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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 12:32:31 PM »
Bump. I don't see a single Obama drone posting in this thread.

we're too upset about trayvon.   i can't believe zimm didn't get bail revoked for that that myspace page.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 12:34:42 PM »
we're too upset about trayvon.   i can't believe zimm didn't get bail revoked for that that myspace page.

Fuck off, you thread derailing c*nt.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 01:04:28 PM »
Dismal Job Growth and Stagnation Will Unseat Obama
 
By EDWARD MORRISSEY, The Fiscal Times

May 3, 2012





For months, the Obama administration has told American voters that the nation had turned the corner on a stagnant recovery. Job creation picked up in December, January, and February, averaging a decent if unspectacular 217,000 jobs added monthly during that period.

     
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It seemed as though the economy would provide the White House with momentum heading into a tough election fight -- not just for the White House but also for the Senate where Democrats have to defend 23 of the 33 seats up for election this year.  Evidence of success from Barack Obama’s economic policies might keep both in Democratic hands, especially as voters start taking the election seriously this summer.

A month ago, the March numbers dashed those hopes.  Job creation slowed significantly to 120,000, and a few weeks later, the GDP report for the first quarter provided some explanation.  Growth slowed from a pedestrian 3.0 percent in the fourth quarter of 2011 to a stagnation-level 2.2 percent.  Still, the White House suggested that this was merely a hiccup in an overall improvement for job creation and economic growth.  One month does not a trend make, after all.

Yesterday, though, the monthly report from ADP, the nation’s largest private-sector payroll management firm, indicated that April might actually be worse than March.  ADP produces a projection based on a sample of a half-million of its anonymous customers, comprising 21 million payroll jobs. 

That’s not unlike the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which derives its job-related data from two surveys, one of households and the other of businesses.  Gallup has a semi-monthly report that uses a sample roughly half that of the BLS’ 60,000 households, but samples continuously throughout the month rather than at one fixed time.  Between the three, analysts can get a pretty good idea of how well the economy is creating jobs.

In its April report, ADP estimated that the private sector added only 119,000 jobs, just a little over half of their estimate in March (201,000).  For the first time since September, ADP estimated a net job loss in manufacturing, down 5,000 jobs.  Construction also lost 5,000 jobs, the first losses in seven months, at a time of year when one would expect construction firms to need more employees.  Large companies practically stopped hiring altogether, adding only 4,000 jobs -- the slowest performance in six months.

Gallup’s last report is a little more dated, but no more optimistic.  The mid-month numbers show seasonally-adjusted unemployment sharply increasing from March’s 8.1 percent to 8.5 percent in April, while the percentage of Americans working part-time while wanting full-time work rose from 9.6 percent to 9.9 percent.  Gallup warns that the numbers could “indicate a significant reversal in the recent downward trend of the government's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate.”

The actual jobless rate will rely on a quirk in the BLS measurement, as CNN pointed out in its coverage of the ADP report: “The unemployment rate is not expected to fall beyond its current 8.2 percent, unless more workers leave the labor force.”  When people leave the work force, it improves the topline unemployment rate, a statistical point that hadn’t been an issue until the aftermath of the past recession. In order to understand that well-publicized rate, one has to keep in mind that it describes an increasingly smaller work force, as this BLS chart of civilian participation in the workforce over the last ten years demonstrates:

 


This hides the effects of poor job creation.  Had the participation rate remained constant from pre-recession levels, the jobless rate would be around 12 percent at the moment.  The BLS uses the same measures as it always has, but this particular calculation only works for comparative purposes in a stable working population. Even from the point of the recovery’s beginning in June 2009, we clearly have continued erosion.

