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Republican strategist Karl Rove gives Obama the advantage in his first Electoral College Map polling memo:

In the first Karl Rove & Co. 2012 Electoral College map, there are 18 states (220 Electoral College votes) where Obama has a solid lead and 15 states (93 EC votes) polling solidly for Romney, according to the latest polling average in each state. There are six states with a combined 82 EC votes classified as “toss-­-ups” (IA, FL, MO, NC, SC, VA); five states (MI, NH, NV, OH, PA) with a combined 64 EC votes that “lean” Obama; and six states (AZ, GA, KY, SD, TN, TX) with a combined 79 EC votes that “lean” Romney. In other words, there are 17 states and a total of 225 Electoral College votes up for grabs.

Top line math: that's 284 "safe" or "lean" Obama, versus 157 "safe" or "lean" Romney states.

more: http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/04/rove-obama-has-the-electoral-college-lead-121786.html

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2012, 05:54:35 AM »
Ridiculous.  That map uis purte nonsense since rove is including states that obama has zero chance in and will go right back into the red camp as soon as the fall approaches.

right now - between less turn out by young people for the communist traitor, indes pissed off at obama failed presidency, i see obama losing in a landslide like 2010 or worse. 

Remember - none of you morons saw that coming but only a few of us. 

The Kim Kardashian presidency is coming to an end.   

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 05:58:41 AM »
Reading the comments section of that makes me have no idea how the election will turn out.  So many sheep......
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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 06:00:32 AM »
i don't like rove but he knows politics,i'll trust his opinion over some internet shut-in  ;D

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 06:04:56 AM »
i don't like rove but he knows politics,i'll trust his opinion over some internet shut-in  ;D

LOL.  Rove is a pofs who barely scraped by in 2000 and 2004 and was directly responsible along with GWB for the gop losses in 2006.  He is vastly over rated. 

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 06:12:22 AM »
lol, he got bush elected 2 times,i would say he knows more about politics than our 24/7 getbig shut-in  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 06:21:40 AM »
lol, he got bush elected 2 times,i would say he knows more about politics than our 24/7 getbig shut-in  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yeah - had gore won his home state and kerry ohio - - both which nearly happened, and gore won the pop vote in 2000 remember and the fiasco in florida?

In 2004 - the economy was good and many came out to vote based on all the states with anyi gay marriage things on the ballot.   I worked that election for the RNC , as well as 2000, and 2008 and can tell you bush spend a ton of money and had a great org, and he still almost lost twice. 

Obama is in DEEEEEEPPPPP trouble and you can try to mask it however you like. 

In 2008 McCain ran a disastrous campaign, bush fatigue, the economy melted down, obama had no record, 24/7 msm kneepadding,  record turnout for blacks, college kids, etc. 

In site of all that McLame lost only by less than 6 points. 

obama has none of those things going for him this time and has a record he cant defend.  Romney is a far better nominee than mclame and actually wants to win. and will be better funded. 


If you think this thing is a lock for obama - you are so delusional its not funny.     

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 06:42:21 AM »
hahhaaha i'm sure rove is pulling for obama  :D :D :D let's face it the repubs had this election easy,and this is the best canidate they could run  :D :D

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 06:47:03 AM »
Ridiculous.  That map uis purte nonsense since rove is including states that obama has zero chance in a

which states?

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 06:59:45 AM »
which states?

They have MO and SC as a tossup? Really? You honestly believe Obama has any chance of winning MO and SC?

They have NV and OH leaning Obama. Really? You dont think those are tossup states?

What's really pathetic is that they have Texas leaning Romney and not solid Romney. Really?

1. This stuff relies mostly on polls that use registered voters instead of likely voters. Republicans always do better among just likely voters instead of registered voters. The disadvantage to relying on parasites as your base is that it is tough to get them out to actually vote when you take away thier dignity. And now that the new Repubilcan state legislatures have gotten rid of a lot of this same day registration non sense, it will be even tougher. Also, the challenger almost always gets most of the undecided votes.

2. The General Election season has just started. People dont even know Romney yet and dont even know who he is. Some have never even heard of him. That's why an incumbent is supposed to be well ahead right now.  This is not where Obama needs to be right now AND HE KNOWS IT.

