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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2012, 07:19:27 PM »
this doesn't work.  why?  cause zimm could have said aliens did it.  or a dozen penguins came out of the sewer and shot trayon.  I can't prove things didn't go down exactly as he would claim - but i'd damn sure doubt his words.

Juries use a whole lot of supposition to convict the shit out of people.
Translation - I cant so Im gonna "nuh uh it doesn work like that!"

It does work you dumbass, cause that how the courts work (Innocent until proven guilty! The prosecution has to prove him wrong! How do you not understand that?!). But I wouldnt expect you to understand that, considering in a different post you were insinuating that the Jury is somehow going to give this guy the maximum sentence when they have nothing to do with sentencing.

Here is the list of things Zimmerman CAN prove again.

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Zimmerman can prove parts of his story. He can PROVE he was in a scuffle. He can PROVE his head was being smashed into the concrete. He can PROVE he had reasonable fear of his life to use deadly force. He can PROVE that Travyon was on top of him. He can PROVE most of his 911 call. He can PROVE where he parked his truck. He can PROVE his description of Trayvon was accurate.

(BTW, that bolded part is the kicker, they cant prove he is lying but he can prove he feared for his life)

Here is the list of Zimmermans story you can DISPROVE -
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Oh yeah, you cant disprove shit. Thats why, when asked for actual evidence, your answer was "well that doesnt work cause he could have said anything".  Good job failing.

Waiting for evidence that juries "convict people on supposition" (Really? You really just said that?)
Dude, I cant take you seriously anymore. You have to be trolling, no one can be this stupid.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2012, 07:22:47 PM »
It will come to the single question of whether the act of following was done aggressively.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2012, 07:30:16 PM »
shoot was legal by the law.

he'll be convicted based upon emotion & common sense.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2012, 07:35:02 PM »
It will come to the single question of whether the act of following was done through aggression.
Yeah, theyre going to try and use that angle, but with no way of actually proving it was done in an aggressive way, (and not simply because he was trying to keep on eye on him until the cops arrived) its not going to go very far IMHO. Plus they have no evidence to back that claim up.


-I came up with these in 2 seconds.

Calling him an asshole? (Was a generalization of the people that had been burglarizing his neighborhood, and he was upset that the police never arrived fast enough to apprehend them. No real evidence of intent to harm)
Having a gun? (Zimmerman was on his way back from town, and has a CWP that an officer advised him to get. No evidence of intent to hurt someone. He didnt leave his house and go straight to the street with his gun)
Following him? (Trayvon stared weirdly for a bit, prompting the "Looks like he's on drugs", then took off. Zimmerman wondering why he suddenly took off wanted to keep an eye on him. No evidence of intent to harm there)
Description? (911 Dispatcher asked for a description, which he gave, in detail, down to something in his hands and belt, Skittles and juice. No evidence of intent to harm there)

Expect the defense to have 100x better explanations than mine. Its too easy to come up with other possible intentions for every questionable part of his 911 call. Its next to impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did, in fact, say those things with the intent of causing Trayvon bodily harm.

Without evidence to point to his story being BS, and without evidence to prove that he was out with intent to kill, there really isnt anything that cant be explained easily in context. The prosecutor is fucked and she knows it, otherwise;
A.His bail would have been sky effin high in a high profile murder case.
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B.Bail probably would have been denied. Except the prosecutor admitted she cant prove him wrong.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2012, 07:36:58 PM »
shoot was legal by the law.

he'll be Ive convicted him based upon emotion & common sense and im trying to justify to myself that im not actually a sheep and a moron with no clue as to how the justice system works.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2012, 07:44:55 PM »
Yeah, theyre going to try and use that angle, but with no way of actually proving it was done in an aggressive way, (and not simply because he was trying to keep on eye on him until the cops arrived) its not going to go very far IMHO. Plus they have no evidence to back that claim up.

