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Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« on: May 07, 2012, 10:22:05 AM »
This is an example of the approach of classical, Austrian, neoclassical, and supply-side economists working while Keynesian economics fails the world over:

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When Europe’s finance ministers meet for a group photo, it’s easy to spot the rebel — Anders Borg has a ponytail and earring. What actually marks him out, though, is how he responded to the crash. While most countries in Europe borrowed massively, Borg did not. Since becoming Sweden’s finance minister, his mission has been to pare back government. His ‘stimulus’ was a permanent tax cut. To critics, this was fiscal lunacy — the so-called ‘punk tax cutting’ agenda. Borg, on the other hand, thought lunacy meant repeating the economics of the 1970s and expecting a different result.

Three years on, it’s pretty clear who was right. ‘Look at Spain, Portugal or the UK, whose governments were arguing for large temporary stimulus,’ he says. ‘Well, we can see that very little of the stimulus went to the economy. But they are stuck with the debt.’ Tax-cutting Sweden, by contrast, had the fastest growth in Europe last year, when it also celebrated the abolition of its deficit. The recovery started just in time for the 2010 Swedish election, in which the Conservatives were re-elected for the first time in history.

All this has taken Borg from curiosity to celebrity. The Financial Times recently declared him the most effective finance minister in Europe. When we meet in his Stockholm office on a Friday afternoon (he and his aide seem to be the only two left in the building) he says he is just carrying on 20 years of reform. ‘Sweden was a textbook case of European economic sclerosis. Very high taxes and huge regulatory burden.’ An economic crisis in the early 1990s forced Sweden on the road to balanced budgets, and Borg was determined the 2007 crash would not stop him cutting the size of government.

‘Everybody was told “stimulus, stimulus, stimulus”,’ he says — referring to the EU, IMF and the alphabet soup of agencies urging a global, debt-fuelled spending splurge. Borg, an economist, couldn’t work out how this would help. ‘It was surprising that Europe, given what we experienced in the 1970s and 80s with structural unemployment, believed that short-term Keynesianism could solve the problem.’ Non-economists, he says, ‘might have a tendency to fall for those kinds of messages’.

He continued to cut taxes and cut welfare-spending to pay for it; he even cut property taxes for the rich to lure entrepreneurs back to Sweden.

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What even Borg did not expect was that his tax cut for the low-paid would increase economic growth so much that it has almost entirely paid for itself. Borg had created something that Osborne’s critics say does not exist: a self-financing tax cut. ‘There was some criticism at the time that we were borrowing to finance tax cuts,’ he says. But Sweden could do it, because it was expecting to return to surplus soon; Britain has no such luxury, he says. His main advice to Osborne is: ‘Keep on dealing with the deficit, because deficits destroy everything else.’

http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/7779228/swedens-secret-recipe.thtml

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 01:05:39 PM »
This is an example of the approach of classical, Austrian, neoclassical, and supply-side economists working while Keynesian economics fails the world over:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/7779228/swedens-secret-recipe.thtml

they cut the tax rate from 52% to  47% tax rate (stll have one of the highest tax rates on the planet) and lowered property tax rates (I guess that's a federal tax unlike here in the US)

the article suggests it was spending by lower income people (who had more money in their pocket) that paid for the tax cut and that the tax cuts were financed not only by lowering some public welfare (can't people in this country stay on unemployment for years?) but also by borrowing to pay for lost tax revenue on the gambit that it would pay for itself (which it appears to have done thanks to spending by low income people)


Sounds great - how does this apply to the US where we already have extremely low tax rates, especially for the uber-wealthly

I do agree that putting more dollars in the pocket of lower income people will stimulate the economy.   Poor people tend to spend every extra dollar they get to it goes back into the economy.   Rich people just add their extra money to an investment account or savings account and don't put it back into the economy at the same rate as lower income people

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2012, 01:38:28 PM »
they cut the tax rate from 52% to  47% tax rate (stll have one of the highest tax rates on the planet) and lowered property tax rates (I guess that's a federal tax unlike here in the US)

the article suggests it was spending by lower income people (who had more money in their pocket) that paid for the tax cut and that the tax cuts were financed not only by lowering some public welfare (can't people in this country stay on unemployment for years?) but also by borrowing to pay for lost tax revenue on the gambit that it would pay for itself (which it appears to have done thanks to spending by low income people)


Sounds great - how does this apply to the US where we already have extremely low tax rates, especially for the uber-wealthly

I do agree that putting more dollars in the pocket of lower income people will stimulate the economy.   Poor people tend to spend every extra dollar they get to it goes back into the economy.   Rich people just add their extra money to an investment account or savings account and don't put it back into the economy at the same rate as lower income people

When tax rates fall to 10% come and talk to me about low rates.   

