench]

I've just finished a two week experiment and taken creatine monohydrate from prolab.
 I believe I got a pump easier from my workouts and that they stayed a bit longer. (maybe that was just in my head?) But as far as muscle and weight gain I saw nothing and I actually even dropped a pound.
Not worth taking just for better pumps.

[The Onion]

I've just finished a two week experiment and taken creatine monohydrate from prolab.
 I believe I got a pump easier from my workouts and that they stayed a bit longer. (maybe that was just in my head?) But as far as muscle and weight gain I saw nothing and I actually even dropped a pound.
Not worth taking just for better pumps.

Are you in good shape (no homo)? Did you notice any water retention?

I'm thinking of dropping the creatine if it means less water retention.

Anyone had any success using potassium to tighten up?

Edit. I guess you didn't gain much fluid if you dropped a pound of bodyweight...

[hench]

certainly not in bad shape, I noticed no visible difference atall, no bloat, nothing! Funny thing is I actually felt bigger, more pumped and heavier, it must have been purely psychological.   

Are you in good shape (no homo)? Did you notice any water retention?

I'm thinking of dropping the creatine if it means less water retention.

Anyone had any success using potassium to tighten up?

Edit. I guess you didn't gain much fluid if you dropped a pound of bodyweight...

[Grape Ape]

Why all the comments about "for the money" in terms of creatine?  It costs very little.

[dj181]

certainly not in bad shape, I noticed no visible difference atall, no bloat, nothing! Funny thing is I actually felt bigger, more pumped and heavier, it must have been purely psychological.   

ok, you said that you ended up losing one pound on the scale, but did your body comp change?

maybe you gained muscle while losing fat at the same time

[hench]

possible, I did actually think the other day my pecs feel denser and harder but that could have been because I changed up my pec routine slightly and not to do with the creatine....

ok, you said that you ended up losing one pound on the scale, but did your body comp change?

maybe you gained muscle while losing fat at the same time

[The Onion]

certainly not in bad shape, I noticed no visible difference atall, no bloat, nothing! Funny thing is I actually felt bigger, more pumped and heavier, it must have been purely psychological.   

I see, thanks for your input! Guess I'll continue taking the stuff... at least until the tub is empty. 


Just to make this post a bit more interesting...

"In conclusion, the present study demonstrates for the first time that creatine supplementation in combination with strength training amplifies the training-induced increase in satellite cell number and myonuclei concentration in human skeletal muscle fibres, thereby allowing an enhanced muscle fibre growth in response to strength training." - http://jp.physoc.org/content/573/2/525.abstract