Roulette - has anyone cracked the code?

[randy841]

If any vendor is selling a so called 'tested and proven system' - run the other way, as fast as you can. Save your thousand dollars or whatever it costs and try your own approach. If you are failing on paper, you will never pass in the real world. Furthermore, if the system was that good, they wouldn't be selling it.

I work in finance and play on the biggest casino in the world for nearly a decade, and have seen it all. We use various quant methods with in house black-box systems. These systems are not fail safe, no matter how much we tinker with them or spend on them. So you always work alongside the systems, and never leave them alone for too long.

Furthermore, the company gets so called "system" pitches every week, with people professing they they have found the secret. Really? These systems don't come cheap. They can cost anywhere from a few thousand to twenty thousand dollars or more. Our first obvious question is "why are you selling it then?" and "why not raise some capital and make it work for yourself?". Everything works great on curve fitting when back tested. That is what the success of most systems is predicated on - curve fitting. You put that system to work in the real world, it's guaranteed to fail after working for a few days to few weeks. Key to any system is to avoid curve fitting in back testing.

[stuntmovie]

Before I run out to pick up my pressure cooker (Orleans) and free beer and pizza lunch (Ellis Island) .... Tommy's single '0' post above reveals something that may be of interest to one or two of you GetBiggrers.

As you can see by reading TW's post .... You have to sit at high minimum roulette tables to take advantage of the lower House Edge that a single '0'
table offers .... about 2.5% if I recall correctly.

I think that this is another BS move on the casino's part but they do it because some gamnlers could care less when it comes to allowing the casino to 'control' their ganbling dollar.

The same shit happens when you try to find a one or two deck Blackjack table. You pay the price through higher minimums.

I'm sure the casinos have a name for this new modus operandi, but I have no idea what it's called.

[stuntmovie]

Thanks, Randi. Your post is a bit beyond my understanding but I think we're in complete agreement about the fraudulent nature of casino systems.

I have a problem of assuming that an individual is very intelligent when and if he agrees with me ..... and very dumb when he does not.

YOU are a very smart individual..

Do you recall that $20,000 system?

BTW ... one of the very dumb guys recently bought a $2,000 package of various systems, found out that they were useless. and then offered them all for free over the net in an attempt to bust the system seller.

Gonna pick up a pressure cooker~

[El Diablo Blanco]

THANKS, TOMMY! I honestly thought that those tables were all long-gone.

But after noticing those table minimums, I can see why I've never noticed them.

I'm more of a cheap assed penny slot/$3 table gambler. I politely refer to myself as a Whale Turd type of casino guy.

I'm cheap but I'm constant and can be found in 3 to 4 casinos on a daily basis .... mostly to collect the free stuff they give to constant visitors,,, such as the free bottle of wine I got yesterday and some kind of pressure cooker I gotta pick up today.

And whhle visiting these casinos I do my best to discuss business with Floor Supervisors and higher ups and casino owners when possible.

The casino people who worked when the Boyz ran this place are now few and far between but when I find one or two we always take the time to talk about what a great town this usrd to be and what's wrong with it today.

No time to discuss those details now but I do have two pet peeves which I always complain about.

1. The casinos that gett away with paying even money or 6-5 for a Blackjack. (Long story here also.)

2, And one major local casino that always (cept on weekends) has vacant tables due to their $10 minimum bet policy while their competition down the road is always busy with $5 mins.  If I ran this place, someone would be looking for another job.

THANKS for the single 'O' info. Tommy. I'll check them out this week.

$10 is nothing.  Belagio is $25 min all the time.  Place blows ass.

[reppingfor20]

You can send me some cash for research purposes. A few grand should cover it.

you'll need it when your broke

[Jon Harridan]

KLAUS. Your computations above appear to be based on a single '0' wheel which no longer are in play here in LV. To the best of my knowledge the last one used here in LV was at Sam's Club over ten years ago.

Your post  above reminds me of the new mechanical roulette table I watched yesterday. No live dealer is involved and it's interesting to watch how it functions.

Directly above the roulette wheel there is an electronic 'score-board' which keeps statistics in percentage format about the previous 400 winning numbers and those percentage figures do compute pretty damn close to what math experts compute them to be.

For example the even/odd stats was something like 48.8%/47.3% while the remaining 3.9% was for the '0/00' pits.

Over time these percentages will 'work out'  to the exact figures that math pre-determines them to be.

And the fact that there is roughly a 5.5% house advantage in this game ... means that the house will always win in the long run.

But this does not mean that you cannot win playing roulette.

You can win because ANYTHING can happen over the short term.