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 07:03:36 AM »
They have MO and SC as a tossup? Really? You honestly believe Obama has any chance of winning MO and SC?

They have NV and OH leaning Obama. Really? You dont think those are tossup states?

What's really pathetic is that they have Texas leaning Romney and not solid Romney. Really?

1. This stuff relies mostly on polls that use registered voters instead of likely voters. Republicans always do better among just likely voters instead of registered voters. The disadvantage to relying on parasites as your base is that it is tough to get them out to actually vote when you take away thier dignity. And now that the new Repubilcan state legislatures have gotten rid of a lot of this same day registration non sense, it will be even tougher.

2. The General Election season has just started. People dont even know Romney yet and dont even know who he is. Some have never even heard of him. That's why an incumbent is supposed to be well ahead right now.  This is not where Obama needs to be right now AND HE KNOWS IT.




The thing to is that Obama RARELY ever gets to even 50% in any polls whether it be vs romney or in approval. 

For an incumbent who has been campaignin g for four years and raising tens of millions of dollars, has the media doing his bidding every day, etc, obama is in bad shape. 

Look, I hate romney, but its ABO for most people. 

The same tools like 180, blackass, straw, benny, et al who NEVER saw the 2010 landslide coming are going to be the same idiots who wake up after election day in a puddle of tears that their messiah and the democrat senate are gone. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 07:04:57 AM »
They have MO and SC as a tossup? Really? You honestly believe Obama has any chance of winning MO and SC?

Rove does.  And it's 3-5 points there at the moment, right?  statistical tie?

obama has the incumbent factor, huge ground game, and we all know that romney needs 6x the money to squeak out a narrow win against santorum.  Obama will have about the same amount of money, and is a shitload smarter than santorum.

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 07:06:12 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 07:06:22 AM »
LOL.  Rove is a pofs who barely scraped by in 2000 and 2004 and was directly responsible along with GWB for the gop losses in 2006.  He is vastly over rated. 


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Really????  Of course, in your blindness of rage I guess you've forgotten all the threads you've posting praising Karl Rove when he was blasting Obama on a subject..... ::)


You can't have it both ways, you stupid fucktard
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 07:16:48 AM »

 ::)

Really????  Of course, in your blindness of rage I guess you've forgotten all the threads you've posting praising Karl Rove when he was blasting Obama on a subject..... ::)


You can't have it both ways, you stupid fucktard

Can you please bump those. 

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"The Decline and Despair President"
Townhall.com ^ | October 28, 2011 | Hugh Hewitt
Posted on October 28, 2011 10:18:31 AM EDT by Kaslin

"We have lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge..."

That was President Obama on Tuesday, October 25, 2011, speaking to a fundraiser in San Francisco, expanding on the premise of his presidency, that America is in decline.

The president has made such statements a recurring theme of his speeches going back to his campaign, though it isn't clear whether they just pop out of his inner Alinksy or that they cross the teleprompter in front of him.

In Mumbai in 2010 he said the US was no longer in a position to "meet the rest of the world economically on our terms".

"The fact of the matter is that for most of my lifetime and I'll turn 50 next year - the US was such an enormously dominant economic power, we were such a large market, our industry, our technology, our manufacturing was so significant that we always met the rest of the world economically on our terms," the president told his foreign audience. "And now because of the incredible rise of India and China and Brazil and other countries, the US remains the largest economy and the largest market, but there is real competition."

Apple faces real competition, but it hasn't declined. It is thriving. But our president assumes American decline instead of assuming that we would win any competition, and handily.

In the UK, Telegraph columnist Nile Gardiner calls Obama "the decline and despair president."

The most famous expression of the president's disdain for the notion that America is a superpower and exceptionally situated and equipped to lead the world came a year before his remarks in India, when at the European summit of the Group of 20 in 2009, he quipped, “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”

Andrew Sullivan for one denied that the president meant what he said here, and rose to his defense in 2010 with an extended quote from this same "Greek exceptionalism" speech in which the president professes pride in the United States and its core values, but this misses the point of what the president believes to be the arc of American history right now. "What cannot be done honestly, in my view, is to create a narrative from all of [the president's moves] to describe Obama as an anti-American hyper-leftist, spending the US into oblivion."