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 02:30:03 PM »
When tax rates fall to 10% come and talk to me about low rates.   

how about we raise tax rates to 47% and drastically cut our military spending and add social services and increase the government sector jobs to model ourselves after Sweden

btw - Howard I know you're not suggesting that.   The statement above is soley in response to 333

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2012, 02:33:47 PM »
how about we raise tax rates to 47% and drastically cut our military spending and add social services and increase the government sector jobs to model ourselves after Sweden

btw - Howard I know you're not suggesting that.   The statement above is soley in response to 333

Fuck that.   Take your govt workers and shove it.   

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2012, 02:38:36 PM »
Fuck that.   Take your govt workers and shove it.  

I guess Sweden is another country where you wouldn't be happy
 
how about Somalia - no taxes or even building codes

it would be Utopia for a person such as yourself

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 02:59:09 PM »
I guess Sweden is another country where you wouldn't be happy
 
how about Somalia - no taxes or even building codes

it would be Utopia for a person such as yourself

Besides, Obama was born near there.   :D

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 04:38:19 PM »
they cut the tax rate from 52% to  47% tax rate (stll have one of the highest tax rates on the planet) and lowered property tax rates (I guess that's a federal tax unlike here in the US)

the article suggests it was spending by lower income people (who had more money in their pocket)

No it doesn't, and that thinking is contrary to what any thinking economist will tell you. The article suggests the tax cut was paid for by greater economic growth, which is a fundamentally supply-side notion, not a demand-side one.

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that paid for the tax cut and that the tax cuts were financed not only by lowering some public welfare (can't people in this country stay on unemployment for years?) but also by borrowing to pay for lost tax revenue on the gambit that it would pay for itself (which it appears to have done thanks to spending by low income people)

It did pay for itself... so most of the tax cut was paid for through supply-side growth, not greater demand.

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Sounds great - how does this apply to the US where we already have extremely low tax rates, especially for the uber-wealthly

The United States has the most progressive tax system in the OECD (see this). Furthermore, the United States has the highest top corporate tax rate in the developed world, which is a significant impediment to investment. Combining the standard 35% corporate tax rate with the standard 15% capital gains tax rate leads to a 45% tax rate on investment. And that does not include other taxes that the corporation and the investor might pay (e.g. payroll, property, sales, and state & local investment taxes).

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I do agree that putting more dollars in the pocket of lower income people will stimulate the economy.   Poor people tend to spend every extra dollar they get to it goes back into the economy.   Rich people just add their extra money to an investment account or savings account and don't put it back into the economy at the same rate as lower income people

Problem with your analysis:
1. Spending in and of itself is not "stimulatory" to economic growth. Economic growth is caused by more businesses producing more goods (aka investment) not from consumption. And simply "hoarding" money contributes to this process by freeing resources from consumer-based activities to capital investment.
2. Money that is saved does not sit idly in accounts. It is lent out to businesses and consumers.
3. Because of the fractional-reserve financial system the US and every other developed country has, there is a money multiplier, or basically how many new dollars of credit every saved dollar creates. In the United States, that money multiplier is 10. So according to your own bizarre demand-side analysis (coupled with your unsubstantiated notion that "the poor" spend a greater portion of their income than "the rich"), government should be pursuing a policy of raising taxes on lower-income individuals while cutting them for higher-income folks.

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 04:39:39 PM »
I guess Sweden is another country where you wouldn't be happy
 
how about Somalia - no taxes or even building codes

it would be Utopia for a person such as yourself

Somalia are the remains of a former socialist dictatorship. So it certainly isn't a description of what capitalism produces.

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 04:48:12 PM »
how about we raise tax rates to 47% and drastically cut our military spending and add social services and increase the government sector jobs to model ourselves after Sweden

btw - Howard I know you're not suggesting that.   The statement above is soley in response to 333

Or why don't we cut our corporate taxes to their 26.3% from our top rate of 39%? Or why don't we reduce our regulations to their levels, considering the fact that the Heritage Foundation has rated Sweden as having greater business, investment, and financial freedom than the United States?

