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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2012, 05:33:44 AM »
Obama Ditches JFK's Legacy
By Debra Saunders



"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country," President John F. Kennedy famously said in his inaugural address.
 
In his bid for re-election, the hope-and-change president, Barack Obama, clearly has decided to ditch JFK's country-first approach. The Obama-Biden campaign is all about what this country can do for voters.


Last week, the Obama campaign introduced "The Life of Julia," a slide show about a fictional American that contrasts and compares the programs and services that would be available for her from age 3 under an Obama administration with those that would be available under a Mitt Romney White House.
 
GOP budget hawk Paul Ryan called the "Julia" infographic "creepy" and "demeaning."
 
He's right. Creepy? Until her son goes to kindergarten, Julia's cartoon world does not depict any males, except one, as shown in this quote: "Under President Obama: Julia decides to have a child."
 
Demeaning? The slide show sends the message that Julia needs Obama to protect her from cradle to grave -- which, in Julia's world, means from Head Start to Medicare.
 
When Julia does succeed, it's not because she worked hard and prevailed but because a paternalistic program was there to support her. She gets into college, for example, because her high school is enrolled in Obama's Race to the Top education reform.
 
When Julia graduates, she easily pays off her student loans because "Obama capped income-based federal student loan payments and kept interest rates low." Under what Team Obama calls a "Romney/Ryan" budget, however, student loan interest rates double. PolitiFact.com found that claim to be "false," as Romney supports keeping Stafford loan interest rates at 3.4 percent.
 
What happens if Julia cannot pay off her low-interest loans because she cannot get a good job in a moribund economy? "The Life of Julia" does not illustrate its heroine moving back into the home of her parents, whom we never see.
 
Does Julia ever pay federal income tax? Don't know.
 
The Tax Foundation estimates that 41 percent of tax filers pay no federal income taxes. The infographic is mute on how much Julia pays in taxes. Thus, all benefits appear as if conjured by a wave of Obama's wand, not thanks to American taxpayers.
 
"The Life of Julia" closes when Julia is 67. She retires and signs up for Social Security. With no fear of running out of money, thanks to Obama, Julia is free to volunteer at a community garden. Under Romney, the infographic warns, Julia's benefits could be cut by 40 percent. Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler found that frame to be "fairly misleading" -- as the Social Security system is on the road to insolvency. Social Security will need to be cut one way or another; the only question is when and by whom.
 
Back to Julia and Obama's role as her champion in what Democrats like to call the GOP's war against women. "From cracking down on gender discrimination in health care costs to fighting for equal pay," the infographic ends, "President Obama is standing up for women throughout their lives." Yes, he's standing up for women as men have done for millenniums: He'll say anything.

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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2012, 07:23:56 AM »
Obama would enable a nation of Julias
 The Columbia Daily Tribune ^ | May 7, 2012 | Rich Lowry




In the competition for the creepiest campaign material of 2012, we might already have a winner. It is "The Life of Julia," the Obama re-election team's cartoon chronicle of a fictional woman who is dependent on government every step of her life.

The phrase "cradle-to-grave welfare state" originated with Clement Attlee's socialist government in post-World War II Britain. Back then, it was meant as a boastful description of a new age of government activism.

Subsequently, it became a term of derision for critics of an overweening government. In the spirit of Attlee, the Obama campaign revives the concept of "cradle to grave" as it highlights Obama-supported programs that take care of Julia from age 3 to her retirement at age 67.

Julia begins her interaction with the welfare state as a little tot through the pre-kindergarten program Head Start. She then proceeds through all of life's important phases, not Shakespeare's progression from "mewling and puking" infant to "second childishness and mere oblivion," but the Health and Human Services and Education Department version: a Pell grant (age 18), surgery on insurance coverage guaranteed by Obamacare (22), a job where she can sue her employers for more pay thanks to the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (23), free contraception (27), a Small Business Administration loan (42) and, finally, Medicare (65) and Social Security (67). (In a sci-fi touch, these entitlements are presumed blissfully unchanged sometime off in the 2070s.)

No doubt, the creators of Julia — imagine a dour and featureless version of Dora the Explorer who grows old through the years — weren't seeking to make a major philosophical statement. But they inadvertently captured something important about the progressive vision.

Julia's central relationship is to the state. It is her educator, banker, health care provider, venture capitalist and retirement fund. And she is, fundamentally, a taker. Every benefit she gets is cut-rate or free. She apparently doesn't worry about paying taxes. It doesn't enter her mind that the programs supporting her might add to the debt or might have unintended consequences.