Difficult to explain or prove  without using math and boring equations but those two additional green spaces on the wheel (0 and 00) are what
make it difficult to walk out of the casino with a lot of money in your pockets.

In essence the house should pay you $37 if  your dollar is on the winning number, but they actually only pay you $35 ..... meaning that the house just made a $2 profit.

Appears strange to see it that way, but that's the way it actually works.

It works the same in the game of Craps ..... When you win, the casino pays you a bit less than what you actually deserve and the casino thereby makes a profit. It's best said  ... The casino only makes a proit whe YOU win. All the other casino winning from the losers goes into a escrow account to pay off future winners.

If you can understand that, you have a good idea how the casinos make their profit.

The only bet in the house in which here is no casino advantage is the True Odds Bet which new Craps players fail to understand.

Well, at least you made a ton of dough from the $35, right? That's what I'm talking about, making money. So what were the next 10 numbers that came up, following the 15 you posted?

[Jon Harridan]

you'll need it when your broke

This guy isn't broke.

http://www.rouletteguysecret.com/

[stuntmovie]

JOM. I'm glad you asked .... the next 10 numbers that came up, following the 15 I  posted earlier were:

33   Black
  7   Red
22   Black
38   Black
  9   Red
11   Black
28   Black
  9   Red
31   Red


I believe you saw a Red streak and were planning to bet on Red for the next 9 - 10 spins.

I'll let you figure out your loses.

[stuntmovie]

JON, I have a very nice bridge I'd like to offer you for a fair price.

It's in Brooklyn.

I'll even throw in a genuine Rolex watch .... made in China.

[Jon Harridan]

JOM. I'm glad you asked .... the next 10 numbers that came up, following the 15 I  posted earlier were:

33   Black
  7   Red
22   Black
38   Black
  9   Red
11   Black
28   Black
  9   Red
31   Red


I believe you saw a Red streak and were planning to bet on Red for the next 9 - 10 spins.

I'll let you figure out your loses.

Let me see. According to my normal "Win Line" system, I would have won my system bet by the 8th spin (you only posted 9 results). If I had bet on ALL Red though, and adjusting the "Win Line' system to that,  I would have lost only 1% of my total bank. What's the last (10th) number?

[Jon Harridan]

JON, I have a very nice bridge I'd like to offer you for a fair price.

It's in Brooklyn.

I'll even throw in a genuine Rolex watch .... made in China.

Are you referring to the Roulette Guy Secret system? I was just posting that for information's sake, but, in all fairness, you never know till you give it a try. Don't be overly suspicious to the point of excluding everything! Some systems, like mine (as proven by the numbers you posted), obviously do work.

[avxo]

Let me see. According to my normal "Win Line" system, I would have won my system bet by the 8th spin (you only posted 9 results). If I had bet on ALL Red though, and adjusting the "Win Line' system to that,  I would have lost only 1% of my total bank. What's the last (10th) number?

LOL... a "system" for predicting the outcome of random events. If you really have such a system then why are you on getbig, talking big, instead of on a casino floor, winning big? Talk is cheap big boy! Go break the bank.

[reppingfor20]

Are you referring to the Roulette Guy Secret system? I was just posting that for information's sake, but, in all fairness, you never know till you give it a try. Don't be overly suspicious to the point of excluding everything! Some systems, like mine (as proven by the numbers you posted), obviously do work.

then mr smarty pants, go out and use your system to make millions, billions, why waste it talking to us on getbig?  

it's sad to see, but you are the exact copy of every addicted gambler out there, they spew the same old bullshit.

[tommywishbone]

Finding a Biased Wheel at the Casino

The thing about biased roulette wheels is it usually takes many spins before noticing a pattern. Usually only a few thousand spins is sufficient. You won't get much help with the red or black bet. You will actually find the wheel biased towards some numbers. The ball will physically stop more often on a certain part of the wheel, which would be marked in general by a number. If you can find even a slight bias over the long term, you can improve your odds by over 4% and this would easily beat the house edge.

This is certainly a type of cheating similar to card counting in blackjack. Casinos know about this too and they despise the biased wheel problem. Since some numbers pay out more than others, it could either increase the edge of the casino or decrease the edge, depending on if a player knows about the biased wheel. Many of these wheels have become obsolete due to this concept being very well known and many smart players literally robbing the casino. Some have taken millions and there was even a famous story about a casino going broke over it. In fact, Albert Einstein made this quote after searching for a long time to beat the roulette wheel:

"You can not beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it" -Albert Einstein

[The Abdominal Snoman]

[The Abdominal Snoman]

POLY,

That sounds like Diamonds Are Forever released in  1971 but I can recall the Las Vegas Strip ten years earlier when you could not find the road on windy days due to the desert sand covering it.