In their book Debacle, John Lott and Grover Norquist compare the Obama recovery to that of the 1982 recovery under Ronald Reagan.  The double-dip 1980-81 recession was longer and produced higher unemployment than that of the so-called Great Recession, and it followed a decade of stagnation, “stagflation,” high interest rates, ill-considered wage and price controls, and energy shocks.  Yet in the 29 months that followed the 1982 recovery, the American economy expanded jobs by 8 percent.  In contrast, the Obama recovery in the same period only grew jobs in the US by 0.25 percent:

 

 
The engine of job creation has been derailed.  We are now years behind the curve, and as the economic indicators keep showing, we continue to do no more than tread water.  Factory orders and durable goods hit three-year lows in March, and so it will come as no shock if jobs match that pattern.  We will see whether the pessimistic indicators accurately predict the BLS employment report tomorrow.  Given the rise of weekly initial claims for unemployment benefits and the recent history, the betting will be toward another month of slow job creation rather than a return to the relatively more robust winter growth figures.

What happens when job creation fails to maintain any momentum?  The closer the election comes, the worse it is for President Obama.  His campaign has lately occupied itself with just about every topic except the economy and job creation, including a silly attack on Mitt Romney as insufficiently ruthless to kill Osama bin Laden after months of painting him as a ruthless killer of jobs as a Bain executive.  Whether it’s contraception or Swiss bank accounts, the Obama campaign seizes on any momentary distraction it can find to avert attention from jobs and the economy.

A poor report tomorrow will make that impossible, at least for a few days.  The mild momentum of the winter would have given way to another stagnant spring, the third in a row, as David Gregory pointed out to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner on Meet the Press in April.  Even a mildly positive report – say, growth in the 165,000 range, as Wall Street Journal’s Marketwatch consensus expects, will raise questions about whether the current economic and regulatory climate will ever allow for the kind of recovery we saw in the 1980s, or for that matter, under George W. Bush after the 2003 recession.

If the White House doesn’t have any answers other than to point to Romney’s wealth and the Buffett Rule, Romney will be happy to discuss job creation and economic growth with voters instead.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 01:21:00 PM »
Even After Jobless Claims, Jobs Picture Isn’t Pretty
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By Paul Vigna



We got two more pieces of the jobs picture this morning. Let’s look at them:
 
First, initial claims took a big dive last week, dropping 27,000 to 365,000. You can all breathe now. It’s not all sun and roses, of course. Last week’s initial claims were revised higher, as they are seemingly every week, to 392,000, a distressing number. The four-week average nudged up by 750 to 383,000, still too high.
 
Also, announced jobs cuts rose 7.1% in April, according to Challenger, Gray & Christmas, to 40,599 — and up 11.2% from last April — another bit of evidence that the jobs market isn’t doing well.
 
The research firm noted that a little less than 25% of the cuts came from the education sector, as the public sector deals with its own crippling debt load. Still, Challenger put a hedging spin on it.
 
“While job gains may indeed hit a lull in the coming months, we do not foresee a sudden upsurge in downsizing activity,” the firm wrote.
 
To help you sift through the morass, we’d like to create another in a string of anecdotal indicators that don’t really mean anything but are fun to play around with anyway, like the Super Bowl indicator, the hemline index, and the underwear index. We’ve come up this: the my-doctor-says-people-can’t-find-jobs index.
 
This one is based on a complex mathematical formula developed by a team of MIT grad students working in remote locations around the country and it goes something like this: MarketBeat’s doctor said yesterday that the people coming into his office that don’t have jobs still can’t find jobs. So, there. Try and deconstruct that one, you raging bulls.
 
Now then, all that considered, where exactly do we stand on the jobs front? Here’s a scorecard:
 
-Weekly jobless claims are sitting around 383,000, the four-week average.
 
-ADP pegs April private-sector job growth at 119,000.
 
-TrimTabs pegged April jobs growth at 116,000.
 
-Announced layoffs are rising, as per Challenger, Gray.
 
-Last month, the BLS reported 120,000 jobs were created in March. The Street expects that tomorrow, the BLS will report 168,000 jobs were created.
 