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 05:09:38 PM »
Somalia are the remains of a former socialist dictatorship. So it certainly isn't a description of what capitalism produces.

it was a joke

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 05:12:41 PM »
it was a joke

So you acknowledge the fact that the more capitalist the country, the better off it is? e.g. Singapore, Hong Kong, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Luxembourg, Switzerland, etc.?

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 05:22:41 PM »
So you acknowledge the fact that the more capitalist the country, the better off it is? e.g. Singapore, Hong Kong, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Luxembourg, Switzerland, etc.?

what is your definition of a "capitalist country" 

I only ask because you're using Sweden as an example and they are hardly a capitalist country in the same way that we are.  Even after their meager tax cuts they still have almost a 50% tax rate, extensive welfare system (not just for the lower class but for all classes).  Other than the fact that they have "taxes" they have almost nothing in common with our country or the challenges we're currently facing

I'll print the article and read it when I get home

I think you' may be drawing some conclusions that are not in the article but I read it quickly online this morning

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 05:37:13 PM »
Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production.

Sweden is, on net, less capitalist than the United States. And that does show in their GDP per capita: their economy is worse than the United States's. However, they do have several policies which the United States should adopt, such as less regulations on business, investment, and finance AND lower corporate taxes.

Also, when you factor in state and local taxes as well as double taxation on investment, their highest tax rates aren't significantly higher than our highest tax rates. And the United States do have a more progressive tax system than Sweden, as I pointed out earlier.

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 05:46:33 PM »
Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production.

Sweden is, on net, less capitalist than the United States. And that does show in their GDP per capita: their economy is worse than the United States's. However, they do have several policies which the United States should adopt, such as less regulations on business, investment, and finance AND lower corporate taxes.

Also, when you factor in state and local taxes as well as double taxation on investment, their highest tax rates aren't significantly higher than our highest tax rates. And the United States do have a more progressive tax system than Sweden, as I pointed out earlier.

I'm not that familiar with Sweden

what examples of "less regulation" on business, investment, finance do they have in direct comparison to the US

Also, since we're talking about taxes, what are their taxes on things like long and short term capital gains, carried interest income, dividends, etc..

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 03:48:07 AM »
Solution= Tax cuts for the rich and middle-class and not for the rich

Yeah yeah socialist i know..

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2012, 10:02:22 AM »
I'm not that familiar with Sweden

what examples of "less regulation" on business, investment, finance do they have in direct comparison to the US

Also, since we're talking about taxes, what are their taxes on things like long and short term capital gains, carried interest income, dividends, etc..

No Sarbanes-Oxley, no Dodd-Frank, no ten thousand pages in the federal register, no seventy-two thousand pages of federal tax law.

Top Federal US Corporate Tax Rate: 35%
Top Federal US Capital Gains Tax Rate: 15%
Total Federal US Investment Tax Rate: 44.75%

The above does not include state and local taxes. If you included the business and income taxes in my state (Michigan), the top tax rate on investment income would be about 52%.

Top Swedish Corporate Tax Rate: 26.3%
Top Swedish Capital Gains Tax Rate: 30%
Total Swedish Investment Tax Rate: 48.41%

I'm not sure how payroll taxes, estate taxes, and property taxes would factor in to this.

If we swap the 2009 World Bank estimates of the effective average corporate tax rate for the top statutory tax rate we get:

Federal US EATR: 27.6%
Federal US Capital Gains Tax: 15%
Federal US Investment Tax Rate: 38.46%

Including Michigan business and income taxes, the investment tax rate is approximately 46%.

Swedish EATR: 16.4%
Swedish Capital Gains Tax: 30%
Swedish Investment Tax Rate: 41.48%

So it's close,  but the US comes out ahead depending on the state. When you count the fact that various indices of economic freedom (e.g. Heritage Foundation & Frasier Institute) rank Sweden higher than the US in terms of business, investment, and financial freedom, you begin to get a picture of Sweden being a lot more capitalist than many social democrats in the US would like to admit.

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2012, 10:12:19 AM »
Note: This discussion regarding total tax rates is off topic either way. The point here is that they lowered taxes and reduced spending, THAT is what caused their economic recovery DESPITE the typical Keynesian bullshit mantra that the only path to recovery is through increased deficit spending.

