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2012 Vice President Candidates
« on: April 21, 2012, 10:46:36 AM »
Sabato does a good job with political commentary.  Here is his list.  Not sure how to paste the story with all of the pictures.  His table looks much nicer and is easier to read. 

Veepwatch, Part 2: First, Do No Harm — Our Vp Contenders
Larry J. Sabato, Kyle Kondik and Geoffrey Skelley April 12th, 2012

As part 2 of our Veepwatch series, we’re unveiling our VP possibilities chart. See our video and also our full Veepwatch contenders list, both below. Who might Mitt Romney pick as his running mate? Did we miss anyone? If you think we did, pass along your suggested VP possibility along with a few short pluses and minuses to goodpolitics@virginia.edu. Put “VP pick” in the subject line. We’ll select the best three candidate suggestions and highlight them in next week’s Crystal Ball; we’ll also send the contributors a University of Virginia Center for Politics prize pack. — The Editors


He’s the ultimate Washington outsider, a rare national celebrity who is beloved by conservatives and who knows how to draw a crowd. He would be the telegenic, young complement to the top man on the ticket, and, oh by the way, he made his name as one of the most famous figures from a key swing state. In other words, he’s Mitt Romney’s perfect running mate!

But, alas, former Florida Gators Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback and NFL sensation Tim Tebow is only 24 years old. One needs to be eligible to serve as president — age 35 — in order to be picked for the vice presidential slot.

With Romney having all but locked up the Republican nomination for president, national attention now turns to the Veepwatch. And more improbable names than Tebow will be bandied about before it’s through.

In picking a running mate, Romney would be well advised to abide by the old Hippocratic Oath, “First, do no harm.” In a campaign sense, the barest minimum contribution a vice presidential selection can make to the ticket is not to torpedo the nominee’s chances.

And yet, this political maxim is often violated. Four years ago, John McCain sought to excite a conservative base that long mistrusted him. Sarah Palin did that, but alienated much of the rest of the country. In 1984 Walter Mondale sought a similar spark from Geraldine Ferraro, but she was dogged by questions about her husband’s finances. George McGovern said he was “1,000 percent” behind his initial pick in 1972, Missouri Sen. Thomas Eagleton, right before McGovern dumped Eagleton after stories emerged about his mental illness and electric shock therapy. In 1988, George H.W. Bush picked a youthful Dan Quayle to bridge the generational divide; Quayle eventually became a national punch line.

Beyond the campaign, a vice president also has to be loyal to the policies of the presidential candidate should he or she become president. Several picks have failed in this regard, too. Before there were Republicans who were derided as RINOs (Republican in Name Only), there was a WINO — Whig in Name Only. After the sudden death of William Henry Harrison in 1841, John Tyler became president, and sabotaged the Whig Party program to the frustration of leading Whigs such as Henry Clay. Republican Abraham Lincoln’s second vice president, Andrew Johnson, wasn’t a RINO, because he was a Democrat. After Lincoln’s assassination, Johnson infuriated Radical Republicans during the post-Civil War era. Theodore Roosevelt wound up on William McKinley’s ticket largely because his enemies wanted to sidetrack his career in New York, where he was governor. Then McKinley was killed, catapulting Roosevelt into the presidency to the consternation of his enemies.

Perhaps the most important thing that Romney has to consider is that his pick must pass the litmus test of appearing able to step into the presidency at a moment’s notice (after Palin, this will be especially critical to the evaluation of Romney’s choice).

Topping our initial Veepwatch list is Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio. He would seem to be the definition of the “do-no-harm candidate,” although he also served in the Bush administration. No doubt the Obama campaign would try to exploit that association. The second name is a flashier candidate: Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida. Mentioned as a possible running mate essentially as soon as he won his Senate race in 2010, Rubio is a polished conservative who would reassure the Tea Party base and present a different (non-white) Republican face to the nation. But just as in the presidential race — Rick Perry, for instance — candidates who look ideal aren’t always as perfect as they seem, and the press vetting is intense.

