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The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« on: May 08, 2012, 03:58:34 PM »

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/may/8/media-just-wont-let-ron-paul/




TAMPA, May 8, 2012 – It’s official. Ron Paul has won two states. He’s probably going to win more.
 
In response, most media outlets have chosen to ramp up their passive-aggressive attacks on Paul’s campaign.


Ever since he announced that he would seek the Republican nomination for president back in 2007, Ron Paul has been covered like no other major party candidate in U.S. history.
 
Let’s review:
 
During his previous campaign for the 2008 Republican nomination, the media largely pretended he wasn’t running at all. When he was covered, virtually every article or segment described him as a “gadfly” and his campaign as “quixotic.” Even before the first debate was held, we were assured at least twice in every news piece that Paul “had little chance of winning the nomination.”
 
At the start of this election cycle, the gadfly’s quixotic campaign was covered in much the same manner. Admittedly, the insinuations that Paul’s views were “fringe” or “crazy” had diminished. It’s hard to call someone crazy after all of his economic predictions come true and all of the predictions of his opponents prove wrong.
 
Nevertheless, the media covering the 2012 nomination race initially pretended that Paul didn’t exist, prompting Jon Stewart’s now classic lampoon. After Paul’s virtual tie in the Ames, Iowa straw poll, we were told that the new “top tier” Republican candidates were Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman.
 
Remember them? Perry dropped out after failing to recover from forgetting the names of the federal departments he proposed to eliminate in a debate. Among Bachman’s finest moments was the New Hampshire speech in which she asserted that the American Revolutionary War broke out at Lexington and Concord in…New Hampshire.
 
Once the media could no longer ignore Ron Paul, we were once again assured that he had no chance to win the Republican nomination. When it appeared that he might win the Iowa caucuses, we were told that a Paul win would be meaningless. When he finished a close third in Iowa and second in New Hampshire, the media acknowledged that his performance was surprising but maintained that he still couldn’t win.
 
He was in better shape than Bill Clinton was at that point in 1992. Why didn’t Clinton get the same treatment?
 
The media again began ignoring Ron Paul’s campaign after Super Tuesday, despite his predictions of eventual victories in several of the caucus states. After his predictions started proving accurate, the media immediately began suggesting that there was something sneaky or undemocratic about his strategy, even though it is perfectly legitimate.[/b]
 
Now that Paul has won the majority of delegates from Maine and Nevada to the Republican National Convention (RNC) and his predictions for similar results in Missouri, Washington, Iowa, and other states suddenly sound very credible, the media have a new disclaimer to add to the list.
 
Not only must any mention of Paul contain the usual negatives, but the deliberately republican (small “r”) delegate selection process is suddenly “arcane.”

 
According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, arcane means:
 
“known or knowable only to the initiate : secret <arcane rites>; broadly: mysterious, obscure <arcane explanations”
 
The rites of initiation during the ancient mysteries at Eleusis were arcane. The activities of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors are arcane. The secret handshake known to members of Fred Flintstone’s Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes Lodge No. 26 is arcane.
 
The delegate selection process for the Maine Republican Party is not arcane. It is published on the party’s website in sixth grade English and is available to everyone. However, since Ron Paul has had success within that process, it now seems that disparaging implications must be made about it, in addition to him.
 
With all of the disclaimers that the media attach to coverage of Paul, it’s starting to take several minutes just to get to the actual “news” in the article.
 
“Libertarian gadfly Ron Paul, who continues his quixotic campaign for the Republican nomination despite not having won a single state (even though he’s won two and counting), and who cannot, never could and never will be able to win the nomination, who has many supporters who believe in fringe conspiracy theories but have nevertheless ‘hijacked’ the Republican state conventions in several states by ‘exploiting’ arcane rules governing the delegate selection process, but who still has only secured 80 delegates to the RNC despite the fact that we just told you that number is grossly understated because the people reporting it don’t know about the arcane rules, today announced…”
 
What other major party candidate in U.S. history has been covered this way?
 
Regardless of whether they agree with Ron Paul on the issues, even the minimally curious have to wonder why the media appear to be trying so hard, especially concerning someone they repeatedly assert has no chance. Whether Republican, Democrat, independent or disinterested, they should be asking the same question that I asked last week.
 
What about Ron Paul are the media so afraid of?

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 05:11:39 PM »
I've made this point before, but why would ron paul supporters object to businesses performing actions that they want to perform? Paul is in favor of liberty, for example the liberty of news corporations to talk about what they want to talk about. They are obviously making profit doing so, so why object? Are you merely pointing out that the media ignores Ron Paul, or are you saying, that the Media SHOULDNT ignore Ron Paul?

I can see your point if you are going with the former. Although I think it is so well known I don't see why another thread should be made about it.

I think if you make the latter point, that is inconsistent with Paul's liberty values.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 03:44:11 AM »
The only media personality (unless you think John Stossel counts) that supports him got his show canceled (Judge Napalitano).  How is it that all MSM personalities on both sides are constantly on the attack against Ron Paul? 

