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Do you agree with this statement?
« on: May 24, 2012, 02:53:36 PM »
Most on the right and on the left want to help people but have very different ideas of how to go about this.
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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 03:02:45 PM »
Most on the right and on the left want to help people but have very different ideas of how to go about this.

I always wonder what the true motive is behind our politicians decisions that end up hurting us.

Are Obama and Bush intentionally fucking the United States or are they sincerely trying to do right?

I believe their are only about three people in the Federal Government who are doing what's right.


Are all the people that signed onto the Patriot Act ignorant, do they really believe they're protecting us?  

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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 03:34:28 PM »
Most on the right and on the left want to help people but have very different ideas of how to go about this.
Yes I do, I think that both sides want to help those less fortunate and that need help but have different ideas on going about it.

Conservatives who dont want govt in their lives and want to be allowed to keep more of their money tend to give more to charity

Liberals may give less to charity but want the govt to take the money and distribute it.

One could argue that liberals dont want to give their own money they just want to have others who are better off take care of those who have less but they still want those less fortunate taken care of.

This idea has been lost with the constant use of "the war on woman,children,minoritie etc." I think if you ask most on the left they would say conservatives dont care about helping ppl. I think the right would probably say about the same but probably a little more would concede the left geniunly wants to help.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 06:19:28 PM »
"They" don't want to help - fulfill an egotistical itch at most. Talk to people who are there "to help" others... mostly ego/money driven agendas especially among high profile folks like politicians.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 06:22:42 PM »
"They" don't want to help - fulfill an egotistical itch at most. Talk to people who are there "to help" others... mostly ego/money driven agendas especially among high profile folks like politicians.


I agree with this - the desire to "help" people is usually motivated out of ego as a way of feeling less shitty about being who they are.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2012, 06:49:42 PM »
Most on the right and on the left want to help people but have very different ideas of how to go about this.

I agree, most people, i disagree most elected politicians. 

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 07:53:00 PM »
I agree, most people, i disagree most elected politicians. 
LOL scratch what I said, I agree with this

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2012, 07:53:53 PM »
"They" don't want to help - fulfill an egotistical itch at most. Talk to people who are there "to help" others... mostly ego/money driven agendas especially among high profile folks like politicians.
I agree with this - the desire to "help" people is usually motivated out of ego as a way of feeling less shitty about being who they are.
Do either of you believe in a truly selfless act then? one in which the person acting gains nothing at all?

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2012, 08:03:20 PM »
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good
of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live
under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may
at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end for they do so with the approval
of their own conscience."




C.S. Lewis. 

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 08:04:11 PM »
Do either of you believe in a truly selfless act then? one in which the person acting gains nothing at all?
Yes, of course.
Theyre usually not the people that are on a "mission" to help people though.

There are exceptions, of course... some people really do dedicate their lives to the helping of others - but those that do it out of selflessness dont feel the need for everyone to KNOW or CARE that theyre lives are dedicated to helping others.

There also, is always the people that will throw their lives in harms way to help others. They also, usually, are not the kind of people who make sure everyone knows they want to help people.

With politicians, no, there is no such thing as a selfless act. Thats politics - the honest ones get thrown out for not telling everyone what they want to hear.
Ron Paul being a notable exception, but he's pretty much stalemated.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 08:48:19 PM »
I think most people are out for themselves and only themselves and when the chips are down, few and far between would go out of their way to help others.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2012, 06:13:15 AM »
Most on the right and on the left want to help people but have very different ideas of how to go about this.

Hell no

Repub wants to help the riches people in the world get even richer even if it means little kids cant get health insurance and therefore die


Repub helps rich folks and says fuck you too kids and poor people. How they can label themselves Christian is beyond me.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2012, 06:14:08 AM »
Hell no

Repub wants to help the riches people in the world get even richer even if it means little kids cant get health insurance and therefore die


Repub helps rich folks and says fuck you too kids and poor people. How they can label themselves Christian is beyond me.