There are plenty more possibilities for Romney, and inevitably the Republican’s campaign will review a couple dozen people, including some outside-the-box choices, before settling on the traditional short list. Until Romney announces his pick, the Veepwatch Kremlinology will continue.

By the way, there’s no Democratic Veepwatch because we’re not entertaining the (by now) outlandish idea of President Obama dumping Vice President Biden. Yes, we could make the case for Hillary Clinton; she is arguably a stronger choice than Biden and could potentially add electoral votes. But all that was true in 2008 as well, and changing back-up horses in the middle of the election year stream would be a media circus. Somehow it’s hard to imagine Biden suffering this indignity in silence.

Our thoughts on the Republican VP field possibilities are below:

First Tier
Rob Portman
Senator, OH 

Marco Rubio
Senator, FL   

Bobby Jindal
Governor, LA   

Paul Ryan
Rep., WI   

Second Tier
Chris Christie
Governor, NJ   

Jeb Bush
Fmr. Governor, FL   
   
Tim Pawlenty
Fmr. Governor, MN   

Bob McDonnell
Governor, VA   

Mitch Daniels
Governor, IN

Mike Huckabee
Fmr. Governor, AR   

Third Tier
Kelly Ayotte
Senator, NH   

Brian Sandoval
Governor, NV   

Susana Martinez
Governor, NM   

Bob Corker
Senator, TN   

Condoleezza Rice
Fmr. Sec. of State   

Fourth Tier
Pat Toomey
Senator, PA   

John Thune
Senator, SD   

Rand Paul
Senator, KY   

Luis Fortuńo
Governor, PR   

Cathy McMorris Rodgers
Rep., WA   

Richard Burr
Senator, NC   

David Petraeus
Dir. of CIA   

J.C. Watts
Fmr. Rep., OK   

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/veepwatch-part-2-first-do-no-harm-our-vp-contenders/

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2012, 10:48:37 AM »
Veepwatch: Readers React
Kyle Kondik, Political Analyst, U.Va. Center for Politics April 19th, 2012

John Adams, the Founding Father who served as the nation’s first vice president, had this to say about the No. 2 job: “My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived.”

Nowadays, few people — well, few politicians anyway — would agree with the sentiment. The vice presidency is a coveted prize that can serve as a springboard to the presidency, as it did for Adams and others throughout our history.

Last week, we identified 23 Republicans who we think might be selected as likely Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s running mate. But we knew that there were more names out there, plausible and otherwise, so we asked readers to submit ideas that we did not include in our Veepwatch.

The three submissions we liked the best — the ones we’ll reward with a University of Virginia Center for Politics prize package — are all big-time long shots, but ones worth assessing:

– J.P. Ludvigson was one of a number of readers to suggest South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, and he did so at length. Among the pluses, Ludvigson said that being a minority woman would “blunt the gender gap and ‘war on women line’” from Democrats and that her Tea Party ties would act as a “base motivator” and also balance Romney’s  “Northeast elitist image.” Among the negatives, Ludvigson mentioned that Haley isn’t from a swing state and that rumors of affairs (which Haley has vehemently denied) could be a vetting hurdle. We didn’t include Haley on our list because she’s a relatively new governor (elected in 2010) whom the press, and probably the public, would view as Sarah Palin 2.0. That’s a headache that Romney doesn’t need.

– Michael Torrey suggested a bipartisan pick: retiring Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC). Shuler is “on the same page with many conservative Republicans (i.e. illegal immigration, spending, gun control) and has even tried to backdoor [Nancy] Pelosi out of the House minority leader position. His blue-collar background would appeal to conservative Democrats in key states like PA, and the idea of a Republican/Democrat ticket would certainly be exciting.” The concept of a unity ticket is always an interesting one — independent Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman (CT) was high on John McCain’s Veep list in 2008, and the independent Americans Elect group is attempting to construct one this year — but it’s also a hard thing to imagine. Shuler’s record, while more conservative than many House Democrats, is full of votes he would have to renounce or reinterpret to fit with Romney’s platform. And Shuler, an ex-NFL quarterback, isn’t a national political figure like Lieberman; he’s a little-known member of the House.