How can it be argued that the pursuit WASNT in agression?   He's swearing.  He's calling the kid an asshole, accusing him of being a burglar.  He covers 2 blocks in what, a period of 60 seconds?  That was the distance of 'lost' time between the hangup and the time the 911 calls lasted.   Zimm was probably winded by the time he caught up.

If calling names and accusing of felonies isn't aggression - what is?

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2012, 07:53:26 PM »
Before I bow out of this subject, as I really cant stand anymore of 240's complete ignorance of the justice system,

Ill leave you with 1 interesting fact about the Justice System, 240.

There was a helluva lot more evidence that OJ killed his wife, than there is of Zimmerman lying about his story.
And that BLACK MURDER SUSPECT (this is for anyone that is trying to play the race card), was AQUITTED because the PROSECUTION COULD NOT PROVE that the glove used in the murder fit him.

They COULD NOT prove that he was lying about the glove. And he walked. With a mountain of "supposition", and ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

And your sitting here with a straight face telling me that this guy is going to get "the book thrown at him by the jury" (Oh brother), with ZERO evidence that he's lying, and ZERO evidence that he had hostile intent.

Youre going to tell me with a straight face, that the Prosecutor didnt know what she was talking about when she told the judge she couldnt disprove his story at the bail hearig?
That Dershowitz didnt know what he was talking about when he said not only should this case be thrown out, but that the PROSECUTOR should be brought up on charges for filing an affidavit that didnt even have enough prosecuting evidence to be credible?
And that he didnt know what he was talking about when he said that she either left out important defense information because if she hadnt, the judge would have thrown the affidavit out in laughter?

OJ walked because they couldnt prove his hand fit a glove. With a mountain of evidence you dont have. And much more supposition than "Well he called him an asshole and had a gun, and he followed him!"

OJ's wife was with another man. And they didnt convict him. Because they couldnt prove he was lying.

Food for thought.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2012, 07:55:56 PM »
How can it be argued that the pursuit WASNT in agression?   He's swearing.  He's calling the kid an asshole, accusing him of being a burglar.  He covers 2 blocks in what, a period of 60 seconds?  That was the distance of 'lost' time between the hangup and the time the 911 calls lasted.   Zimm was probably winded by the time he caught up.

If calling names and accusing of felonies isn't aggression - what is?
Oh for gods sake.
I already did this in that post you idiot.
Its not aggression - its the INTENT TO COMMIT BODILY HARM. Thats what they have to prove.
Besides - it may not have been aggressive because he could have been trying to keep the kid in sight until the cops arrived.

BOOM, reasonable doubt, Defense rests, prove us wrong Prosecutors.

Insert 240 as Prosecutor -
Well,... but,... but.... he had a gun! And he called some faceless dude an asshole! It doesnt matter he has a CWP and was driving home from somewhere else! Clearly he had the intent to commit bodily harm to this kid! Cause he had a gun! It doesnt matter that the reason for having the gun on his person is completely unrelated to this event! Convict him guys, cause he had a gun on him when he chose to follow somebody that he called the cops on, when the kid took off as he was trying to tell the dispatcher where he was!

Judge-
Well, can you prove any of what he was saying false? Is there any reason to believe that he is lying about the rest of his story?

240-
Well Your honor, I cant actually disprove anything he said, but I really really feel he was lying because he called the kid an asshole and followed him!

Judge -
But you cant prove it.

240 -
Well your honor, clearly he wanted to kill the kid cause he called him an asshole! and he had a gun! And he followed him!

Judge -
240, this is supposition. Do you have ANY proof as to your claims of this mans intentions? Do you have ANY evidence WHATSOEVER that just because he had a gun on his person at the time, and he chose to follow the kid when the kid decided to take off, that he wanted to kill him?

240 -
Well... uh..... You see, he had a gun and he called him an asshole....

Judge -
Case dismissed.