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2012, 04:02:53 PM »
Note: This discussion regarding total tax rates is off topic either way. The point here is that they lowered taxes and reduced spending, THAT is what caused their economic recovery DESPITE the typical Keynesian bullshit mantra that the only path to recovery is through increased deficit spending.

total tax rates were discussed in the article you posted and they are in the title of your thread so why are they "off topic"

the article said that they not only lowered taxes, among other  things, on the lower class and cut some welfare spending and, as you pointed out, they are giving that credit for the increase  in growth of GDP.    They did also borrower to pay for the tax cuts in the short run which is a form of deficit spending (if you recall our own so called stimulus plan  was about 35% tax cuts)    In your opinion was it the decrease in spending that promoted growth (if so how) or the tax cuts on the lower class (again, if so then by what mechanism) or was it the unique combination of those two things.   Sweden also doesn't have the massive military budget that we do

Considering that Sweden has cradle to grave healthcare, free college education for both citizens and non citizens and I'm sure many other social welfare benefits that I"m not aware of it's hard to see how they are an example of capitalism.

I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make with this example from Sweden.  Is it just that in this one instance we have an example of increase growth via a combo of tax cuts and lowered spending?    Again, in the article they point to tax cuts on the lower class was the catalyst for economic growth. Is that what you think we should do in this country

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What even Borg did not expect was that his tax cut for the low-paid would increase economic growth so much that it has almost entirely paid for itself

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2012, 06:25:25 AM »
total tax rates were discussed in the article you posted and they are in the title of your thread so why are they "off topic"

the article said that they not only lowered taxes, among other  things, on the lower class and cut some welfare spending and, as you pointed out, they are giving that credit for the increase  in growth of GDP.    They did also borrower to pay for the tax cuts in the short run which is a form of deficit spending (if you recall our own so called stimulus plan  was about 35% tax cuts)

The tax cuts in the Obama stimulus were some of the weakest tax cuts you could possibly include. A lot of those tax cuts were locked up in various tax credits which don't really have the kind of effect that lowering rates would have had. The only powerful tax cut in the Obama stimulus - the reduction in the employer's share of payroll taxes - was limited to only the first $5 million in payroll. How the fuck is that supposed to stimulate employment for the biggest companies which employ a significant portion of US labor?

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   In your opinion was it the decrease in spending that promoted growth (if so how) or the tax cuts on the lower class (again, if so then by what mechanism) or was it the unique combination of those two things.

Both, and the tax cuts were across the board for all income levels.

Government spending crowds out private spending and investment, so spending cuts are always desirable. Every dollar that the government spends is a dollar that the private sector cannot. The type of government spending they cut is also very important. Welfare, depending on how it's structured, usually acts as a disincentive to work by increasing implicit marginal tax rates. So eliminating or at least shrinking these programs creates the incentive to work for people who previously were trapped in the cycle of poverty.

And of course, taxes decrease the incentive to work, save, and invest, so tax cuts are always stimulatory to economic growth.



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  Sweden also doesn't have the massive military budget that we do

This is true, and it's another area where we could learn from them.

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Considering that Sweden has cradle to grave healthcare, free college education for both citizens and non citizens and I'm sure many other social welfare benefits that I"m not aware of it's hard to see how they are an example of capitalism.

Considering that Sweden has about the same tax rate on investment as most of the United States and less regulations than the United States, it's hard to see how Sweden is not capitalist. Sure, they have shitty fiscal policy, but it's getting better, whereas our fiscal policy is heading in the wrong direction.

Side rant: For shit's sake, it costs hundreds of dollars and weeks to get permission just to put up a fence *legally* in my city. Taking that into account, can you imagine the regulatory burdens that businesses have to put up with every step of the way? That's a HUGE drain on our economy.

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I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make with this example from Sweden.  Is it just that in this one instance we have an example of increase growth via a combo of tax cuts and lowered spending?    Again, in the article they point to tax cuts on the lower class was the catalyst for economic growth. Is that what you think we should do in this country

They do not point to tax cuts on the lower class as a catalyst for economic growth. They point to decreased spending and tax cuts for everyone as the catalyst for economic growth. The article barely even mentions tax cuts for the lower class - they only mention them in reference to a political point the Swedish finance minister made - that it's politically impossible to lower taxes on the wealthy without doing the same for middle and lower-income individuals. As a matter of fact, the bulk of the article focuses on how tax cuts for the wealthy - i.e. entrepreneurs - stimulate the economy to a greater extent.

