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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2012, 09:11:09 PM »
Conservapedia. LOLOLOLOLOL  You should check out their entry on Evolution for a laugh.  Oh wait, you are a stupid Creationist so that won`t work.


That is by far the worst site on earth.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2012, 09:15:25 PM »
Conservapedia. LOLOLOLOLOL  You should check out their entry on Evolution for a laugh.  Oh wait, you are a stupid Creationist so that won`t work.


That is by far the worst site on earth.

Did you read the article? 

And you calling someone stupid is pretty funny.   ;D

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2012, 10:29:29 PM »
Did you read the article? 

And you calling someone stupid is pretty funny.   ;D
No point since its a blatant lie and full of shit, totally made up.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2012, 10:41:46 PM »
Atheists give the most to charity.

LOL    ;D

Ah, NO.

Who gives the most to charity?

"Americans give more to charity, per capita and as a percentage of gross domestic product, than the citizens of other nations"

"The most charitable people in America today are the working poor."

"it's in fact low-income employed Americans who give the highest portion of their income, or 4.5%."

"low-income people give almost 30 percent more as a share of their income."

"When you look at the data," says Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks, "it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money."

"But the idea that liberals give more is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above-average percentage of their income, all but one (Maryland) were red -- conservative -- states in the last presidential election."

"The people who give one thing tend to be the people who give everything in America. You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away."

"Conservatives are even 18 percent more likely to donate blood."

"Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money -- four times as much."

"Religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly nonreligious charities. Religious people give more blood; religious people give more to homeless people on the street."



Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism
by Arthur C. Brooks
# ISBN-10: 0465008232
# ISBN-13: 978-0465008230

Who Gives The Most?
http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/24/america-philanthropy-income-oped-cx_ee_1226eaves.html

Who Gives and Who Doesn't?
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2682730

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2012, 10:47:09 PM »
"We atheists have to accept that most believers are better human beings"

Roy Hattersley
The Guardian, Monday 12 September 2005


Hurricane Katrina did not stay on the front pages for long. Yesterday's Red Cross appeal for an extra 40,000 volunteer workers was virtually ignored.

The disaster will return to the headlines when one sort of newspaper reports a particularly gruesome discovery or another finds additional evidence of President Bush's negligence. But month after month of unremitting suffering is not news. Nor is the monotonous performance of the unpleasant tasks that relieve the pain and anguish of the old, the sick and the homeless - the tasks in which the Salvation Army specialise.

The Salvation Army has been given a special status as provider-in-chief of American disaster relief. But its work is being augmented by all sorts of other groups. Almost all of them have a religious origin and character.

Notable by their absence are teams from rationalist societies, free thinkers' clubs and atheists' associations - the sort of people who not only scoff at religion's intellectual absurdity but also regard it as a positive force for evil.


The arguments against religion are well known and persuasive. Faith schools, as they are now called, have left sectarian scars on Northern Ireland. Stem-cell research is forbidden because an imaginary God - who is not enough of a philosopher to realise that the ingenuity of a scientist is just as natural as the instinct of Rousseau's noble savage - condemns what he does not understand and the churches that follow his teaching forbid their members to pursue cures for lethal diseases.

Yet men and women who believe that the Pope is the devil incarnate, or (conversely) regard his ex cathedra pronouncements as holy writ, are the people most likely to take the risks and make the sacrifices involved in helping others. Last week a middle-ranking officer of the Salvation Army, who gave up a well-paid job to devote his life to the poor, attempted to convince me that homosexuality is a mortal sin.

Late at night, on the streets of one of our great cities, that man offers friendship as well as help to the most degraded and (to those of a censorious turn of mind) degenerate human beings who exist just outside the boundaries of our society. And he does what he believes to be his Christian duty without the slightest suggestion of disapproval. Yet, for much of his time, he is meeting needs that result from conduct he regards as intrinsically wicked.

