Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense

[Dos Equis]

Going to get even higher as people actually start paying attention to the facts and stop listening to the race-baiting media.

Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Tuesday, 22 May 2012

Forty percent of Americans now think George Zimmerman, who has been charged with second degree murder in the Martin shooting, acted in self-defense. That’s up 25 points from 15 percent  in March and up 16 points from 24 percent last month.

Thirty-six percent remain undecided, compared to 55 percent two months ago.

The survey of 1,000 adults nationwide was conducted on May 19-20, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/zimmerman-poll-self-defense/2012/05/22/id/439917

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Going to get even higher as people actually start paying attention to the facts and stop listening to the race-baiting media.

What are "the facts?"

The unknown info that prompted the repub prosecutor to charge his ass with murder?

She has more info than us, and she deemed him a murderer and profiler.  I don't understand everyone's desire to get on Zimm's side here.  He's a hothead who beat his wife, assaulted a cop. and voted for obama, and you guys can't stop deepthroating the kid because trayvon was 17 and smoked pot.

[Dos Equis]

What are "the facts?"

The unknown info that prompted the repub prosecutor to charge his ass with murder?

She has more info than us, and she deemed him a murderer and profiler.  I don't understand everyone's desire to get on Zimm's side here.  He's a hothead who beat his wife, assaulted a cop. and voted for obama, and you guys can't stop deepthroating the kid because trayvon was 17 and smoked pot.

lol.  You really never get tired of making a fool of yourself.  lol

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Going to get even higher as people actually start paying attention to the facts and stop listening to the race-baiting media.

Rasmussen: 40% Think Zimmerman Acted in Self-Defense
Tuesday, 22 May 2012

Forty percent of Americans now think George Zimmerman, who has been charged with second degree murder in the Martin shooting, acted in self-defense. That’s up 25 points from 15 percent  in March and up 16 points from 24 percent last month.

Thirty-six percent remain undecided, compared to 55 percent two months ago.

The survey of 1,000 adults nationwide was conducted on May 19-20, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/zimmerman-poll-self-defense/2012/05/22/id/439917

Doesn't matter, you can't go out and provoke a fight and then call self defense....if anything Trayvon was acting in self defense. 

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Doesn't matter, you can't go out and provoke a fight and then call self defense....if anything Trayvon was acting in self defense. 

Yes, it matters.  It gives some sense of what the jury pool might be thinking. 

And yes, you can provoke a fight and still defend yourself.  The physical evidence and eye witness testimony that has been released so far does not show Martin was acting in self defense.  It shows Zimmerman was the one trying to defend himself from a beat down. 

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Yes, it matters.  It gives some sense of what the jury pool might be thinking. 

And yes, you can provoke a fight and still defend yourself.  The physical evidence and eye witness testimony that has been released so far does not show Martin was acting in self defense.  It shows Zimmerman was the one trying to defend himself from a beat down. 

who started the beatdown?   who started the fight?

the one who ran two blocks to get away?  or the one who chased a minor 2 blocks with a gun?

the shoot was legal, but he'll see prison time cause he exaggerated way past lying, and cause he caused all this shit.

[Dos Equis]

who started the beatdown?   who started the fight?

the one who ran two blocks to get away?  or the one who chased a minor 2 blocks with a gun?

the shoot was legal, but he'll see prison time cause he exaggerated way past lying, and cause he caused all this shit.

It doesn't matter who started the fight. 

Stop trying to stay on both sides of the issue.  He's not charged with perjury or lying to law enforcement.  He's charged with murder. 

And you talking about lying is laugh out loud funny.   

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It doesn't matter who started the fight. 
Stop trying to stay on both sides of the issue.  He's not charged with perjury or lying to law enforcement.  He's charged with murder. 
And you talking about lying is laugh out loud funny.   

Zimmerman said trayvon was saying 'you die tonight' while covering up his mouth.

The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling.

and really, you're a thick-headed dude if your bullshit alarm doesn't go off when you hear zimmerman on the phone.  he exaggerated to get them there faster. He lied aobut what happened right before the shooting.  He's going to prison.

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Zimmerman said trayvon was saying 'you die tonight' while covering up his mouth.

The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling.

and really, you're a thick-headed dude if your bullshit alarm doesn't go off when you hear zimmerman on the phone.  he exaggerated to get them there faster. He lied aobut what happened right before the shooting.  He's going to prison.

O Rly?  Post the link you lying liar.  I accept nothing you say at face value. 

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O Rly?  Post the link you lying liar.  I accept nothing you say at face value. 

George Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, appeared on an Orlando-area news broadcast to defend his son, and told a reporter that Trayvon Martin said to his son: "you're going to die tonight."

I won't tolerate you accusing the honorable Robert Zimmerman of being a liar, Beach Bum. 

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_martin/032812-exclusive-robert-zimmerman-interview

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Yes, it matters.  It gives some sense of what the jury pool might be thinking. 

And yes, you can provoke a fight and still defend yourself.  The physical evidence and eye witness testimony that has been released so far does not show Martin was acting in self defense.  It shows Zimmerman was the one trying to defend himself from a beat down. 

No you cannot provoke a fight and call self defense when you shot someone but quite frankly, I don't believe one word Zimmerman says because he's come out with a lot of different explanations so far.   

Personally, I believe that Zimmerman was tired of crime in the neighborhood and decided to try to somehow capture Trayvon....likely because he was a skinny kid that only weighted 158 pounds....didn't realize that he wouldn't go down without a fight. 

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No you cannot provoke a fight and call self defense when you shot someone but quite frankly, I don't believe one word Zimmerman says because he's come out with a lot of different explanations so far.   

Personally, I believe that Zimmerman was tired of crime in the neighborhood and decided to try to somehow capture Trayvon....likely because he was a skinny kid that only weighted 158 pounds....didn't realize that he wouldn't go down without a fight. 

My belief is that he wanted to goad trayvon into a fight, so the police could pull right up and save him, and then trayvon would be locked up for months. 

probably called him one of those words he was using on the phone    and after cutting off his path to his GF's parents house, he may have even started the fight.

Sanford PD just took too long to get there.   Zimm probably started screaming 'help' like a bitch to get witnesses to the 'assault' so trayvon would be prison-bound.

then, he started catching an actual ass whooping, and went for his gun.   


That's my belief - zimmerman wanted a fistfight cause then he's the assaulted hero, a martyr with a story to tell about how he and the sanford PD took down the very burglar that stole his bike.  Remember, zimmerman was accused of domestic violence, and plead out assaulting a cop.  He's a violent man.

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George Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, appeared on an Orlando-area news broadcast to defend his son, and told a reporter that Trayvon Martin said to his son: "you're going to die tonight."

I won't tolerate you accusing the honorable Robert Zimmerman of being a liar, Beach Bum. 

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_martin/032812-exclusive-robert-zimmerman-interview

"The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

 

I'm not calling Robert Zimmerman a liar.  I'm calling YOU a liar. 

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No you cannot provoke a fight and call self defense when you shot someone but quite frankly, I don't believe one word Zimmerman says because he's come out with a lot of different explanations so far.   

Personally, I believe that Zimmerman was tired of crime in the neighborhood and decided to try to somehow capture Trayvon....likely because he was a skinny kid that only weighted 158 pounds....didn't realize that he wouldn't go down without a fight. 

Yes, you can provoke a fight and still have the right to defend yourself.  Dershowitz talks about it here:

What conflicting explanations has Zimmerman given? 

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"The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

 

I'm not calling Robert Zimmerman a liar.  I'm calling YOU a liar. 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-father-claims-trayvon-martin-beat-his-son-threatened-his-life/

Link working fine - He's a judge and he wouldn't lie to a reporter.

[Dos Equis]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-father-claims-trayvon-martin-beat-his-son-threatened-his-life/

Link working fine - He's a judge and he wouldn't lie to a reporter.

That's a different link you pathological liar.  Good grief.  LOL! . . . .

That's not what I was asking for.  Where is the link supporting this statement:  "The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling."  

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That's a different link you pathological liar.  Good grief.  LOL! . . . .

That's not what I was asking for.  Where is the link supporting this statement:  "The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling."  

Thank you for accepting the first half of my claim.  Now I shall prove the other half, about the muffling/inconsistency:

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon. The Sentinel‘s source confirmed that Zimmerman’s statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.
 
Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun, and the two struggled over it.
Those portions of Zimmerman’s account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

The Blaze = VERY credible - Glen Beck uses it daily on his show.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/alleged-zimmerman-claim-trayvon-put-his-hand-over-my-mouth-went-for-my-gun/

Beach Bum, I encourage you to read more about this story.  These are two pretty big 'exaggerations' or inconsistencies or outright lies - By ZImmerman - that you didn't know about.  You accuse me of being a liar, but you don't seem to know the basic info about this story.  These were talked about on conservative news as well as liberal outlets.  Do you follow the news on a day to day basis?

[James]

Thank you for accepting the first half of my claim.  Now I shall prove the other half, about the muffling/inconsistency:

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon. The Sentinel‘s source confirmed that Zimmerman’s statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.
 