Yeah, real compelling evidence ya got there.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2012, 08:05:49 PM »
LOL!   I'm laughing.  you make great points.  zimm didn't murder him nor intend to shoot him.  it happened because his ambitious ass pursued an aggressive kid for 2 blocks.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2012, 08:16:57 PM »
I know OJ did it.  I know Casey Anthony did it.  I know they walked.

I also know juries punish people when they feel the law doesn't punish a person who caused a death.

I predict this will happen here.  It's not right, not legal, but I think it'll happen. 

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2012, 09:16:49 PM »
As the argument would go in such a case, aggression is escalation.  This would cause at least part of the responsibility for damage to be placed with anyone who acted as an aggressor.

This is why it will ride on a single question.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2012, 12:49:17 AM »
Aside from Zimm's own self-serving words...

what other witness claims they saw trayvon doing the attacking?  Link please?

I thought the only witness testimonies was that they all looked out once the fight was already on the ground.  Nobody saw it start.  the only witnesses were Tm's GF on the phone, and zimm himself.   Is that 'what we know'?   Or is there another witness?

So if there were no witnesses to say who started the attack, how can you make such statements as "He was just a kid going straight home buying candy"

It's absurd to make such ridiculous statements when they directly conflict with Zimmermans account.  You have no evidence to base this on other than "that's just how I feel".  Which doesn't mean jack shit in the court of law.  I feel you are a racist homophobe.  I have no direct evidence of this other than that's just how I feel, therefore it's now a fact.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2012, 01:08:11 AM »
Oh good... I was thinking we needed another thread on this crap.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2012, 03:12:59 AM »
Oh good... I was thinking we needed another thread on this crap.
They should have the argument wrapped up in a couple of hours.
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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2012, 04:35:05 AM »
So if there were no witnesses to say who started the attack, how can you make such statements as "He was just a kid going straight home buying candy"

It's absurd to make such ridiculous statements when they directly conflict with Zimmermans account.  You have no evidence to base this on other than "that's just how I feel".  Which doesn't mean jack shit in the court of law.  I feel you are a racist homophobe.  I have no direct evidence of this other than that's just how I feel, therefore it's now a fact.

Both men entered the park at about the same time.   They were headed to destinations on diff sides of the park.

Except...

Zimm swung a hard left and went 2 more blocks away from his home to follow trayvon.
Trayvon was making a direct beeline for his GF's dad's house.  she was on the phone expecting him.

Trayvon was almost there.  Zimm was nowhere near his house.

Look at the X.   Remember that zimm lived clear on the other side of the park.  Look at the path trayvon took.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2012, 04:49:30 AM »
Both men entered the park at about the same time.   They were headed to destinations on diff sides of the park.

Except...

Zimm swung a hard left and went 2 more blocks away from his home to follow trayvon.
Trayvon was making a direct beeline for his GF's dad's house.  she was on the phone expecting him.

Trayvon was almost there.  Zimm was nowhere near his house.

Look at the X.   Remember that zimm lived clear on the other side of the park.  Look at the path trayvon took.
Oh good lord.
Notice how it says "Trayvons "Assumed" path? Zimmermans "assumed" path?
That means they DONT FUCKING KNOW and cant prove it.

Good job bringing in another worthless argument with no evidence.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2012, 04:56:06 AM »
they know he didn't turn right and go toward zimm's house.

they know zimm didn't turn right and go home.

the shit went down almost to trayvon's destination.  zimm had no business there - but hey those fcking asshole burglars needed dealt with.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2012, 04:58:38 AM »
they know he didn't turn right and go toward zimm's house.

they know zimm didn't turn right and go home.

the shit went down almost to trayvon's destination.  zimm had no business there - but hey those fcking asshole burglars needed dealt with.
Yup, glad you have the evidence to prove what your saying.
Glad you have evidence that Zimmerman had no business being in the fucking neighborhood he was on the watch for, you fucking dunce.
Glad you have the evidence to prove Zimmerman wrong.
Brutal lack of cognitive skills.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2012, 05:03:52 AM »
hey, the same neighborhood watch this guy was in charge of had a nice "you cannot carry a firearm" policy.