That is not a free press, that is engineered opposition because he is a threat to the left/right establishment.   
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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 04:30:14 AM »
I've made this point before, but why would ron paul supporters object to businesses performing actions that they want to perform? Paul is in favor of liberty, for example the liberty of news corporations to talk about what they want to talk about. They are obviously making profit doing so, so why object? Are you merely pointing out that the media ignores Ron Paul, or are you saying, that the Media SHOULDNT ignore Ron Paul?

I can see your point if you are going with the former. Although I think it is so well known I don't see why another thread should be made about it.

I think if you make the latter point, that is inconsistent with Paul's liberty values.

That not liberty thats media being controlled by the establishment

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 04:40:42 AM »
That not liberty thats media being controlled by the establishment

the establishment?

It seems to me that the heads of each of whatever businesses do not like Ron Paul, and they decide to use their companies as a way of, if not hurting ron paul, then definitely not helping ron paul. The reporters choose to follow suit, even if they choose so to keep their job and not because of conscience.

Now if a reporter (I'm using that term to mean any newsperson) was fired for making pro-ron paul statements on air. Wouldn't that be justified because companies should be free to hire/fire at their will?

Why should they not be free to use their means (by being a reporter on tv, or owning a media company, etc) to put forth the viewpoint that they most agree with? (Even if its only for prudence reasons)

Seems to me that for paul supporters to say the companies, reporters, etc SHOULDNT be biased in reporting, is claiming that their liberty should be limited (Liberty to be biased) and that definitely goes against Ron Paul's message.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 04:44:42 AM »
I've made this point before, but why would ron paul supporters object to businesses performing actions that they want to perform? Paul is in favor of liberty, for example the liberty of news corporations to talk about what they want to talk about. They are obviously making profit doing so, so why object? Are you merely pointing out that the media ignores Ron Paul, or are you saying, that the Media SHOULDNT ignore Ron Paul?

I can see your point if you are going with the former. Although I think it is so well known I don't see why another thread should be made about it.

I think if you make the latter point, that is inconsistent with Paul's liberty values.
I think the press is supposed to be held to a different standard than your typical business - as they are the only way for people to ACTUALLY know what goes on in their country, they arent supposed to be propoganda machines for their respective parties - theyre supposed to be fair and unbiased in order to keep the country from allowing itself to get sucked back into tyranny.
They sold out their journalistic integrity a long time ago.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 04:50:21 AM »
in 2008, most getbiggers said "No way FOX has an anti-ron paul dialogue... they're fair and balanced!"

By 2010, when they promoted the tea party rallies, it was "Fox isn't fair, but they provide the balance by being a far-right option to counter CNN and MSN".

By 2012, it was "Hey, they are bashing ron paul, and they are proclaiming themselves as anti-obama, but that's okay because.."

See how it has evolved?  We all pretty much know fox isn't balanced, and that they did work to sink ron paul -
In 2016, people aren't going to swallow everything FOX feeds them.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 04:52:49 AM »
the establishment?

It seems to me that the heads of each of whatever businesses do not like Ron Paul, and they decide to use their companies as a way of, if not hurting ron paul, then definitely not helping ron paul. The reporters choose to follow suit, even if they choose so to keep their job and not because of conscience.

Now if a reporter (I'm using that term to mean any newsperson) was fired for making pro-ron paul statements on air. Wouldn't that be justified because companies should be free to hire/fire at their will?

Why should they not be free to use their means (by being a reporter on tv, or owning a media company, etc) to put forth the viewpoint that they most agree with? (Even if its only for prudence reasons)

Seems to me that for paul supporters to say the companies, reporters, etc SHOULDNT be biased in reporting, is claiming that their liberty should be limited (Liberty to be biased) and that definitely goes against Ron Paul's message.

And why do you think they hate him despite he is as free market as they come?
Because the lobbyists cant bribe him like they can with the rest of the GOP

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 04:52:59 AM »
I think the press is supposed to be held to a different standard than your typical business - as they are the only way for people to ACTUALLY know what goes on in their country, they arent supposed to be propoganda machines for their respective parties - theyre supposed to be fair and unbiased in order to keep the country from allowing itself to get sucked back into tyranny.
They sold out their journalistic integrity a long time ago.

I agree 100%. But I have never seen that argument in Paul's views, and I have tried to keep track of what he believes and why. He seems to value liberty higher than all else (assuming the action meets the harm principle), like most libertarians.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 04:55:06 AM »
I think the press is supposed to be held to a different standard than your typical business - as they are the only way for people to ACTUALLY know what goes on in their country, they arent supposed to be propoganda machines for their respective parties - theyre supposed to be fair and unbiased in order to keep the country from allowing itself to get sucked back into tyranny.
They sold out their journalistic integrity a long time ago.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 04:55:26 AM »
I agree 100%. But I have never seen that argument in Paul's views, and I have tried to keep track of what he believes and why. He seems to value liberty higher than all else (assuming the action meets the harm principle), like most libertarians.
I kind of get the feeling he chooses his battles, I think if he tried to take on the press and the GOP establishment at the same time we wouldnt even know he existed.
Taking on the press is not something to be done lightly.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 04:56:15 AM »
I agree 100%. But I have never seen that argument in Paul's views, and I have tried to keep track of what he believes and why. He seems to value liberty higher than all else (assuming the action meets the harm principle), like most libertarians.