But now the president's talk of lost ambition and ruined imagination ends the debate that Sullivan attempted to join. The president keeps providing those whom Sullivan criticizes with more evidence of his bleak view of the American future, and the left is helpless to defend him when the president simply insists on telling it the way he sees it.

"What's especially remarkable about this hackery," wrote Sullivan a year ago "is that these conservative authors don't just egregiously misrepresent the president's actual position. It's that all of them actually cite, as evidence, an out of context line from the very speech that proves their analysis is wrong."

"You can call this truthiness if you like," he concluded." Better, the Dish believes, to call it what it is. A deliberate campaign of misinformation. A Big Lie."

The trouble for Sullivan's argument is the evidence. The president went abroad early in his presidency, and the result was what is widely known, correctly, as "the apology tour."

"President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour," Karl Rove wrote in the Wall Street Journal on April 23, 2009. "In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors."

Rove continued:

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that decisions about the world financial system were no longer made by "just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy" -- as if that were a bad thing. And in Latin America, he said the U.S. had not "pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors" because we "failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas."
After the first apology tour came the "Greek exceptionalism" moment, and after that his Mumbai confession and now his San Francisco sigh. The apologies merged with the dire assessments and have evolved into explicit pessimism.

"We have lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge..."

This is not the man to lead an American renaissance, any more than Jimmy Carter could be expected to rise above his personal sense of malaise which he projected on to the country thirty years ago.

 
 
 
took about 30 seconds to find this, sure i can find 5o more but have better things to do that go back in time,unlike yourself

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"The Decline and Despair President"
Townhall.com ^ | October 28, 2011 | Hugh Hewitt
Posted on October 28, 2011 10:18:31 AM EDT by Kaslin

"We have lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge..."

That was President Obama on Tuesday, October 25, 2011, speaking to a fundraiser in San Francisco, expanding on the premise of his presidency, that America is in decline.

The president has made such statements a recurring theme of his speeches going back to his campaign, though it isn't clear whether they just pop out of his inner Alinksy or that they cross the teleprompter in front of him.

In Mumbai in 2010 he said the US was no longer in a position to "meet the rest of the world economically on our terms".

"The fact of the matter is that for most of my lifetime and I'll turn 50 next year - the US was such an enormously dominant economic power, we were such a large market, our industry, our technology, our manufacturing was so significant that we always met the rest of the world economically on our terms," the president told his foreign audience. "And now because of the incredible rise of India and China and Brazil and other countries, the US remains the largest economy and the largest market, but there is real competition."

Apple faces real competition, but it hasn't declined. It is thriving. But our president assumes American decline instead of assuming that we would win any competition, and handily.

In the UK, Telegraph columnist Nile Gardiner calls Obama "the decline and despair president."

The most famous expression of the president's disdain for the notion that America is a superpower and exceptionally situated and equipped to lead the world came a year before his remarks in India, when at the European summit of the Group of 20 in 2009, he quipped, “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”

Andrew Sullivan for one denied that the president meant what he said here, and rose to his defense in 2010 with an extended quote from this same "Greek exceptionalism" speech in which the president professes pride in the United States and its core values, but this misses the point of what the president believes to be the arc of American history right now. "What cannot be done honestly, in my view, is to create a narrative from all of [the president's moves] to describe Obama as an anti-American hyper-leftist, spending the US into oblivion."

But now the president's talk of lost ambition and ruined imagination ends the debate that Sullivan attempted to join. The president keeps providing those whom Sullivan criticizes with more evidence of his bleak view of the American future, and the left is helpless to defend him when the president simply insists on telling it the way he sees it.

"What's especially remarkable about this hackery," wrote Sullivan a year ago "is that these conservative authors don't just egregiously misrepresent the president's actual position. It's that all of them actually cite, as evidence, an out of context line from the very speech that proves their analysis is wrong."

"You can call this truthiness if you like," he concluded." Better, the Dish believes, to call it what it is. A deliberate campaign of misinformation. A Big Lie."

The trouble for Sullivan's argument is the evidence. The president went abroad early in his presidency, and the result was what is widely known, correctly, as "the apology tour."

"President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour," Karl Rove wrote in the Wall Street Journal on April 23, 2009. "In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors."