– Adam Snoddy named Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman. “His strengths include: strong social conservative credentials, Midwestern appeal, military background, the ability to help Romney carry NE-2 (which Obama won in 2008), and his status as one of Romney’s earliest endorsers in the primary. Heineman’s drawbacks include: ‘unexciting’ pick, from a solid GOP state, completely unknown to 99% of the country.” Heineman would be a real dark horse and is a plausible safe pick, but there are others on our list — Sen. Rob Portman (OH), Sen. Bob Corker (TN), ex-MN Gov. Tim Pawlenty — who are more prominent and could potentially bring more to the ticket.

Many readers favored Rep. Allen West, an outspoken Republican from Florida and Sarah Palin’s pick. West does excite conservatives, but he’s also a bomb-thrower. For instance, note his recent statement that “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress are members of the Communist Party (because they are in the Progressive Caucus). West makes Chris Christie look like a shrinking violet, and he would produce daily controversies as a running mate. Swing independents would run away, which means West won’t be chosen.

Other readers mentioned some of Romney’s former competitors in the race for the GOP nomination, such as Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann. We didn’t include any of Romney’s former opponents because we think all of them showed major vulnerabilities during the campaign. Many produced cutting soundbites about Romney that Democrats would delight in using to divide the GOP ticket.

Further suggestions included Govs. Mary Fallin (OK), John Kasich (OH), Rick Snyder (MI) and Tom Corbett (PA); Sens. John Hoeven (ND), Scott Brown (MA), Mike Johanns (NE), Ron Johnson (WI), Olympia Snowe (ME) and Susan Collins (ME); former Comptroller General David Walker; former CIA Director Michael Hayden; and a number of others. The likeliest name on this list of unlikely possibilities is probably Hoeven, but his southern neighbor, John Thune of South Dakota, seems like a more plausible possibility because he’s seen as a rising Republican star.*

Thanks to the many readers who contributed. We’ll all be surprised together when Romney’s choice is announced. For all we know, one of you is right and we are wrong.

Earlier this week, Romney named a longtime aide, Beth Myers, to head up his VP search. The early indications are that Romney won’t make his selection anytime soon, which will give us months to adjust the Veepwatch possibilities. As a matter of due diligence, Myers will assess dozens of names, circling some and putting a big red “X” through most. We would advise those that make her short list to avoid quoting John Adams on the vice presidency during their interviews.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2012, 02:14:38 PM »
No way Romney hires a rockstar for veep like mccain did.   No way a creepy guy with a look like jindal, or a political newbie like rubio get selected.


This will be someone who's been in national office for 10+ years.  Someone safe.  no surprises.  Someone boring.  Romney is used to being surrounded by 'yes man' and this will be no different.  He may choose a woman, but he'll want it said from all sides "It's like Palin, only really smart". 

I know it's more fun to say "christie and rubio screaming at each other for the nomination" and I think a rand paul nomination would be exciting.  But really, it'll be a safe boring person who doesn't overshadow Mittens.

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2012, 09:31:12 AM »
Daniels would call for VP 'reconsideration'
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(CNN) – Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels took his opposition to running for vice president in 2012 to new heights on Sunday, saying he would “demand reconsideration” if asked to assume the No. 2 position on the Republican ticket.

“I think I would demand reconsideration and send Mr. Romney a list of people I think could suit better,” Daniels said on “Fox News Sunday.”

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He also invoked conservative stalwart William F. Buckley in defense of his decision. The author and commentator ran unsuccessfully for mayor of New York in 1965 to give voice to his conservative ideas. When asked at the time what he would do if he won, Buckley said “Demand a recount.”