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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 05:05:16 AM »
I kind of get the feeling he chooses his battles, I think if he tried to take on the press and the GOP establishment at the same time we wouldnt even know he existed.
Taking on the press is not something to be done lightly.

That's probably true of why he doesn't say it. But my point is that given his value and praise of liberty, he would be pushing up against the line of inconsistency if he did make that argument. Perhaps I am mistaken but in my experience, libertarians wouldn't be in favor of saying news corporations should be unbiased, neutral, give equal time to each side of a heated debate, etc. To do that would be a liberal idea. If I have misinterpreted libertarians (and therefore Ron Paul as well), in the sense that they would be in favor of saying news corporations should change their business practices and become more neutral, then I withdraw my charge of inconsistency.

Although...do you think If liberals and libertarians agree that the media should be unbiased, fair, equal time to opposing sides on major issues, etc, that the point of disagreement would instead be the way in which we should go about ensuring that? Maybe Liberals would be in favor of a government mandate, while libertarians would be in a favor of some sort of grassroot movement?

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2012, 05:18:01 AM »
That's probably true of why he doesn't say it. But my point is that given his value and praise of liberty, he would be pushing up against the line of inconsistency if he did make that argument. Perhaps I am mistaken but in my experience, libertarians wouldn't be in favor of saying news corporations should be unbiased, neutral, give equal time to each side of a heated debate, etc. To do that would be a liberal idea. If I have misinterpreted libertarians (and therefore Ron Paul as well), in the sense that they would be in favor of saying news corporations should change their business practices and become more neutral, then I withdraw my charge of inconsistency.

Although...do you think If liberals and libertarians agree that the media should be unbiased, fair, equal time to opposing sides on major issues, etc, that the point of disagreement would instead be the way in which we should go about ensuring that? Maybe Liberals would be in favor of a government mandate, while libertarians would be in a favor of some sort of grassroot movement?

Liberty is not the same as tolerating other peoples abuse of power
Im pretty sure RP would not support Hitler having the freedom to kill jews

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2012, 05:20:43 AM »
Liberty is not the same as tolerating other peoples abuse of power
Im pretty sure RP would not support Hitler having the freedom to kill jews

I wrote in my post earlier....

He seems to value liberty higher than all else (assuming the action meets the harm principle), like most libertarians.

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2012, 05:25:32 AM »
That's probably true of why he doesn't say it. But my point is that given his value and praise of liberty, he would be pushing up against the line of inconsistency if he did make that argument. Perhaps I am mistaken but in my experience, libertarians wouldn't be in favor of saying news corporations should be unbiased, neutral, give equal time to each side of a heated debate, etc. To do that would be a liberal idea. If I have misinterpreted libertarians (and therefore Ron Paul as well), in the sense that they would be in favor of saying news corporations should change their business practices and become more neutral, then I withdraw my charge of inconsistency.

Although...do you think If liberals and libertarians agree that the media should be unbiased, fair, equal time to opposing sides on major issues, etc, that the point of disagreement would instead be the way in which we should go about ensuring that? Maybe Liberals would be in favor of a government mandate, while libertarians would be in a favor of some sort of grassroot movement?

 It wouldn't be an issue if these "reporters" didn't ALWAYS claim to be unbiased. They say it's their job to be that way but some of them are blatantly lying. Ron advocates liberty but he always attaches being honest, responsible, integrity, etc, to that statement. He doesn't ever say liberty means doing whatever the hell you want without a care if your hurting anyone else, etc..

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Re: The media just won't let up on Ron Paul
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2012, 05:42:44 AM »
That's probably true of why he doesn't say it. But my point is that given his value and praise of liberty, he would be pushing up against the line of inconsistency if he did make that argument. Perhaps I am mistaken but in my experience, libertarians wouldn't be in favor of saying news corporations should be unbiased, neutral, give equal time to each side of a heated debate, etc. To do that would be a liberal idea. If I have misinterpreted libertarians (and therefore Ron Paul as well), in the sense that they would be in favor of saying news corporations should change their business practices and become more neutral, then I withdraw my charge of inconsistency.

Although...do you think If liberals and libertarians agree that the media should be unbiased, fair, equal time to opposing sides on major issues, etc, that the point of disagreement would instead be the way in which we should go about ensuring that? Maybe Liberals would be in favor of a government mandate, while libertarians would be in a favor of some sort of grassroot movement?
Yeah, Id agree with that. Sometimes I think that even if they want the same outcome, theyll just argue the way to get there, simply to argue. Liberals would definatley favor governmental regulation, and therein stems the problem - anytime (IMHO), you get the government involved with the press, youre going to start getting what we have now.
I have no better options to give either, because if you hand it over to the private sector with NO oversight, you'll probably wind up with the same thing.
I dont know man, I just dont know. Im sure the answer lies somewhere in the middle, but its finding those people that are actually honest AND truely believe in what theyre doing that is the challenge, as such things always attract the power hunger or those who want to manipulate public opinion