She has no moral qualms about forcing others to pay for her contraception, and her sense of patriotic duty is limited to getting as much government help as she can.

The alleged benefits to Julia are exaggerated or nonexistent. Pity the poor thing if she depends on Head Start for her launch into the world.

A study by the Department of Health and Human Services last year found that positive educational effects tend to wear off by the first grade. The government assistance she gets for financing college feeds into the maw of inexorable tuition increases. The chances that the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act is going to boost her pay, as a Web designer, are essentially nil. Julia is getting punked.

Her life is framed to show she gets more from President Barack Obama than from Republicans. The same contrast could be achieved differently. She could lose her Web-design job and go on unemployment, which President Obama always wants to extend despite Republican objections. With her family's income dropping, she could resort to the food-stamp program, which has expanded massively under President Obama despite Republicans inveighing against the trend. These examples don't suit the campaign's purposes, though. They show government to be a poor substitute for the robust recovery that President Obama hasn't delivered even as he has endeavored to make Julia's birth-control pills free.

The point of view of "The Life of Julia" is profoundly condescending. It assumes that giving people things will distract them from larger considerations of the public weal — the economy, debt, the health of the culture. This view's infantilizing tendency is captured by Obamacare's insistence that, for purposes of health insurance, young adults are children who belong on their parents' policies until the age of 26. It devalues self-reliance and looks at us less as independent citizens than as drab Julias, bereft without the succor of our life partner and minder, the state.

No thanks.


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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2012, 07:25:15 AM »
FUCKING AWESOME! 



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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2012, 07:55:12 AM »
The Morning Joe makes a good point.

The govt. is handing Julia everything, paid for by someone else. Does the govt. think that Julia is simply incapable of advancement on her own? And the next question is: "Dude, where's my free stuff?" And down the drain we go.

I'm sure strong, independent women will just eat this up. 

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2012, 09:37:35 AM »
Can We Taxpayers Expect Anything From “Julia?”
 Flopping Aces ^ | 05-08-12 | Warren Beatty







On Thursday, April 3, 2012, the Barack Obama re-election campaign released “The Life of Julia.” In it are 12 stages in the life of “Julia,” a fictional woman used to demonstrate how Obama’s policies would help her. Throughout the stages in her life, Julia is depicted as someone who benefits from the programs either created by or funded by Obama. The obvious message is that a vote for Obama will keep the largesse flowing for all, not just fictional Julia.

One very real problem with the “Julia” concept is that throughout the 12 stages nowhere is it mentioned that “Julia” ever gives back for any of the benefits she receives. That is particularly true when “Julia” is 27 years old, when she is 31 years old, when she is 37 years old, when she is 42 years old, and when she’s 67 years old.

The ad says that when “Julia” is 27 years old, she “…has worked full-time as a web designer.” Nowhere is there a mention of her “giving back,” to, as Elizabeth Warren says, “…pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

The ad continues, “Thanks to Obamacare, her health insurance is required to cover birth control ….” Now, as a man, I cannot put myself in “Julia’s” shoes, but I can think of only one reason why she would need birth control – promiscuity (women readers, please help me here). Assuming that I am correct, I (and about half of US citizens) should see some direct benefit from the money we (involuntarily) spent. Does the ad mention that? As (the late) John Belushi used to say on SNL, “Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.”

The ad says that when “Julia” is 31 years old, she “…decides to have a child.” Nowhere is a husband mentioned, so the assumption of promiscuity is supported. Again, we taxpayers who are forced to support her decision receive no direct benefits, no giving back. At this time I think it best to say that a vast majority of taxpayers would not want direct benefits from “Julia.” But that’s not the point here. We taxpayers would like to see some direct benefit from money we are paying. But the ad fails to mention how we, who pay for HER decision, will ever receive or even see the benefits.

The ad continues, “Throughout her pregnancy, she benefits from maternal checkups, prenatal care, and free screenings under health care reform.” Focus on the word “free.”

First, nothing is free. Someone, somewhere, somehow paid for “Julia’s” free services. That is true unless she somehow got the doctors, nurses, medical technicians, and office workers to donate their time, efforts, and supplies to support her decision. And that doesn’t include all the other people she had to get to donate time: the cement workers, carpenters, electricians, and roofers who built the office where she received “free” services, the banker who financed the office, the salespeople who sold all the supplies to build the office, all the people who manufactured the building supplies, or the people who provided transportation to the office. The list is literally endless.