Daniels, who decided against a presidential bid of his own earlier in the election cycle, said he did not expect to be asked to serve with Mitt Romney and remained loyal to his Hoosier State constituents.

“I promised the people of my state eight full years, and I like living up to that commitment, showing that it was real,” Daniels said. “So, no, I don't - I think this is a hypothetical question that will probably stay that way.”

He also declined to offer Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, any suggestions, at least in public.

“I have seen a lot of names and I like them all. I don’t want to ruin anybody’s chances this morning by singling him or her out,” said Daniels, who endorsed Romney last week. “You know, there is a lot of talent in the Republican Party.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/22/daniels-would-call-for-vp-reconsideration/

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2012, 02:31:38 PM »
It's going t be Rubio.  VP is mostly meaningless position. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2012, 06:46:43 PM »
It's going t be Rubio.  VP is mostly meaningless position. 

hahaha no way mitt is outshined by an unproven commodity.

he picks a quiet yes man (or woman!) with cred.  Maybe someone like thune with military background.

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2012, 06:47:37 PM »
hahaha no way mitt is outshined by an unproven commodity.

he picks a quiet yes man (or woman!) with cred.  Maybe someone like thune with military background.

Rubio is better than myth.

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2012, 07:20:17 PM »
hey 240, I know you like Jeb but I'm curious, if you were president, would you want a Bush right behind you?

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2012, 07:25:26 PM »
hey 240, I know you like Jeb but I'm curious, if you were president, would you want a Bush right behind you?

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 03:48:36 AM »
But Romney hasn't won the repub nomination yet.  There are still two other candidates in the race, oh yeah the media already decided about two years ago for us that it is Romney.  I will be voting third party this year if this false conservative is the repub. choice. 
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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 10:55:10 AM »
It's going t be Rubio.  VP is mostly meaningless position. 

Rubio helps with the Latino vote.

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2012, 10:58:42 AM »
Rubio helps with the Latino vote.

this is true, but isn't there a hispanic WOMAN in that running as well?   one of those gov's that has been on national scene forever?

rubio has the potential to be palin all over again.  he might help with hispanics and florida... but as bubba the love sponge talked about a ton in fall of 2010, there's a shitload of info about him being a lobbyist while employed by the state in florida.  IF it's true - and i can imagine bubba's ass would be sued if he lied about such a thing - that could spell trouble.

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2012, 02:45:58 PM »
He makes some good points. 

Cheney offers advice on picking a running mate
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(CNN) - It may be months before Mitt Romney announces who will join him on the GOP presidential ticket, but speculation surrounding the likely nominee's choice of running mate is already well beyond fever pitch.

Joining the discussion Monday: former Vice President Dick Cheney, the last Republican to act as the country's second-in-command. Making some of his first public remarks following a successful heart transplant in late March, Cheney drew on his own experience selecting running mates in advising Romney.

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"I've been involved in a couple of vice presidential searches, some more successful than others," Cheney said at an event for students at the Washington Center. His remarks were carried by C-SPAN.

In 2000, Cheney led the vice presidential search for then-candidate George W. Bush that culminated in his own selection as running mate.

He continued, "The thing that I think is important to remember is the decision you make as a presidential candidate on who your running mate's going to be is the first presidential level decision the public's going to see you make. It's the first time you're making a decision you're going to have to live with. It gives the public a chance to see you operate and see what you think is important, what kind of individual you choose to serve as your running mate, what are the criteria."

Cheney said making a vice presidential decision in order to leverage key voting blocs was a mistake, saying it ignored the position's most vital duty.

"I think the single most important criteria has to be the capacity to be president," Cheney said. "That's why you pick them. I think lots of times in the past that has not been the foremost criteria."

Romney would be smart to ignore pundits handicapping the decision, Cheney said.