Civilised people do not believe that drug addiction and male prostitution offend against divine ordinance. But those who do are the men and women most willing to change the fetid bandages, replace the sodden sleeping bags and - probably most difficult of all - argue, without a trace of impatience, that the time has come for some serious medical treatment. Good works, John Wesley insisted, are no guarantee of a place in heaven. But they are most likely to be performed by people who believe that heaven exists.

The correlation is so clear that it is impossible to doubt that faith and charity go hand in hand. The close relationship may have something to do with the belief that we are all God's children, or it may be the result of a primitive conviction that, although helping others is no guarantee of salvation, it is prudent to be recorded in a book of gold, like James Leigh Hunt's Abu Ben Adam, as "one who loves his fellow men". Whatever the reason, believers answer the call, and not just the Salvation Army. When I was a local councillor, the Little Sisters of the Poor - right at the other end of the theological spectrum - did the weekly washing for women in back-to-back houses who were too ill to scrub for themselves.

It ought to be possible to live a Christian life without being a Christian or, better still, to take Christianity à la carte. The Bible is so full of contradictions that we can accept or reject its moral advice according to taste. Yet men and women who, like me, cannot accept the mysteries and the miracles do not go out with the Salvation Army at night.

The only possible conclusion is that faith comes with a packet of moral imperatives that, while they do not condition the attitude of all believers, influence enough of them to make them morally superior to atheists like me. The truth may make us free. But it has not made us as admirable as the average captain in the Salvation Army.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/12/religion.uk/print

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2012, 12:38:37 AM »
LOL    ;D

Ah, NO.

Who gives the most to charity?

"Americans give more to charity, per capita and as a percentage of gross domestic product, than the citizens of other nations"

"The most charitable people in America today are the working poor."

"it's in fact low-income employed Americans who give the highest portion of their income, or 4.5%."

"low-income people give almost 30 percent more as a share of their income."

"When you look at the data," says Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks, "it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money."

"But the idea that liberals give more is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above-average percentage of their income, all but one (Maryland) were red -- conservative -- states in the last presidential election."

"The people who give one thing tend to be the people who give everything in America. You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away."

"Conservatives are even 18 percent more likely to donate blood."

"Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money -- four times as much."

"Religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly nonreligious charities. Religious people give more blood; religious people give more to homeless people on the street."



Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism
by Arthur C. Brooks
# ISBN-10: 0465008232
# ISBN-13: 978-0465008230

Who Gives The Most?
http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/24/america-philanthropy-income-oped-cx_ee_1226eaves.html

Who Gives and Who Doesn't?
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2682730
The world would be a much better place without all of the religious people.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2012, 09:23:28 AM »
No point since its a blatant lie and full of shit, totally made up.

Really?  Even the part that cites the study done by a Harvard professor? 

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2012, 09:25:04 AM »
LOL    ;D

Ah, NO.

Who gives the most to charity?

"Americans give more to charity, per capita and as a percentage of gross domestic product, than the citizens of other nations"

"The most charitable people in America today are the working poor."

"it's in fact low-income employed Americans who give the highest portion of their income, or 4.5%."

"low-income people give almost 30 percent more as a share of their income."

"When you look at the data," says Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks, "it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money."

"But the idea that liberals give more is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above-average percentage of their income, all but one (Maryland) were red -- conservative -- states in the last presidential election."

"The people who give one thing tend to be the people who give everything in America. You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away."

"Conservatives are even 18 percent more likely to donate blood."

"Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money -- four times as much."

"Religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly nonreligious charities. Religious people give more blood; religious people give more to homeless people on the street."



Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism
by Arthur C. Brooks
# ISBN-10: 0465008232
# ISBN-13: 978-0465008230

Who Gives The Most?
http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/24/america-philanthropy-income-oped-cx_ee_1226eaves.html

Who Gives and Who Doesn't?
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2682730

Bwahahahaha!!!!  Let that be a lesson to you "True Adonis."  Don't mess with El Profeta.  He will bring the smack down, in the name of Jesus.  lol . . . .

