You need to do at least one exercise per day every single day

[Marty Champions]

why take a full day off and do nothing

if you dont have purpose for that day and are merely "resting" then why should the program that is YOU not be deleted?

The earth is a breeding ground for potential good progams, taking a "rest" day makes you look like a "virus" thus you might be subjected to deletion



as ive been getting stronger ive been slacking on my pullups and one arm pushups

but thats fine because i havent taken any days off, im now doing lunges with 98 pound dumbells in sets of 2 and 4. Im probably getting stronger for 3 reasons

1 learning better technique , muscles firing off faster

2 paying my dues by never taking a rest day forcing the body to adapt more rapidly

3 slacking on other exercises gives more power and psuedo rest for your and my favorite exercise (lunges)

but the 3rd reason isnt really a positive it more or less cancels each other out, if you DONT do an exercise to GET BETTER at another exercise then your simply just trading one for the other

[Dr Dutch]

I consider your threads worthwhile.............b ut now ?

[dj181]

do you believe that there is such a thing as over-training?

or maybe you follow the barbarian brothers old motto of "there's no such thing as over-training, only under-eating"?

[Dr Dutch]

do you believe that there is such a thing as over-training?

or maybe you follow the barbarian brothers old motto of "there's no such thing as over-training, only under-eating"?

I tried that one, got fat as a pig....

[#1 Klaus fan]

How many pull ups can you do Johnny.

[doriancutlerman]

why take a full day off and do nothing

if you dont have purpose for that day and are merely "resting" then why should the program that is YOU not be deleted?

The earth is a breeding ground for potential good progams, taking a "rest" day makes you look like a "virus" thus you might be subjected to deletion

You're a good bro, Johnny, but I can't agree.  As I see it, the training portion of bodybuilding's only the catalyst that sets growth into motion.  For it to happen, at least in my experience (natural and not-so natural), rest is needed to complete the process.

Besides, look at animals like hibernating bears or the alpha lion of a pride.  He sleeps about 20 hours a day, so you could say all he DOES do is sleep, eat what his women bring him and, from time to time, fight up-and-comers like hell.  And what about babies?  Sleep, eat, shit, sleep a lot more and they grow at exponential rates, including in developing muscle mass.

as ive been getting stronger ive been slacking on my pullups and one arm pushups

but thats fine because i havent taken any days off, im now doing lunges with 98 pound dumbells in sets of 2 and 4. Im probably getting stronger for 3 reasons

1 learning better technique , muscles firing off faster

2 paying my dues by never taking a rest day forcing the body to adapt more rapidly

3 slacking on other exercises gives more power and psuedo rest for your and my favorite exercise (lunges)

Don't overlook the fact that "slacking" on the pullups and pushups frees up resources for you to train more frequently.  I'm also dubious that never resting literally forces the body to adapt faster ... it sounds nice, but that was the basic tenet of that moron Steve Michalik's "Intensity or Insanity" training, and I've never seen any of his trainees look like anything.  There was a dude at Ironage who followed him like Luke did Yoda, and his physique was the same for years.  The minute he got away from Michalik he gained a shitload of muscle, naturally.  He was just beating himself to death day in and day out that his body was STARVED for rest.

but the 3rd reason isnt really a positive it more or less cancels each other out, if you DONT do an exercise to GET BETTER at another exercise then your simply just trading one for the other

Why not do all three, wait a few days, then do them again?

Let me put it another way.  Back in your heydey, when you were big and quite lean before that first Mr. Getbig, what was your training like?

[Marty Champions]

dorian cutler man ill answer the last question just for now im pressed for time

my training back in the day was every day full body , but i had more time to train back in the day and worked less, i spent a rediculous amount of time obsessing about how lean i was and how often i should train

i was more of a high repper cardio fanatic cause thats what melted the calories if i were to overeat

i was no more muscular than your average basketball player, i was just pretty lean. taller people look more muscular than a short stocky dude

[Marty Champions]

How many pull ups can you do Johnny.

i could do a max set of 8-10 reps at a bodyweight of 325

[ritch]

your thread is pure utter bullshit. Your cns needs to relax at some point. So keep pissin in the wind and train every single day...