Second, there is no free lunch, as the old saying goes. Some quid pro quo is expected. As the Merriam-Webster dictionary so well puts it, “In politics nobody does something for nothing: there’s always a quid pro quo involved.” The quid pro quo here is rather obvious: “Julia” (and all like her) should vote for Obama in order to keep all the free services coming.

The ad says that when “Julia” is 37 years old, “Julia’s son Zachary starts kindergarten.” This means that the entire “Julia” cycle begins anew.

The ad says that when “Julia” is 42 years old, she, “…starts her own web business.” That’s great for “Julia,” but did she design a web page for me or any other taxpayers? The ad continues, “President Obama’s tax cuts for small businesses like Julia’s help her to get started.” Again, great for “Julia,” but do we taxpayers see any direct benefit from the tax cuts? Nothing mentions anything about her giving back to any taxpayers who supported her.

The ad says that when “Julia” is 67 years old, she, “…retires.” The ad continues, “After years of contributing to Social Security, she receives monthly benefits that help her retire comfortably,….” There are at least two things wrong with this concept.

First, there is the “retire comfortably” concept. As can be seen here, many seniors are not able to retire comfortably. Here are two examples:

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2012, 09:38:54 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2012, 09:40:42 AM »
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Hey dipshit - you voted for this communist thug - you take ownership of this fiasco. 

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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2012, 09:47:36 AM »
Hey dipshit - you voted for this communist thug - you take ownership of this fiasco. 
Time to double down.
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2012, 09:51:34 AM »
Time to double down.

Agreed - that is what your messiah is doing - doubling down on socialism, communism, statism, etc. 


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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2012, 09:56:53 AM »
Does it make you feel tough to call me names on the internet?
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2012, 09:59:22 AM »
Does it make you feel tough to call me names on the internet?

Yes.   :P

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2012, 01:58:23 PM »
Romney mocks Obama for using Julia ‘cartoon’ to sell economic record
 By Justin Sink - 05/08/12 01:21 PM ET
www.thehill.com





Mitt Romney returned to Michigan Tuesday with a retooled stump speech that included blistering new attacks on President Obama's economic record, calling the president's platform "a throwback to the discredited policies of the past."

Romney went on to lampoon a new website from the Obama campaign — which uses a fictionalized woman named Julia to illustrate how the president's policies help female voters — as a "cartoon."


"Julia progresses from cradle to grave, showing how government makes every good thing in her life possible. The weak economy, high unemployment, falling wages, rising gas prices, the national debt, the insolvency of entitlements — all these are fictionally assumed away in a cartoon that is produced by a president who wants us to forget about them," Romney said in an address in East Lansing, Mich.

"What does it say about a president's policies when he has to use a cartoon character rather than real people to justify his record? What does it say about the fiction of old liberalism to insist that good jobs and good schools and good wages will result from policies that have failed us, time and again?"

In his speech, Romney was looking to pivot off a shaky start to his week of campaigning on Monday. The Obama campaign pounced on controversial comments made by Romney supporters in Ohio, including a woman who told the presumptive Republican candidate that the president should be tried for treason. But back in the state where Romney's father served as a popular governor — and that dealt him a crucial win to stave off Rick Santorum's challenge in the Republican primary — Romney spoke confidently from prepared remarks and with renewed emphasis on the president's economic record.

The former Massachusetts governor sought to paint a picture of Obama seeking "to apply liberal ideas of the past to the 21st century."

Romney contrasted the president's platform on welfare and healthcare to former President Clinton's, arguing the previous Democratic president had recognized that "old-school liberal" policies and expansive government were outdated.

"President Clinton said the era of big government was over. President Obama brought it back with a vengeance," Romney said.

He also played off Obama's new campaign slogan, declaring America "headed in the wrong direction. Not forward, but sideways, or worse."

"For a lot of folks, things like vacations, movies, and restaurants are things of the past … his four years have been a disappointment for all of us and a catastrophe for some of us," Romney said.

Romney's speech mostly avoided the hot-button campaign controversies of the day, focusing instead on an attack of the president's record. Although he mentioned the effect that the shuttering of the Oldsmobile automobile brand had on the East Lansing community, he did not reiterate his claim, made in Ohio Monday evening, that he would "take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry’s come back."