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2012, 09:17:17 AM »
The tax cuts in the Obama stimulus were some of the weakest tax cuts you could possibly include. A lot of those tax cuts were locked up in various tax credits which don't really have the kind of effect that lowering rates would have had. The only powerful tax cut in the Obama stimulus - the reduction in the employer's share of payroll taxes - was limited to only the first $5 million in payroll. How the fuck is that supposed to stimulate employment for the biggest companies which employ a significant portion of US labor?

Both, and the tax cuts were across the board for all income levels.

Government spending crowds out private spending and investment, so spending cuts are always desirable. Every dollar that the government spends is a dollar that the private sector cannot. The type of government spending they cut is also very important. Welfare, depending on how it's structured, usually acts as a disincentive to work by increasing implicit marginal tax rates. So eliminating or at least shrinking these programs creates the incentive to work for people who previously were trapped in the cycle of poverty.

And of course, taxes decrease the incentive to work, save, and invest, so tax cuts are always stimulatory to economic growth.



This is true, and it's another area where we could learn from them.

Considering that Sweden has about the same tax rate on investment as most of the United States and less regulations than the United States, it's hard to see how Sweden is not capitalist. Sure, they have shitty fiscal policy, but it's getting better, whereas our fiscal policy is heading in the wrong direction.

Side rant: For shit's sake, it costs hundreds of dollars and weeks to get permission just to put up a fence *legally* in my city. Taking that into account, can you imagine the regulatory burdens that businesses have to put up with every step of the way? That's a HUGE drain on our economy.

They do not point to tax cuts on the lower class as a catalyst for economic growth. They point to decreased spending and tax cuts for everyone as the catalyst for economic growth. The article barely even mentions tax cuts for the lower class - they only mention them in reference to a political point the Swedish finance minister made - that it's politically impossible to lower taxes on the wealthy without doing the same for middle and lower-income individuals. As a matter of fact, the bulk of the article focuses on how tax cuts for the wealthy - i.e. entrepreneurs - stimulate the economy to a greater extent.

very short on time this morning so can only address a couple fo things

the article you posted while mentioning tax cuts on various sectors specifically credited the tax cuts for the "low paid" as increasing economic growth. 

you mentioned a few times that you believe Sweden has less regultion but you have no examples that I can remember reading exception mentioning Sarbanes Oxley and Dodd Frank -both horribly flawed responses to the damage caused by under-regulated captilism in this country.
Do you have any other examples that are more specific to Sweden.


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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2012, 08:39:52 PM »

the article you posted while mentioning tax cuts on various sectors specifically credited the tax cuts for the "low paid" as increasing economic growth.

That couldn't be more untrue. Let's re-examine what the article actually says in reference to tax cuts for high-income and low-income earners:
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He continued to cut taxes and cut welfare-spending to pay for it; he even cut property taxes for the rich to lure entrepreneurs back to Sweden. The last bit was the most unpopular, but for Borg, economic recovery starts with entrepreneurs. If cutting taxes for the rich encouraged risk-taking, then it had to be done. ‘In most cases, the company would not have been created without the owner,’ he says. ‘There would be no Ikea without [Ingvar] Kamprad. We would not have Tetra-Pak without [Ruben] Rausing. They are probably the foremost entrepreneurs we have had in the last few decades, and both moved out of Sweden.’

But they were not rich, I say, when they were starting out. ‘No, but they were becoming rich. If you have a high wealth tax and an inheritance tax, people emigrate because it becomes too costly to own a company. Ownership is a production factor. Entrepreneurs are a production factor. Yes, these people are rich and you can obviously argue that we want to encourage social cohesion. But it is also problematic if you drive out entrepreneurs from your country, because they are the source of job creation.’

Just as George Osborne took a hit for reducing the 52p tax to a 47p tax, so Borg’s party paid an political price for helping the rich. ‘If you are going to survive that politically, it is very important to cut taxes on low-income earners.’ He focused the tax credit on the low-paid, giving some the equivalent of a month’s extra salary every year. But there was still resentment. ‘We lost a lot of voters when we cut the property and the wealth tax, I don’t make any excuse for that. It was a severe blow to our support.’

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From the above passage, it becomes quite clear that the article (or at least Borg speaking through the interviewer/author) credits the tax cut on entrepreneurs (aka high-income earners) with the bulk of the resulting economic growth. The ONLY mention of tax cuts for lower-income earners is in relation to how it is politically necessary to cut their taxes when the taxes of high-income earners are cut.