And the small two story hotel/motels were a half mile apart with 4x8 plywood boards on vacant desert lots in between those hotel/motels advertising Strip-front acreage at $300 each.

Much later on I was told that all that desert road-front property was owned by Mae West and W.C. Fields.

One hot day I got out of the car to take a closer look at some roadside dirt and the melting tarmac sucked off my shoe and fought my struggle to get it back.

Back then that road was just   desert dirt and a melting two lane roadway. I don’t recall if it was called The Strip back then. I sort of recall that it was known as the “Road to LA”, but I could be wrong.

Three or four of those early day casinos would have nice looking but non-electric , wooden sigms letting drive-bys know that it was cool inside and that you could eat all you wanted for 99 cents. I can’t recall if the word “buffet” was even used in those early days.

At Doc’s place (the Hacienda) you could drink cold Champaigne free of charge from a silver fountain which flowed all day long.

And each hotel/casino on that roadway to LA had greeters who would meet and greet you with open arms and hardy handshakes as soon as you entered the front door. Some of those greeters were major stars or sport personalities. I think George Raft bought us a few rounds one night upon our arrival at the Sands.

And if you wore your military uniform or had a Marine Corps haircut, you were treated as though you were royalty with a persomal escort to the bar where drinks were always on the house.

And soon enough the booz encouraged us to give Lady Luck a try while the Pit Bosses would always look over us and offer good advice and inform us when it was time to return to the bar to recharge our batteries befoe  our next assault on Lady Luck.

There was a war on someplace and we were active combat participants and this was the casino’s way of expressing there appreciation and gratitude ...... and a $60 to a $100 win due to the help of these casino civilians was big bucks back then and truly appreciated.,

And we never hit the rack without some major casino ‘boss’ giving us his card and informing us that arrangement had been made for us Marines at the next casino down the road.

Back in those days Las Vegas had the reputation of being a service town … and that was exceptionally evident to us  US service guys.

It can never be the same again but if I ever get the opportunity to show these hotel and casino owners how it was done back then, it would all change for the better for each of us.

Back then you could go downtown to Fremontr Street and tie your ass to hitching post if you could finf a vacant one or one that an old desert prospector was saddleing up to head back to God knows where to search for something that would be utterly worthless today.

One major thing that today’s casinos have forgotten to do …. Back then the casino owners or the major casino figurehead would walk the casino floor greeting his ganbling customers and slip a roll of nickels or a roll of dimes into their hands with a hardy, “Good luck!” and a. “Welcome to the Horseshoe! Thanks for coming in!”

That’s done no longer, but it sure as hell should be.

The last casino owner I’ve seen on the floor greeting his customers was Bob Stupak at the old Vegas World over ten years ago., but instead of a roll of nickles, he only offered a Polish hot-dog and a few words of encouragement.

Now-a-days it’s entirely different and Las Vegas visitors don’t expect too much when it cones to service. That’s most likely brcause they have no idea what kind of town Las Vegas use to be. They even play Blackjack where the casinos pay even money instead of 3-2. (A very dumb thing indeed!)

I recall driving from Camp Pendleton one summer afternoon in a little convertible sports car without the ‘roof' .... and reaching Baker when it was 115 degrees and purchasing a 100 pounds of ice which we dunped on the seats in an attempt to keep cool.

And driving the last 50 miles into town in first gear because the deserrt wind blew some desert dirt into our vacunn shift mechanism.

And many hours later we pulled into the fountain filled driveway of a brand bew hotel called Caesars Palace … hot and tire and dripping wet … and…

The valet guy sees us creeping up his beautiful fountain filled driveway first gear and says, “Having car problems, sir??

And before I can say, “Yes, you dumb shit” ….. he says, “It’ll be fixed and ready for you by 10 AM. Will you be needing transportation this evening, sir?”

That’s the kind of town Las Vegas used to be!

It’s got a lot to learn …. Once again.

Its gotta start over or it'll wither away like an old desert bone.

Awesome stories Stunt. How cool would Vegas be if it returned to its roots and became that service town again. The problem with Vegas in my eyes is the RICH went to Vegas to get even richer...They turned the place into the douchiest place on Earth. Its time to let some other States have the sports gambling and let Vegas just be a thing of the past.imop

[Jon Harridan]

LOL... a "system" for predicting the outcome of random events. If you really have such a system then why are you on getbig, talking big, instead of on a casino floor, winning big? Talk is cheap big boy! Go break the bank.

Yes, of course, but I need some donations first for a starting bank. The system uses mathematics to give you a good chance of beating the house, but you still need to be fairly accurate.