Zimmerman at no time said that Martin put his hand over his mouth and kept it there until he shot him dead there-by preventing him from calling for help.. In a similar fashion, the fact that Zimmerman can be heard screaming for help is not proof that Martin did not cover Zimmerman’s mouth for some period of time.

He covered his mouth in the first place because Zimmerman was screaming for help… That corroborates his story, not refutes it.

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Thank you for accepting the first half of my claim.  Now I shall prove the other half, about the muffling/inconsistency:

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon. The Sentinel‘s source confirmed that Zimmerman’s statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.
 
Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun, and the two struggled over it.
Those portions of Zimmerman’s account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

The Blaze = VERY credible - Glen Beck uses it daily on his show.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/alleged-zimmerman-claim-trayvon-put-his-hand-over-my-mouth-went-for-my-gun/

Beach Bum, I encourage you to read more about this story.  These are two pretty big 'exaggerations' or inconsistencies or outright lies - By ZImmerman - that you didn't know about.  You accuse me of being a liar, but you don't seem to know the basic info about this story.  These were talked about on conservative news as well as liberal outlets.  Do you follow the news on a day to day basis?

Listen Pinnochio, don't get it twisted.  I don't "accuse" you of being a liar.  You ARE a friggin liar.  lol  I probably read less than half of what you post on the board, and in darn near every post I actually read, there is an embellishment or flat out falsehood.  I'll go out on a limb and say the rest of what I don't read is equally bad. 

Like this from the other thread:

LOL!  The lying liar at it again.  You said "he assaulted women.  domestic abuse charge." 

Lie no. 1:  it was one alleged woman. 

Lie no. 2:  he was apparently never charged with a crime.

Lie no. 3:  you posted this:  "In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence."  Here is the next sentence:  "Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted."  http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

Was there something else, or are you really an even bigger liar than I thought? 

But back to the present lie.  You said this:  "The recording (physical evidence) shows trayvon was silent and zimmerman was yelling like a bitch, with no muffling."  You've now given me a link that says this:  "But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said." 

So, a "source" told a reporter what they heard on the tape.  You haven't heard it.  You have no idea whether "the source" listened to the entire tape or whether the tape captures the entire confrontation.  In other words, you lied again. 

Do you ever tell the truth?  lol

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zimm going to prison.  lies all over the place.  and it's a shame because he probably did fear for his life after doing everything he could to start a fight he thought the police would break up, so that he could be victim/hero and trayvon would go to prison so his bike would be safe.

I cited the source.   ZImmerman delivered a straight-up inconsistency here.  One that he repeated.

Now, the same people who believed Cain when he said "I did nothing inappropriate in 43 years" (when he was secretly paying a lesbian money for a decade, among other things, and keeping it secret from his wife)

The same people who believed cain are going to fight tooth and nail to believe zimmerman here.  And that's cool  in the end, when he goes to prison, you can blame 'race terrorists" or "liberalism" or whatever.

Those of us with decent bullshit detectors knew from the moment we heard the 911 call that zimm was exaggerating or lying.   Not something you do when your WORD is the only thing keeping you out of prison after you shoot someone.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

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Zimmerman at no time said that Martin put his hand over his mouth and kept it there until he shot him dead there-by preventing him from calling for help.. In a similar fashion, the fact that Zimmerman can be heard screaming for help is not proof that Martin did not cover Zimmerman’s mouth for some period of time.

He covered his mouth in the first place because Zimmerman was screaming for help… That corroborates his story, not refutes it.

read this 240, just b/c trayvon covered zimmermans mouth doesnt mean it was covered the entire time....

if trayvon said, instead of yelled do you think the phone would have picked that up?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

This is Trayvon 2 weeks before he was murdered.    He's just a kid.....not some hardened criminal

[tonymctones]

This is Trayvon 2 weeks before he was murdered.    He's just a kid.....not some hardened criminal

LINK???

Also please cite the words in the article that says the other photos of trayvon were fake...

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read this 240, just b/c trayvon covered zimmermans mouth doesnt mean it was covered the entire time....

if trayvon said, instead of yelled do you think the phone would have picked that up?

Getbiggers are inventing the 'partial' coverage.   The sanford PD source said ti was a pretty big deal.  This leads me to believe zimmerman didn't say "it was only covered some of the time" or it woudln't have been such a big issue/contraction.

In other words, I trust the sanford PD source's conclusion - he had the evidence - over a 'maybe he meant' from getbig.

I can't prove, neither can any of us, so it's pointless to debate at this point, until the proof comes out.  All we know is that those who DO have all the evidence are saying zimmerman lied.