Jan Brewer signs abortion ban defining pregnancy before conception

[blacken700]

Source: Raw Story

Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Thursday signed one of the most controversial and restrictive abortion bans in the country, which experts say effectively bans abortions after 18 weeks and declares that a woman could be pregnant 2 weeks before she even had sex.

“This legislation is consistent with my strong track record of supporting common sense measures to protect the health of women and safeguard our most vulnerable population – the unborn,” a statement from the governor’s office said.

“Knowing that abortions become riskier the later they are performed in pregnancy, it only makes sense to prohibit these procedures past 20 weeks,” Brewer insisted.

Arizona’s HB 2036 takes Nebraska’s 20-week abortion ban one step further by starting the clock on pregnancies at the woman’s last last menstrual period, which could be two weeks before fertilization.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/13/jan-brewer-signs-abortion-ban-defining-pregnancy-before-conception/

[240 is Back]

lol @ dudes legally impregnating women they haven't even met yet

[blacken700]

only from the minds of the right 

[Shockwave]

Im confused... from what I read it says theyre banned past 18 weeks, or 4 and a half months... How is this a "ban on abortion", and how does that define a pregnancy occuring 2 weeks prior to sex?

[Hugo Chavez]

how does that define a pregnancy occuring 2 weeks prior to sex?

"Arizona’s HB 2036 takes Nebraska’s 20-week abortion ban one step further by starting the clock on pregnancies at the woman’s last last menstrual period, which could be two weeks before fertilization."

[Shockwave]

"Arizona’s HB 2036 takes Nebraska’s 20-week abortion ban one step further by starting the clock on pregnancies at the woman’s last last menstrual period, which could be two weeks before fertilization."

Ah. Yeah, thats when they define the pregnancy as starting at most places (we just found out my wifes pregnant).
Everywhere doc we go to, they define the begining of the pregnancy as being the end of her last period. (Weve been doc shopping trying to find a good one for the pregnancy).
So from that angle, that makes sense, because thats how the doctors define it. How else are they going to know for sure when the pregnancy started?

[tonymctones]

I was going to ask how the normally determine the age of a pregnancy in weeks.

If this is how it is done now then what are you bitching about blackass/350?

[Hugo Chavez]

looks like you're right.  I don't remember the doctor telling us this when we had ours.  Or maybe I didn't listen lol...

"Doctors count the length of a pregnancy as 280 days, which equals 40 weeks or 10 months. Why not nine months? The counting begins with the first day of your last normal menstrual period before you got pregnant. In other words, the counting begins about two weeks before you have even conceived."
http://www.justmommies.com/articles/conception-date.shtml

[tonymctones]

blackass, 180 any comments?

[Soul Crusher]

Ah. Yeah, thats when they define the pregnancy as starting at most places (we just found out my wifes pregnant).
Everywhere doc we go to, they define the begining of the pregnancy as being the end of her last period. (Weve been doc shopping trying to find a good one for the pregnancy).
So from that angle, that makes sense, because thats how the doctors define it. How else are they going to know for sure when the pregnancy started?

Congrats dude!!!

[Hugo Chavez]

yea, congrats Shockwave.

[tonymctones]

Indeed, congrats broham

[tonymctones]

just more fake outrage from the right

bump for blackass and 150...

[blacken700]

the difference i'm not outraged i think it's funny as shit you guys defend this. that's what i want to see and you didn't disappoint

[Shockwave]

Thanks guys. Im still in shock, lol.

[tonymctones]

the difference i'm not outraged i think it's funny as shit you guys defend this. that's what i want to see and you didn't disappoint

LMFAO defend what? the way things were done before this bill was passed?

what a fucking tool hahahhahaa

[blacken700]

really didn't think you would be shocked,fact of the matter is i think most here on the right pretty much think like jan brewer  

[Shockwave]

really didn't think you would be shocked,fact of the matter is i think most here on the right pretty much think like jan brewer  

Well its how the doctors define a pregnancy starting, so that makes sense to me. The ban on abortion is questionable. I usually err on the side of personal choice so I dont really agree with any ban on abortion. 
As far as the defining conception, she just went with how doctors do it. If there is a better way, im all ears.

[tonymctones]

really didn't think you would be shocked,fact of the matter is i think most here on the right pretty much think like jan brewer 

shocked at what, them defining pregnancy as beginning when everyone else does it? hahahha this is priceless

[blacken700]

Guttmacher Institute’s State Issues Manager Elizabeth Nash recently told Raw Story that obstetricians start the clock on pregnancies after the “last menstrual period” to “be on the safe side.”