Of course, this does not mean that tax cuts for low-income earners don't stimulate economic growth. If properly structured as to increase the incentive to work and save, they most certainly will stimulate economic growth. But it is a simple fact of life that nine times out of ten, tax cuts for low-income earners are not as high-powered as tax cuts for higher-income earners, if only because high-income earners control more resources (by definition of being "high-income") and engage in more entrepreneurial activities (which is usually how they became "high-income" in the first place).

But notice that this is essentially a supply-side argument that Borg, the interviewer/author, and I are making, as opposed to the demand-side argument you are making.

The supply-side argument is this: properly structured tax cuts increase the incentive to work, save, invest, and engage in other productive activities. With increased incentives to engage in productive activities, people will produce more. More production means that people are able to consume more. And by definition, the more production goes on in the economy, the larger that economy is.

The demand-side argument is this: in order to grow the economy, more money needs to be spent. In other words, there needs to be more demand for goods and services. If demand is increased, the supply-side will follow. The best way to increase demand for goods and services is to have the government directly spend money on goods and services. Tax cuts are only a second-best option because not ALL of the tax cut will be spent.

The inherent logical contradiction in the demand-side argument is that demand cannot outstrip supply. In fact, demand is derived from supply, or as the French liberal economist JB Say put it, supply constitutes demand (if you have time, listen to this closely and watch this). In short: the only way to increase aggregate demand is to increase aggregate purchasing power - but the only way to increase aggregate purchasing power is to produce more (increase aggregate supply).

So your argument that the Swedish economy grew because the tax cuts were focused on low-income earners falls flat on its face.

BUT there is a second reason why your argument fails, more intimately related to the article itself rather than abstract economic theory: if demand-side (aka Keynesian) economics is right, then Sweden should have suffered from economic stagnation as a result of its tax cut. Why? Because the tax cut was paid for by reduced government spending. And remember, because less than 100% of a tax cut is spent, while by definition 100% of government spending is spent, according to demand-side theory Sweden should have suffered from a more severe recession. But it didn't. The spending cuts along with the tax cuts had a positive economic impact, an impact which is only explained by "supply-side" and classical economics.

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you mentioned a few times that you believe Sweden has less regultion but you have no examples that I can remember reading exception mentioning Sarbanes Oxley and Dodd Frank -both horribly flawed responses to the damage caused by under-regulated captilism in this country.
Do you have any other examples that are more specific to Sweden.

I don't live in Sweden so I cannot provide you with a list of specific regulations that they have. I can't even provide you with a list of regulations in the United States, or even a list of regulations that have impacted my life, as there are too many to list. However, you can rest assured that Sweden is better off in terms of regulation, thanks to the work done by the Heritage Foundation and the Frasier Institute - both think-tanks ranked the United States worse in terms of business regulations than Sweden. And though you might question the accuracy of these indices of economic freedom, know this: that most professional economists from a varying array of political/ideological backgrounds recognize the accuracy of these indices, which is why they are continually referenced by academic economists in peer-reviewed journals.

Also, to call the US economy "under-regulated capitalism" is a joke. Does this look "under-regulated" to you?


And that's just FEDERAL regulations. There are also a multitude of state and local regulations. Local regulations tend to be especially onerous, at least in the part of the country where I live (South-West Michigan).

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Re: Sweden: Recovery Through Tax Cuts
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2012, 01:10:31 PM »
Howard -  I read the article and again and I had already mentioned the various tax cuts on property, high income earners et... but it's not true, as you wrote, that "The ONLY mention of tax cuts for lower-income earners is in relation to how it is politically necessary to cut their taxes when the taxes of high-income earners are cut."

There is also the mention (whether accurate or not) is that "Borg did not expect was that his tax cut for the low-paid would increase economic growth"

Anyway, that is not really my point

My point or rather question is what lesson do you think article is telling the US or Eurozone (if anything at all)

This is a socialist country with a tax rate that is sill near 50% with a huge abundance of social services that we don't have in this country

It's not suprising that lower the tax rate a bit would have a stimulative effect in THEIR UNIQUE SITUATION

There is no proof that even lower taxs cuts would produce the same results

This one example is not proof that goverement spending is not also stimulative, again in certain situations

I assume for you (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that this all comes back to finding real world examples to fit the idealogy that you alreayd believe which is based on the writings of Ayn Rand