[Marty Champions]

You're a good bro, Johnny, but I can't agree.  As I see it, the training portion of bodybuilding's only the catalyst that sets growth into motion.  For it to happen, at least in my experience (natural and not-so natural), rest is needed to complete the process. think of all the people that rest alot but maybe train hard here and there. are they impressive? i think not bro? i dont want to train and think about needing so much rest like everyone else, afterall look at everyone else

Besides, look at animals like hibernating bears or the alpha lion of a pride.  He sleeps about 20 hours a day, so you could say all he DOES do is sleep, eat what his women bring him and, from time to time, fight up-and-comers like hell.  And what about babies?  Sleep, eat, shit, sleep a lot more and they grow at exponential rates, including in developing muscle mass. well a bear is fat and a lion is huge not that ripped i think


Don't overlook the fact that "slacking" on the pullups and pushups frees up resources for you to train more frequently.  I'm also dubious that never resting literally forces the body to adapt faster ... it sounds nice, but that was the basic tenet of that moron Steve Michalik's "Intensity or Insanity" training, and I've never seen any of his trainees look like anything.  There was a dude at Ironage who followed him like Luke did Yoda, and his physique was the same for years.  The minute he got away from Michalik he gained a shitload of muscle, naturally.  He was just beating himself to death day in and day out that his body was STARVED for rest.  you said STARVED for rest. thats a beleif i have that it all has to do with proper nutrition

i think there is some potential to lessen muscle gains and bone density gains when you eat meat. since meat contains steroid like hormones. not sure if you are aware of when a child consumes steroids his growth plates cap off i could be wrong but thats just a thought of diet related muscle gains coming from an expert

Why not do all three, wait a few days, then do them again?

Let me put it another way.  Back in your heydey, when you were big and quite lean before that first Mr. Getbig, what was your training like?

[Marty Champions]

your thread is pure utter bullshit. Your cns needs to relax at some point. So keep pissin in the wind and train every single day...

im sure 99 percent of people have ample "cns" relaxation there muscle king. Since this "cns" relaxation is the key then everyone should rest more

[Marty Champions]

before someone argues you need a "BALANCE" of hard training to CNS recovery, I disagree i think 99 percent of people have that perfect balance. The problem is people trying to find the BALANCE whereas the PROPER way to go about it is to go all out one way and that is to TRAIN everyday.

This balance is whats fucking everyone up

BALL-LANCE

cut off your man hood

cut off your balls

be less manly with BALL-LANCE when you dont go ALL OUT seeking to train everyday

only pussies train a few times a week because they need "BALL-LANCE" they have already lanced there balls in doing so thats why they dont make cool threads and are stuck in progression or result to steroids or pathetic arguments about resting your "CNS"

[hematocritter]

do you believe that there is such a thing as over-training?

or maybe you follow the barbarian brothers old motto of "there's no such thing as over-training, only under-eating"?

Food has no effect on the CNS.
I have obliterated my CNS into the ground a number of times, completely screwing up my adrenal cortex leading to a bunch of other issues
that carried over to my life outside the gym. This was when I was doing a lot of compound lifts and strongman stuff, all very taxing on the CNS.
I have tried eating my way out of being overtrained many, many times with absolutely no success.
It took me months of recovery and special medication to solve my cortisol issues from being so horribly overtrained. I did all of this thinking that
my hardcore ethic would make me more successful than the average gymrat.

I have done so many different routines and variations with my lifting over the past ten years, and I have learned a lot about what my body can and
can't handle.
Over the last few months I have done almost no compound lifting, just a couple sets at the beginning of my session followed by many, many sets of
isolation exercises with short or no rest periods in between. Training in that way is almost like cardio, I noticed increased recovery, lower HR and BP, and
other benefits that I normally get with regular cardiovascular training.
Another thing I noticed training in this manner was that it made me feel energized after each session instead of fatigued into the ground. That max effort
heavy compound HIT style lifting always left me exhausted, beat down, tired but restless, and hungry but unable to get the food down. It felt like I had been run
over by a truck the day after each session, and that was on an EOD lifting schedule.
Since switching to higher rep, higher volume isolation work, I can train back to back days and actually feel good after each session.