“Certainly, they are trying move the gestational cutoff from what had been over the last two years a 20-week gestational cutoff to an 18-week gestational cutoff,” Nash explained. “At the same time, they are trying to say, ‘Oh, this is a 20-week abortion ban.’ And they get away with that with the definition of gestational age that’s in the bill.”

Even experts who do not disagree with dating pregnancies from the last menstrual period, think that 18 weeks (or 20 weeks gestational age) is far too restrictive.

“Imposing gestational age limits is wrong,” Dr. Jennifer Gutner, who is an OB/GYN, recently wrote, referring to a similar bill in Georgia. “There are unfortunate circumstances where lethal or very severe anomalies are not detected until the 3rd trimester. I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to tell a woman who is pregnant with a baby who has no brain and a single eye like a cyclops that she has to go to term.”

the repubs think it's their place 

[Shockwave]

Guttmacher Institute’s State Issues Manager Elizabeth Nash recently told Raw Story that obstetricians start the clock on pregnancies after the “last menstrual period” to “be on the safe side.”

“Certainly, they are trying move the gestational cutoff from what had been over the last two years a 20-week gestational cutoff to an 18-week gestational cutoff,” Nash explained. “At the same time, they are trying to say, ‘Oh, this is a 20-week abortion ban.’ And they get away with that with the definition of gestational age that’s in the bill.”

Even experts who do not disagree with dating pregnancies from the last menstrual period, think that 18 weeks (or 20 weeks gestational age) is far too restrictive.

“Imposing gestational age limits is wrong,” Dr. Jennifer Gutner, who is an OB/GYN, recently wrote, referring to a similar bill in Georgia. “There are unfortunate circumstances where lethal or very severe anomalies are not detected until the 3rd trimester. I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to tell a woman who is pregnant with a baby who has no brain and a single eye like a cyclops that she has to go to term.”

the repubs think it's their place 

And theyre idiots as well as any politician that feels its their jobs to dictate how people live their lives and what choices theyre allowed to make.
I think 3rd trimester abortions should be limited to possible complications or defects, I dont think that people should be able wait right up until the do date to terminate their pregnancy, but its fucking wrong for them to try and say the woman doesnt have a choice, especially when it comes to rape, incest, complications of the pregnancy, and other things of that nature.
I dont understand why people have such a hard time compromising and finding a middle ground.

[tonymctones]

Guttmacher Institute’s State Issues Manager Elizabeth Nash recently told Raw Story that obstetricians start the clock on pregnancies after the “last menstrual period” to “be on the safe side.”

“Certainly, they are trying move the gestational cutoff from what had been over the last two years a 20-week gestational cutoff to an 18-week gestational cutoff,” Nash explained. “At the same time, they are trying to say, ‘Oh, this is a 20-week abortion ban.’ And they get away with that with the definition of gestational age that’s in the bill.”

Even experts who do not disagree with dating pregnancies from the last menstrual period, think that 18 weeks (or 20 weeks gestational age) is far too restrictive.

“Imposing gestational age limits is wrong,” Dr. Jennifer Gutner, who is an OB/GYN, recently wrote, referring to a similar bill in Georgia. “There are unfortunate circumstances where lethal or very severe anomalies are not detected until the 3rd trimester. I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to tell a woman who is pregnant with a baby who has no brain and a single eye like a cyclops that she has to go to term.”

the repubs think it's their place 

The question is why you put it on Jan Brewer when this is the way its been done?

The answer is b/c you didnt know, you just swallowed whatever media matters/MSNBC/whatever left wing rag site said and ran with it only to hang yourself like the moron you are...hahahah

oh this is good stuff for a sunday funday

[blacken700]

The question is why you put it on Jan Brewer when this is the way its been done?

The answer is b/c you didnt know, you just swallowed whatever media matters/MSNBC/whatever left wing rag site said and ran with it only to hang yourself like the moron you are...hahahah

oh this is good stuff for a sunday funday

like i said you and her think alike  , oh and that left wing rag fox news is covering the same thing    tony or tom ,which ever one i'm talking to

[tonymctones]

like i said you and her think alike  , oh and that left wing rag fox news is covering the same thing    tony or tom ,which ever one i'm talking to

and the vast majority of doctors as well, hahahaha what a moron LMFAO this good stuff blacken thanks buddy

[blacken700]

the vast majority of doctors think like her         post the link , you can't just 333386 this