-The official unemployment rate is 8.2% — the so-called U-3 — but everybody understands by now that numbers excludes millions who have either dropped out of the labor force, or can’t find full-time work. A broader measure, the U-6, is at 14.5%.
 
Where’s that leave us? Well, it leaves us where our doctor said it does. People without jobs are still having a hard time finding jobs.
 
And take two of these and call him in the morning.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2012, 10:07:08 PM »
Ironic considering your "Obama is whooping my ass" posts a few months ago. Now you have nothing to say. How does it feel eating crow? You were cumming in your pants over holiday retail temp jobs when the rest of us called this coming. Now you're crying about how we don't praise Obama for creating 2 months worth of minimum wage jobs, haha.

Your hypocrisy is amazing. I'll give you credit, though, as I expected you to avoid this thread.

why would I avoid a hypocrite like you?..why are your figures better than anyone elses'?.....again..the figures are great when you tout them..when I tout them they are wrong and made up

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2012, 10:20:28 PM »
why would I avoid a hypocrite like you?..why are your figures better than anyone elses'?.....again..the figures are great when you tout them..when I tout them they are wrong and made up

Why on earth would anyone tout Osama's utterly pathetic economic record in the first place?

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2012, 11:16:48 PM »
Why on earth would anyone tout Osama's utterly pathetic economic record in the first place?

I never touted his overall record I did simply crow somewhat when the figures looked good for him month to month....why are you so biased?

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2012, 12:16:01 AM »
I never touted his overall record I did simply crow somewhat when the figures looked good for him month to month....why are you so biased?

I'm not biased in the least. The figures are absolutely atrocious. Only the willfully ignorant, stupid or dishonest consider Osama's fraudulent numbers to be anything but disastrous.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2012, 03:54:33 AM »
I'm not biased in the least. The figures are absolutely atrocious. Only the willfully ignorant, stupid or dishonest consider Osama's fraudulent numbers to be anything but disastrous.

yet you never consider the numbers fraudulent when they re-inforce what you believe.....wow...thats my point exactly...hence why I say you are biased

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2012, 07:19:58 AM »
It's a bad report.

What else is there to say.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2012, 07:24:14 AM »
yet you never consider the numbers fraudulent when they re-inforce what you believe.....wow...thats my point exactly...hence why I say you are biased
andre, you never look at what is behind the numbers...

the main reason the unemployment numbers have gone down at all is b/c ppl simply have stopped looking for work.

If you think that b/c the numbers going down b/c of that is good and something that should be celebrated, I really dont know what to say to you.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2012, 07:54:59 AM »
Regardless of party, these are bad #s.  The real unemployment # is higher.  The number of people dropping from the workforce is particularly bad, wonder what % of those people have given up looking.  Few would have imagined there would have been such a lackluster recovery.  Nearly always more robust recoveries after recessions.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2012, 08:12:39 AM »
andre, you never look at what is behind the numbers...

the main reason the unemployment numbers have gone down at all is b/c ppl simply have stopped looking for work.

If you think that b/c the numbers going down b/c of that is good and something that should be celebrated, I really dont know what to say to you.
not with an admin that is bent on causing the recovery to stumble by placing their social agenda ahead of the economic needs of the ppl.

I saw this coming from a ways back as did many other ppl.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2012, 08:21:14 AM »
 :).  Business and the economy is on strike until reid and peolis and obama are gone.  These three communist thugs have done incalculable damage to the nation.

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2012, 11:46:45 AM »
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the main reason the unemployment numbers have gone down at all is b/c ppl simply have stopped looking for work.

Even the mainstream media pansies are finally starting to realize this, and arent trying to spin that anymore.
Jan. Jobs: 36,000!!

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Re: Disastrous April jobs report. 119k added on expectations of 175k.
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2012, 12:22:37 PM »
Even the mainstream media pansies are finally starting to realize this, and arent trying to spin that anymore.

Te msm is in the business of shilling for Obama, not telling TJE truth.