[Jon Harridan]

then mr smarty pants, go out and use your system to make millions, billions, why waste it talking to us on getbig?  

it's sad to see, but you are the exact copy of every addicted gambler out there, they spew the same old bullshit.

I'm broke at the moment! Where's the capital needed for my investment?

[avxo]

Yes, of course, but I need some donations first for a starting bank. The system uses mathematics to give you a good chance of beating the house, but you still need to be fairly accurate.

And what, precisely, are your qualifications in mathematics in general and statistics in particular troll? To be fair, I know the answer to the question is "nothing, nada, zip" based on the statements you've made so far; they've made it painfully obvious that only thing that you know about mathematics is the word.

I'm broke at the moment! Where's the capital needed for my investment?

I'm sure that Kevin Trudeau has a book full of information that will teach you the tricks to getting money that "they" don't want you to know; check out his infomercial and call now, before the FTC bans it too and you're shit out of luck!

[Jon Harridan]

And what, precisely, are your qualifications in mathematics in general and statistics in particular troll? To be fair, I know the answer to the question is "nothing, nada, zip" based on the statements you've made so far; they've made it painfully obvious that only thing that you know about mathematics is the word.


I'm sure that Kevin Trudeau has a book full of information that will teach you the tricks to getting money that "they" don't want you to know; check out his infomercial and call now, before the FTC bans it too and you're shit out of luck!

You pennypinching bastard, since you want me to prove myself and my methods, kindly cough up the cash right now, or shut your rubbishy mouth! I don't need qualifications in mathematics as I relied on a maths genius, you fuckin' troll. And don't worry, later I'll ask Kevin Trudeau to shove the roulette ball up your know-nothing ass. Go research my methods properly before you open your big trap, boy.

[Jon Harridan]

And what, precisely, are your qualifications in mathematics in general and statistics in particular troll? To be fair, I know the answer to the question is "nothing, nada, zip" based on the statements you've made so far; they've made it painfully obvious that only thing that you know about mathematics is the word.


I'm sure that Kevin Trudeau has a book full of information that will teach you the tricks to getting money that "they" don't want you to know; check out his infomercial and call now, before the FTC bans it too and you're shit out of luck!

By the way, one of my degree course modules was Statistics, come to think of it. I didn't need to use it, though, since I tapped the skills of a maths genius as I said.

[Samourai Pizzacat]

By the way, one of my degree course modules was Statistics, come to think of it. I didn't need to use it, though, since I tapped the skills of a maths genius as I said.

Either you're a troll, or a shill, or the third option, a retard. I'm not sure which of the 3 is the worst...

[Jon Harridan]

Either you're a troll, or a shill, or the third option, a retard. I'm not sure which of the 3 is the worst...

Well, you can take your pick because all three descriptions fit you perfectly, Mr NincomPOOP.

[stuntmovie]

SNOW, Vegas can never return to the way it used to be but in some cases it's trying little by little.

Just the other day we were in the Cosmopolitan Casino and I stopped to ask one of the security guys where the closest men's room was .... and he didn't just point in the general direction, but he lead me to the entrance.

A small show of politeness, but definitely a step in the right direction.

But it will never really return to the good old days due tu the fact that the corporations and the bean counters have taken over and a casino owner is never seen on the casino floor greeting his customers with hardy handshakes and rolls of nickles.

The casino's personality died and was buried in the desert long ago and can't be ressurrected.

And moat 'houses' take advantage of uneducated customers by changing the games to increase the house advantage. NEVER SIT AT A GAME WHERE THE CASINO REFUSES TO PAY 3 -2 WHEN YOU GET A BLACKJACK EVEN IN A SINGLE DECK GAME.

[Jon Harridan]

SNOW, Vegas can never return to the way it used to be but in some cases it's trying little by little.

Just the other day we were in the Cosmopolitan Casino and I stopped to ask one of the security guys where the closest men's room was .... and he didn't just point in the general direction, buy he lead me to the entrance.

A small show of politeness, but definitely a step in the right direction.

But it will never really return to the good old days due tu the fact that the corporations and the bean counters have taken over and a casino owner is never seen on the casino floor greeting his customers with hardy handshakes and rolls of nickles.

The casino's personality died and was buried in the desert long ago and can't be ressurrected.

And moat 'houses' take advantage of uneducated customers by changing the games to increase the house advantage. NEVER SIT AT A GAME WHERE THE CASINO REFUSES TO PAY 3 -2 WHEN YOU GET A BLACKJACK EVEN IN A SINGLE DECK GAME.

It seems that in the old days casinos cut your throat politely as opposed to now!