[dj181]

only pussies train a few times a week

LOL

[dj181]

Food has no effect on the CNS.
I have obliterated my CNS into the ground a number of times, completely screwing up my adrenal cortex leading to a bunch of other issues
that carried over to my life outside the gym. This was when I was doing a lot of compound lifts and strongman stuff, all very taxing on the CNS.
I have tried eating my way out of being overtrained many, many times with absolutely no success.
It took me months of recovery and special medication to solve my cortisol issues from being so horribly overtrained. I did all of this thinking that
my hardcore ethic would make me more successful than the average gymrat.

I have done so many different routines and variations with my lifting over the past ten years, and I have learned a lot about what my body can and
can't handle.
Over the last few months I have done almost no compound lifting, just a couple sets at the beginning of my session followed by many, many sets of
isolation exercises with short or no rest periods in between. Training in that way is almost like cardio, I noticed increased recovery, lower HR and BP, and
other benefits that I normally get with regular cardiovascular training.
Another thing I noticed training in this manner was that it made me feel energized after each session instead of fatigued into the ground. That max effort
heavy compound HIT style lifting always left me exhausted, beat down, tired but restless, and hungry but unable to get the food down. It felt like I had been run
over by a truck the day after each session, and that was on an EOD lifting schedule.
Since switching to higher rep, higher volume isolation work, I can train back to back days and actually feel good after each session.

so have you progressed on your iso moves? ie. increased training loads?

[Marty Champions]

food is everything

the hindus kept there ancient knowledge more intact much better than westerners. food was just as important as god to them...in our society it is only important if a food tastes good and to bodybuilders how much protien is in it

without food you wouldnt have a central nervous system

[Marty Champions]

so have you progressed on your iso moves? ie. increased training loads?

gained 2 reps per set on pullups

nothing noticible gained on one arm pushups

definitly increased poundage on lunges

[dj181]

dorian cutler man ill answer the last question just for now im pressed for time

my training back in the day was every day full body , but i had more time to train back in the day and worked less, i spent a rediculous amount of time obsessing about how lean i was and how often i should train

i was more of a high repper cardio fanatic cause thats what melted the calories if i were to overeat

i was no more muscular than your average basketball player, i was just pretty lean. taller people look more muscular than a short stocky dude

i think he was talking about when you were diesel, and not the time when you got too skinny ma man

[Marty Champions]

i think he was talking about when you were diesel, and not the time when you got too skinny ma man

i fluctuated 20-30 pounds and still was ripped, still trained the same. i took creatine aswell

[Hulkotron]

Yes pseudo-rest and contractile harmony are the keys.

[Schmoff]

yes, I do your mom at least once per day


 

[chunkramwell]

why take a full day off and do nothing

if you dont have purpose for that day and are merely "resting" then why should the program that is YOU not be deleted?

The earth is a breeding ground for potential good progams, taking a "rest" day makes you look like a "virus" thus you might be subjected to deletion



as ive been getting stronger ive been slacking on my pullups and one arm pushups

but thats fine because i havent taken any days off, im now doing lunges with 98 pound dumbells in sets of 2 and 4. Im probably getting stronger for 3 reasons

1 learning better technique , muscles firing off faster

2 paying my dues by never taking a rest day forcing the body to adapt more rapidly

3 slacking on other exercises gives more power and psuedo rest for your and my favorite exercise (lunges)

but the 3rd reason isnt really a positive it more or less cancels each other out, if you DONT do an exercise to GET BETTER at another exercise then your simply just trading one for the other

Excellent advices. I'm going to go do some squats, deads, and bench presses upon this suggestion.

[Hulkotron]

Excellent advices. I'm going to go do some squats, deads, and bench presses upon this suggestion.

What are your thoughts on pre-workout supplementation chunk?

[chunkramwell]

What are your thoughts on pre-workout supplementation chunk?

Four 200mg caffeine tabs an hour before.  Water is good too I guess.

Really it's all about focusing mental powers and casting spells on the weight.

[hematocritter]

so have you progressed on your iso moves? ie. increased training loads?

I'm either adding a little weight, doing more reps, are adding sets.
It depends on the muscle usually; I have a hard time progressing with biceps and delts with weight or reps, but
adding more sets seems to be making them grow. I noticed that after just a few weeks, my muscular endurance
had improved, each rep of each set felt a little easier and it allowed me to focus more and really control
the negative. I am having an easier time controlling my breathing during sets, something I always struggled
with in the past.
I'm thinking I might train like this the majority of the time, then do a short period of strength based compound
movements again, then back to this type of training before running my CNS into the ground.