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2012, 09:26:01 AM »
"We atheists have to accept that most believers are better human beings"

Roy Hattersley
The Guardian, Monday 12 September 2005


Hurricane Katrina did not stay on the front pages for long. Yesterday's Red Cross appeal for an extra 40,000 volunteer workers was virtually ignored.

The disaster will return to the headlines when one sort of newspaper reports a particularly gruesome discovery or another finds additional evidence of President Bush's negligence. But month after month of unremitting suffering is not news. Nor is the monotonous performance of the unpleasant tasks that relieve the pain and anguish of the old, the sick and the homeless - the tasks in which the Salvation Army specialise.

The Salvation Army has been given a special status as provider-in-chief of American disaster relief. But its work is being augmented by all sorts of other groups. Almost all of them have a religious origin and character.

Notable by their absence are teams from rationalist societies, free thinkers' clubs and atheists' associations - the sort of people who not only scoff at religion's intellectual absurdity but also regard it as a positive force for evil.


The arguments against religion are well known and persuasive. Faith schools, as they are now called, have left sectarian scars on Northern Ireland. Stem-cell research is forbidden because an imaginary God - who is not enough of a philosopher to realise that the ingenuity of a scientist is just as natural as the instinct of Rousseau's noble savage - condemns what he does not understand and the churches that follow his teaching forbid their members to pursue cures for lethal diseases.

Yet men and women who believe that the Pope is the devil incarnate, or (conversely) regard his ex cathedra pronouncements as holy writ, are the people most likely to take the risks and make the sacrifices involved in helping others. Last week a middle-ranking officer of the Salvation Army, who gave up a well-paid job to devote his life to the poor, attempted to convince me that homosexuality is a mortal sin.

Late at night, on the streets of one of our great cities, that man offers friendship as well as help to the most degraded and (to those of a censorious turn of mind) degenerate human beings who exist just outside the boundaries of our society. And he does what he believes to be his Christian duty without the slightest suggestion of disapproval. Yet, for much of his time, he is meeting needs that result from conduct he regards as intrinsically wicked.

Civilised people do not believe that drug addiction and male prostitution offend against divine ordinance. But those who do are the men and women most willing to change the fetid bandages, replace the sodden sleeping bags and - probably most difficult of all - argue, without a trace of impatience, that the time has come for some serious medical treatment. Good works, John Wesley insisted, are no guarantee of a place in heaven. But they are most likely to be performed by people who believe that heaven exists.

The correlation is so clear that it is impossible to doubt that faith and charity go hand in hand. The close relationship may have something to do with the belief that we are all God's children, or it may be the result of a primitive conviction that, although helping others is no guarantee of salvation, it is prudent to be recorded in a book of gold, like James Leigh Hunt's Abu Ben Adam, as "one who loves his fellow men". Whatever the reason, believers answer the call, and not just the Salvation Army. When I was a local councillor, the Little Sisters of the Poor - right at the other end of the theological spectrum - did the weekly washing for women in back-to-back houses who were too ill to scrub for themselves.

It ought to be possible to live a Christian life without being a Christian or, better still, to take Christianity à la carte. The Bible is so full of contradictions that we can accept or reject its moral advice according to taste. Yet men and women who, like me, cannot accept the mysteries and the miracles do not go out with the Salvation Army at night.

The only possible conclusion is that faith comes with a packet of moral imperatives that, while they do not condition the attitude of all believers, influence enough of them to make them morally superior to atheists like me. The truth may make us free. But it has not made us as admirable as the average captain in the Salvation Army.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/12/religion.uk/print

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2012, 10:37:16 AM »
Bwahahahaha!!!!  Let that be a lesson to you "True Adonis."  Don't mess with El Profeta.  He will bring the smack down, in the name of Jesus.  lol . . . .
Wrong for so many reasons.  Atheists in America only make up around 10-16 percent of the population, yet the money donated by them EXCEED Christians Per Capita.  Also, broaden your search to the world and you will find Atheists in Scandinavian countries (where most of the population are Atheist), European Countries when coupled with the United States 10-16 percent, exceed the miserable Christians.