"As you watch the talking heads out there now, they're saying you've got to pick a woman, a Hispanic, someone from a big state. They're all interesting things to speculate about but it's pretty rare that the election ever turns on those kinds of issues."

In his remarks, Cheney also offered details about the night he received his heart transplant. The former vice president had been on the waiting list for a donor heart for 20 months.

"On a Friday night about midnight I got a phone call," Cheney said. "I knew I was getting to the top of the list."

He continued, "We got in the car and drove to the hospital. Checked in there. About seven o'clock in the morning they began the operation. It took about five or six hours."

Cheney said he remained in the hospital for nine days following the procedure.

"I'm feeling very well, and very fortunate," Cheney said of his current state of health. He added he felt "great gratitude to the individual, family that donated the heart I was privileged to receive."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/23/cheney-offers-advice-on-picking-a-running-mate/


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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2012, 06:32:37 AM »
 :).  More comedians.

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 06:37:24 AM »
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-pokes-fun-at-republicans-refusal-to-compete-in-mitt-romneys-veepstakes/

 :D :D :D

that was pretty funny.   they do all seem to be 'handing it off'. 

38.2% of the world's gambling community believe Mittens will win it.  That's not a weekly thing.  that's millionaires from around the world putting their $ where their mouth is.

Confidence in romney isn't high - even from potential veeps.

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Re: 2012 Vice President Candidates
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 06:42:14 AM »
It's going t be Rubio.  VP is mostly meaningless position. 

No it isn't.  Rubio isn't stupid enough to attach his name and political future to Romney.

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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 06:53:59 AM »
 :)
No it isn't.  Rubio isn't stupid enough to attach his name and political future to Romney.


Even if mittens lost rubio has four morer years in the senate. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 07:01:21 AM »
:)

Even if mittens lost rubio has four morer years in the senate. 

yeah, but the prez race exposes every dumbshit moment a person ever has.  if they don't win the nomination, they don't get another chance, sorry.

rubio would have a lot of awkward learning moments in a 2012 race - he would stay at that level forever, period.  might be a senator for a while.  but won't be prez in 2016 if he loses as veep in 2012.   I'd pass if I was him.

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 07:12:12 AM »
 :)
yeah, but the prez race exposes every dumbshit moment a person ever has.  if they don't win the nomination, they don't get another chance, sorry.

rubio would have a lot of awkward learning moments in a 2012 race - he would stay at that level forever, period.  might be a senator for a while.  but won't be prez in 2016 if he loses as veep in 2012.   I'd pass if I was him.

You also thought chist was going to win too remember? 

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2012, 08:26:11 AM »
Rubio would never recover from being part of a losing Romney campaign.

In addition, Rubio is supposed to be crafting an image of being a conservative with steadfast ideals.  If he truly believed in that, there would be no way he would latch on to a flip flop liberal like Romney.

It's doesn't take a lot of common sense to see this.

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2012, 10:00:02 AM »
Crist wasn't cruising at 60% on intrade ;)

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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2012, 10:00:41 AM »
:)
You also thought chist was going to win too remember? 

if I called you out for every prediction you got wrong "scott brown 41 just ended obamacare!" we'd be here all day champ.

we all get some wrong :)

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2012, 10:13:09 AM »
if I called you out for every prediction you got wrong "scott brown 41 just ended obamacare!" we'd be here all day champ.

we all get some wrong :)

Yeah - remember - we still have a few months before deathcar is repealed.  Additionally -no one ever imagined Obama would be so reckless as to pass health care after brown won and even many dems warned obama not to do it. 

Remember the results of the mid terms as a result of your messiahs treason?  Oh thats right - liberals and idiots like yourself, straw, blackass never saw that coming.   Sam as in november when your messiah is sent packing to kenya     

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2012, 11:10:19 AM »
Additionally -no one ever imagined Obama would be so reckless as to pass health care after brown won and even many dems warned obama not to do it. 

No one thought that ,huh