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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2012, 06:30:37 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 05:39:51 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012, 05:54:00 AM »
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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2012, 01:44:07 PM »
Hell no

Repub wants to help the riches people in the world get even richer even if it means little kids cant get health insurance and therefore die


Repub helps rich folks and says fuck you too kids and poor people. How they can label themselves Christian is beyond me.


Come on, man. That's pretty big sweeping statement and it isn't correct either.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2012, 02:54:25 PM »
Come on, man. That's pretty big sweeping statement and it isn't correct either.

Whork is blacken700's gimmick and it has been documented that he is autistic and living on disability with his parents.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2012, 07:23:43 PM »
Hell no

Repub wants to help the riches people in the world get even richer even if it means little kids cant get health insurance and therefore die


Repub helps rich folks and says fuck you too kids and poor people. How they can label themselves Christian is beyond me.

who gives more to charity again?

why do you get to decide who needs help and who doesnt?

why dont we let the ppl giving their help decide it?

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2012, 09:23:37 PM »
 Good find, 3. The last true Conservative President.
He would be considered a Liberal by todays standards for sure.  Especially his tax rate at over 90 percent of income for the wealthy.  My Grandfather was hit by this and refused to pay and decided instead to take jail time rather than pay 90 percent.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2012, 09:25:12 PM »
who gives more to charity again?

why do you get to decide who needs help and who doesnt?

why dont we let the ppl giving their help decide it?
Atheists give the most to charity.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2012, 09:27:50 PM »
Atheists give the most to charity.

Can you say BS? I knew that you could.

Talk to the people who've actually been helped by charitable organizations and see how many atheists you find.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2012, 09:29:11 PM »
Can you say BS? I knew that you could.
Uh, Bill Gates alone has given away more money than all of your Jesus Bullshit Churches.

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2012, 09:43:10 PM »
Uh, Bill Gates alone has given away more money than all of your Jesus Bullshit Churches.

Not even close!! There are churches and members that have given to charity long before Bill Gates even existed.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2012, 09:07:16 PM »
Atheists give the most to charity.

Really?  Never heard that.  Not sure if it's true, but here is something I just read:

Atheism and charity

Per capita atheists and agnostics in America give significantly less to charity than theists even when church giving is not counted for theists.

Concerning the issue of atheism and charity, charitable giving by atheists and agnostics in America is significantly less than by theists, according to a study by the Barna Group:

“    The typical no-faith American donated just $200 in 2006, which is more than seven times less than the amount contributed by the prototypical active-faith adult ($1500). Even when church-based giving is subtracted from the equation, active-faith adults donated twice as many dollars last year as did atheists and agnostics. In fact, while just 7% of active-faith adults failed to contribute any personal funds in 2006, that compares with 22% among the no-faith adults.[1]    ”

A comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam found that religious people are more charitable than their irreligious counterparts.[2][3] The study revealed that forty percent of worship service attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly as opposed to 15% of Americans who never attend services.[4][5] Moreover, religious individuals are more likely than non-religious individuals to volunteer for school and youth programs (36% vs. 15%), a neighborhood or civic group (26% vs. 13%), and for health care (21% vs. 13%).[6][7]

Arthur C. Brooks wrote in Policy Review regarding data collected in the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey (SCCBS) (data collected by in 2000 by researchers at universities throughout the United States and the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research):

“    The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions.[8]    ”
ABC News reported the following:

“    ...the single biggest predictor of whether someone will be charitable is their religious participation.
Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money: four times as much. And Arthur Brooks told me that giving goes beyond their own religious organization:

"Actually, the truth is that they're giving to more than their churches," he says. "The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities."[9]


Given that atheistic evolutionary thinking has engendered social darwinism and given that the proponents of atheism have no rational basis for morality in their ideology, the immoral views that atheists often hold and the low per capita giving of American atheists is not unpredictable.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_charity