Furthermore donating to a Church does not count at all as donating to charity.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2012, 10:58:20 AM »
We need to define what "Help" means in this context.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2012, 11:10:02 AM »
Wrong for so many reasons.  Atheists in America only make up around 10-16 percent of the population, yet the money donated by them EXCEED Christians Per Capita.  Also, broaden your search to the world and you will find Atheists in Scandinavian countries (where most of the population are Atheist), European Countries when coupled with the United States 10-16 percent, exceed the miserable Christians.

Furthermore donating to a Church does not count at all as donating to charity.

 ::)  Slither away dum dum.  Put some ice on that swelling.  lol   ;D

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2012, 09:34:13 AM »
QUESTION:

If being Jewish is a religion, how can an atheist be a Jew? Or are they a race? Reason I ask is whenever its claimed Jews are not white the argument made by ignorant people is that being Jewish is not about race, it's about a religion. What utter horseshit!

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« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2012, 10:17:06 AM »
QUESTION:

If being Jewish is a religion, how can an atheist be a Jew? Or are they a race? Reason I ask is whenever its claimed Jews are not white the argument made by ignorant people is that being Jewish is not about race, it's about a religion. What utter horseshit!
Cultural Identity.  Most Jews are Atheists. 

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2012, 01:17:00 PM »

Furthermore donating to a Church does not count at all as donating to charity.

Do you think all the $ that is given to churches goes to upkeep/maintenance/salaries etc?  Wrong.  Much of the $ given to churches goes to helping others in many ways....ways which even you would agree is "charity."


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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2012, 01:27:06 PM »
I'm not sure if the text I'm quoting here is yours, or part of the copy-paste.

Given that atheistic evolutionary thinking has engendered social darwinism and given that the proponents of atheism have no rational basis for morality in their ideology, the immoral views that atheists often hold and the low per capita giving of American atheists is not unpredictable.

I only have one thing to say about this: BULLSHIT.

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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2012, 02:04:15 PM »
Wrong for so many reasons.  Atheists in America only make up around 10-16 percent of the population, yet the money donated by them EXCEED Christians Per Capita.  Also, broaden your search to the world and you will find Atheists in Scandinavian countries (where most of the population are Atheist), European Countries when coupled with the United States 10-16 percent, exceed the miserable Christians.

Furthermore donating to a Church does not count at all as donating to charity.

Are you still posting in this thread?  lol.  You are so full of crap. 

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2012, 02:04:46 PM »
Cultural Identity.  Most Jews are Atheists. 

Proof?

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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2012, 02:05:41 PM »
I'm not sure if the text I'm quoting here is yours, or part of the copy-paste.

I only have one thing to say about this: BULLSHIT.

It's obviously not my quote.

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2012, 02:51:30 PM »
It's obviously not my quote.

OK. It's still bullshit :)

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2012, 04:37:15 PM »
So?

I just find it interesting that you'd post bullshit.

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« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2012, 06:46:38 PM »
I just find it interesting that you'd post bullshit.

Really?  You post it everyday, so it should make you feel right at home.   :)

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Re: Do you agree with this statement?
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2012, 07:47:09 PM »
Really?  You post it everyday, so it should make you feel right at home.   :)

Tisk tisk! And just a day or so ago you were trying to call me out for supposedly making ad hominem attacks.

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« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2012, 01:08:05 PM »
Tisk tisk! And just a day or so ago you were trying to call me out for supposedly making ad hominem attacks.

That wasn't ad hominem.  That was attacking what you post, not you the individual.  If said were to say you are a doofus who posts BS every day, that would be ad hominem. 

No, I'm not calling you a doofus.