SO any umbrella of authority he claims just went out the window.

He was a prick drunk (documented) who assaulted multiple people (documented) who couldn't fight (documented) and he decided to carry a gun (documented) and interfere with the law-abiding affairs of others who lived on the other side of the park (documented).   Good luck explaining it to the jury.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2012, 05:04:24 AM »
Yup, glad you have the evidence to prove what your saying.
Glad you have evidence that Zimmerman had no business being in the fucking neighborhood he was on the watch for, you fucking dunce.
Glad you have the evidence to prove Zimmerman wrong.
Brutal lack of cognitive skills.

180 doesnt even realize how absurd he has come across these past few years.  

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« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2012, 05:07:38 AM »
180 doesnt even realize how absurd he has come across these past few years. 

zimm was carrying a weapon, which directly violated the neighborhood association rules. 

additionally, he has no legal authority.  To touch or confront anyone.  He was running 'key checks' months ago.  no authority to do so.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2012, 05:09:53 AM »
hey, the same neighborhood watch this guy was in charge of had a nice "you cannot carry a firearm" policy.

SO any umbrella of authority he claims just went out the window.

He was a prick drunk (documented) who assaulted multiple people (documented) who couldn't fight (documented) and he decided to carry a gun (documented) and interfere with the law-abiding affairs of others who lived on the other side of the park (documented).   Good luck explaining it to the jury.
Wait... your saying he had no business being in the neighborhood he lived in (You know, cause he was on the neighborhood watch there), and then go on to say he had no business carrying a gun, even though he has a CWP and was on the way home and not "actively" on watch?

You make no fucking sense. You have no proof he touched or confronted anyone. You cant back up any of your shit.
You keep lying to try and make your bullshit seem plausible, but yet every time you ask, you cannot seem to come up with ANYTHING to actually support, well, anything.

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2012, 05:11:31 AM »
Wait... your saying he had no business being in the neighborhood he lived in (You know, cause he was on the neighborhood watch there), and then go on to say he had no business carrying a gun, even though he has a CWP and was on the way home and not "actively" on watch?

You make no fucking sense. You have no proof he touched or confronted anyone. You cant back up any of your shit.
You keep lying to try and make your bullshit seem plausible, but yet every time you ask, you cannot seem to come up with ANYTHING to actually support, well, anything.


Why are you wasting so much time trying to rationalize a subject with 180? 

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2012, 05:12:32 AM »
he had no biz claiming any authority of 'neighborhood watch captain' if his carrying a gun violated one of their BIG rules.

If he was just some random cock out for a walk, cool.  But he was claiming a position of authority, while undermining that authority by carrying a gun while doing so.  

There's a good reason you aren't aupposed to pack a piece while running thru the yards following unknown people.  

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Re: zimmerman history, media must have forgot this part
« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2012, 05:13:35 AM »
hey, the same neighborhood watch this guy was in charge of had a nice "you cannot carry a firearm" policy.

SO any umbrella of authority he claims just went out the window.

He was a prick drunk (documented) who assaulted multiple people (documented) who couldn't fight (documented) and he decided to carry a gun (documented) and interfere with the law-abiding affairs of others who lived on the other side of the park (documented).   Good luck explaining it to the jury.
How many altercations? What was the circumstances? What "multiplte people" (Cause I only know of one, which was wrapped up with the same altercation of the alcohol charge. And where did the "couldnt fight" come from?
He decided to carry a gun at the Police's suggestion, they told he pepper spray wouldnt work on big dogs so to get a gun.
Good luck proving he "interfered" with the affairs of a law abiding citizen bro, when you cant even prove he didnt do what he said.

He's not there to apologize for his previous life you fucking dunce. The prosecution is there to prove his story wrong.