That assertion drew howls from the Obama campaign, who argued the recovery of the American auto industry would have been impossible without loans championed by the president and opposed by Romney.

"Mitt Romney may think he can fool the American people by hiding his belief that we should 'let Detroit go bankrupt,' but the American people won't let him," former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland said in a statement released by the Obama campaign. "His comments today that he will 'take a lot of credit that the [auto] industry has come back' are a new low in dishonesty, even for him. Mitt Romney seems to think Americans will just forget the past and his very vocal and clear opposition to the successful auto rescue."

The Obama campaign hit that theme again in a statement released following Romney's remarks.

"Mitt Romney didn’t have the courage to bet on American workers and instead said that we should ‘let Detroit go bankrupt.’ Despite his best efforts to etch-a-sketch this position, he can’t shake away the fact that if he’d had his way, the American auto industry and the millions of jobs it supports would have been devastated," Obama spokeswoman Lis Smith said.

But Romney argued his policies would usher in further success in the private sector.

"This is a time for new ideas, new answers and a new direction. That is the only way that our future can be better than the past," Romney said.


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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2012, 09:25:33 AM »
bump 

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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2012, 07:00:12 PM »
Bump

A Huge 386,000 Jobs

As if to pile on to what may be the worst two week period a presidential campaign has ever suffered, Governor Mitt Romney has now lost one of the campaign’s key narratives.

Romney can no longer claim that President Obama’s first term in office has resulted in a loss of jobs.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics is out with its annual update to benchmark unemployment numbers (for the more cynical among you, the BLS does this every fall so this is not a number being ‘timed’ for the election), and the numbers reveal that 386,000 more non-farm jobs were actually created between March, 2011 and April 2012 than what had been originally reported.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/27/bureau-of-labor-statistics-revises-job-growth-upward-by-a-huge-386000-jobs/
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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2012, 07:01:55 PM »
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A Huge 386,000 Jobs

As if to pile on to what may be the worst two week period a presidential campaign has ever suffered, Governor Mitt Romney has now lost one of the campaign’s key narratives.

Romney can no longer claim that President Obama’s first term in office has resulted in a loss of jobs.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics is out with its annual update to benchmark unemployment numbers (for the more cynical among you, the BLS does this every fall so this is not a number being ‘timed’ for the election), and the numbers reveal that 386,000 more non-farm jobs were actually created between March, 2011 and April 2012 than what had been originally reported.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/27/bureau-of-labor-statistics-revises-job-growth-upward-by-a-huge-386000-jobs/


LOL!!!!!

During Reagan there were months of 600k plus jobs you stupid fucking retard 

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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2012, 07:03:33 PM »

LOL!!!!!

During Reagan there were months of 600k plus jobs you stupid fucking retard 
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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2012, 07:04:46 PM »
Internet name calling = super tough.

No - you are trying to spin failure

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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2012, 07:56:35 PM »
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A Huge 386,000 Jobs

As if to pile on to what may be the worst two week period a presidential campaign has ever suffered, Governor Mitt Romney has now lost one of the campaign’s key narratives.

Romney can no longer claim that President Obama’s first term in office has resulted in a loss of jobs.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics is out with its annual update to benchmark unemployment numbers (for the more cynical among you, the BLS does this every fall so this is not a number being ‘timed’ for the election), and the numbers reveal that 386,000 more non-farm jobs were actually created between March, 2011 and April 2012 than what had been originally reported.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/27/bureau-of-labor-statistics-revises-job-growth-upward-by-a-huge-386000-jobs/
its not even keeping up with the population growth....why do you think the employment rate is still sky high even with record low labor force participation?


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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2012, 09:11:46 PM »
romney hasn't really been able to rely upon the economy issue since he admitted things were recovering.

he can't lean on obamacare anymore - he said the fact he delivered it to his own state showed empathy, that he cares about people.

he can't lean on 'taxes' - he admitted last week that obama didn't actually raise taxes on americans.

it's like he's TRYING to lose.

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Re: Cradle to Grave Socialism under Obama - this is just FNG sick.
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2012, 06:29:19 AM »
romney hasn't really been able to rely upon the economy issue since he admitted things were recovering.

he can't lean on obamacare anymore - he said the fact he delivered it to his own state showed empathy, that he cares about people.

he can't lean on 'taxes' - he admitted last week that obama didn't actually raise taxes on americans.

it's like he's TRYING to lose.

Even Romney knows Obama is the better POTUS :)