Rove continued:

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that decisions about the world financial system were no longer made by "just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy" -- as if that were a bad thing. And in Latin America, he said the U.S. had not "pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors" because we "failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas."
After the first apology tour came the "Greek exceptionalism" moment, and after that his Mumbai confession and now his San Francisco sigh. The apologies merged with the dire assessments and have evolved into explicit pessimism.

"We have lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge..."

This is not the man to lead an American renaissance, any more than Jimmy Carter could be expected to rise above his personal sense of malaise which he projected on to the country thirty years ago.

 
 
 
took about 30 seconds to find this, sure i can find 5o more but have better things to do that go back in time,unlike yourself



Please show me where i pimped rove. 

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2012, 07:30:25 AM »
you just used rove to shit on obama,come on pretend lawyer get with it  :D :D :D

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2012, 07:32:36 AM »
you just used rove to shit on obama,come on pretend lawyer get with it  :D :D :D

Where?  Hugh Hewitt wrote that article.

BTW - I would use madoff and vanderslloot to shit on slumbama if i could.   Obama is the worst disaster ever to hold office in this country.   

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2012, 07:35:50 AM »
"President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour," Karl Rove wrote in the Wall Street Journal on April 23, 2009. "In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors."

Rove continued:

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that decisions about the world financial system were no longer made by "just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy" -- as if that were a bad thing. And in Latin America, he said the U.S. had not "pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors" because we "failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas."
After the first apology tour came the "Greek exceptionalism" moment, and after that his Mumbai confession and now his San Francisco sigh. The apologies merged with the dire assessments and have evolved into explicit pessimism.

"We have lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge..."

This is not the man to lead an American renaissance, any more than Jimmy Carter could be expected to rise above his personal sense of malaise which he projected on to the country thirty years ago.

 
 
 
took about 30 seconds to find this, sure i can find 5o more but have better things to do that go back in time,unlike yourself

are you playing dumb or are you really this fu#king stupid

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2012, 07:38:40 AM »
"President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour," Karl Rove wrote in the Wall Street Journal on April 23, 2009. "In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors."

Rove continued:

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that decisions about the world financial system were no longer made by "just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy" -- as if that were a bad thing. And in Latin America, he said the U.S. had not "pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors" because we "failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas."
After the first apology tour came the "Greek exceptionalism" moment, and after that his Mumbai confession and now his San Francisco sigh. The apologies merged with the dire assessments and have evolved into explicit pessimism.

"We have lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge..."

This is not the man to lead an American renaissance, any more than Jimmy Carter could be expected to rise above his personal sense of malaise which he projected on to the country thirty years ago.

 
 
 
took about 30 seconds to find this, sure i can find 5o more but have better things to do that go back in time,unlike yourself

are you playing dumb or are you really this fu#king stupid


Bump one post of mine saying Rove was a good guy or a genius etc?   Rove is a disgusting hack who helped GWB destroy the GOP from 2000 -2008

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Re: Rove admits Obama way up in his first EC map -- Obama 284 Romney 157
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2012, 07:39:28 AM »
rove is clearly a wise political mind of our time. 

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2012, 07:42:34 AM »
rove is clearly a wise political mind of our time. 


Yeah - took a real genius to give the house and senate to pelosi in 2006, focus on amnesty in 2005, put harriet meirs up for the SC, etc.   

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2012, 07:44:56 AM »

Bump one post of mine saying Rove was a good guy or a genius etc?   Rove is a disgusting hack who helped GWB destroy the GOP from 2000 -2008

i'm done with this, it's like arguing with a retard.in fact i'm beginning to think you might be a bit retarded.you knew what Vince G, CSN MFT was talking about,maybe he can come back and explan it to the retarded one

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2012, 07:45:28 AM »

Yeah - took a real genius to give the house and senate to pelosi in 2006, focus on amnesty in 2005, put harriet meirs up for the SC, etc.  

Did you miss his achievements with Bush earlier on?

Nobody coudl have reversed the tide of anti-Bush sentiment in 06 and 08.  

33, if I came out saying "Rove doesn't know his shit" yesterday, you'd call me a kneepadder.  He is a smar tman.  Just like cheney, gore, dubya, obama, and most at the top.