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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2012, 07:51:27 PM »
plus his stress levels were probably off the charts...imagine jet lag, straight to jail, court, prison while coming off a cycle etc

he has been mentally fucked for a while now between losing an olympia title he should have had, sister's murder, etc

we all have issues, not making excuses, but give the guy a break about his physique...maybe he is just doing it right and waiting for
a ridiculous response from being off and starting again...we will see how it works with Jay...well, Jay is not off but minimal compared to the last couple decades

vic has all the bodybuilding potential in the world, he still has time left but he never delivers...not sure if he is lazy or a mind case

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I can understand poking fun and having a laugh but whats with the venomous hate towards these guys and especially their drug use. We all know they use drugs its part of the sport if you want to take it up a level. But if it was just drugs we would all be that big.

I cant understand why if you hated these guys so much why you would come here.

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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2012, 07:54:35 PM »
There you are young lady. A pic of Tookie a decade in San Quentin's Deat Row. Stop those tears.

Whats your point?  Hes no Victor is he. But im sure if he had found bbing he would have been the best because of his genetics blah blah blah  ::) . There are plenty of polynesian kids in the south pacific who would dwarf this guy. Doesnt mean they will be the next Mr. O.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2012, 07:56:44 PM »
Grimek wasnt natural you dumb shit.no era of bodybuilding probably before the 1940s was.get it it out of your head it was "all natural" in your day.

Grimek was already huge in the late 1920's and 1930's.  

Unless you can prove otherwise, he was natural....and you can't prove otherwise.









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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2012, 07:58:51 PM »
Whats your point?  Hes no Victor is he. But im sure if he had found bbing he would have been the best because of his genetics blah blah blah  ::) . There are plenty of polynesian kids in the south pacific who would dwarf this guy. Doesnt mean they will be the next Mr. O.

Been there.  They're all a bunch of fat fucks.  Big but fat.  I don't deny there is muscle but it's buried under layers of fat.
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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2012, 08:00:24 PM »
Whats your point?  Hes no Victor is he. But im sure if he had found bbing he would have been the best because of his genetics blah blah blah  ::) . There are plenty of polynesian kids in the south pacific who would dwarf this guy. Doesnt mean they will be the next Mr. O.
The point is: Tookie was over a decade in San Quentin's Death Row with poor food, the stress of a death sentence, the stress of prison life, no steroids. How come he looks so much better than "AIDS face" Victor who only did months in a half ass lockup?

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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2012, 09:17:35 PM »
there are steroids in prison all the time if the inmate has the right connections. usually comes in through the kitchen and people obviously make money in the process.

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2012, 03:06:55 AM »
this is the result of that dick gh15 spruiking his "all juice" message to the masses.

Grimek may have been one of the first dbol users, but prior to dbol even being around, some forms of test was around, but it was hardly accessible nor usable.

the majority of bbs back in that time wouldnt have used. and even those who were in the early dbol era didnt smash it for some time.

remember, even prior to the 50s weight training was hardly accepted as a pursuit...even acknowledged to increase muscle size...and the methods werent formulated either...people had very little understanding of what worked and why.

put al that together and you have some amazing results...

heck, find genetically gifted people these days, who are totally natural and weight train doing all the right things and you will see some impressive achievements.

for the genetically average, or below average, weight training for size and strength is a losing battle however.

the truth is, that some people can build impressive physiques drug free...

and that drugs ARE NOT required by everyone to achieve it.

other things create illusion also, like low bodyfat and so on..making someone who is relatively "small", appear impressive.

GH15 was right about some stuff, mostly pro usage...but completely wrong about alot more.

but he tells it like he sees it...if u grew up in a commune where daddy has sex with everyone, then u think this is normal dont you?... GH15 has spent his life in a commune.

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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2012, 03:18:06 AM »
The point is: Tookie was over a decade in San Quentin's Death Row with poor food, the stress of a death sentence, the stress of prison life, no steroids. How come he looks so much better than "AIDS face" Victor who only did months in a half ass lockup?

Maybe because he used his gang influence to get other peoples food. Prison life isnt stressful to guys like this are you kidding its a holiday. And he doesnt even look that great biggish leanish nothing special plenty of guys look like this. To be honest he has nothing to do all day apart from lifting so he should look leaner.

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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2012, 03:32:06 AM »
uh, ok, prove that ronnie coleman used steroids ::)



All broccoli and chicken breast.  ::)

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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2012, 03:33:47 AM »


This story left me with only one question.

which is better muscle builder; gallon of milk or "American pride"




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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2012, 04:05:19 AM »
yes, could be straight out of felx magazine.

gallon of milk.

"bodybuilder" lex reeves(what an idiotic nameplay btw) has tried gallons of semen and it didnt work good enough to post a pic of himself.

maybe he should try to add some american pride to his supplement regiment ::)

he is too busy trying to double his daily semen intake to take pictures.

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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2012, 07:49:11 AM »
It is well document that Grimek was one of the first US lifter to use performance-enhancing drugs. However it was near the end of his career when he was working as editor of Strength and Health.

Dr.John Ziegler (who would later intriduce dianabol to US lifters) was the doctor for the US national weightlifting team at an internationl competition (1954 world championships) and he was told by the Russian team doctor that their lifter used testosterone injections.

Dr. Ziegler had Grimek experiment with testosterone injection afterwards. Suposedly Grimek didn't like the effects, it left him sluggish and weaker (according to him).

Then Grimek, along with Bill Marsh and Louie Ricke (two olympic lifters) became the first guinea pig for dianabol (1958).

In all fairness, testosterone was first synthesized as a relatively impure substance (still potent) in 1927 and European scientists started studying it in 1935. And the role of testosterone in human performance was established in 1945.

So saying that Grimek was a lifetime natural is erroneous. However we can assume that before 1952 he was natural and he won all of his contests before that. There is still the possibility that he had access to testosterone injections as early as 1945ish, but it is unlikely given the reported experimentations.

The following link is a pretty thorough history of it all:

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1987/JSH1401/jsh1401g.pdf

The subject at hand is being discussed starting on page 93


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Re: The Truth About Natural Vs. Drug Induced Physiques Revealed
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2012, 08:02:33 AM »
Grimek was one of the first Dbol users
:o  york where it all began.
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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2012, 09:15:58 AM »
if you think drugs had anything to do with guys like grimek and reeves your stupid.  look at their physiques when they were teens  :o  still, they were gods and the rest of us are mere humans who need the drugs to look good.