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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2012, 01:48:35 PM »
lol, so according to your logic the onus is on me to "disprove" your stupid comment otherwise it's deemed to be true?  Like i said, the fact that you claiming SEO based on those pics proves you don't konw what you're talking about.

I can tell you have competed because of the test-addled rage I've sent you into by putting forward the simple probability that Nasser used oil in '97. Admittedly I can't find the pic which best proves my point, so I'll leave it alone, but the conditioning point is a fair comment by me I think? Are you disputing that Dorian had far superior conditioning to Nasser? I can't fully tell what your point is other than that I have not competed, which I haven't. I've gotten a whole lot bigger than you currently appear if that's you in your avatar though, and I know a thing or two about building muscle and conditioning,

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2012, 01:51:39 PM »
Nasser NEVER used oil in his physique  ::)  vicious lies spread by pumpkin heads

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2012, 02:28:17 PM »
I can tell you have competed because of the test-addled rage I've sent you into by putting forward the simple probability that Nasser used oil in '97. Admittedly I can't find the pic which best proves my point, so I'll leave it alone, but the conditioning point is a fair comment by me I think? Are you disputing that Dorian had far superior conditioning to Nasser? I can't fully tell what your point is other than that I have not competed, which I haven't. I've gotten a whole lot bigger than you currently appear if that's you in your avatar though, and I know a thing or two about building muscle and conditioning,

Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics.  Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned."  For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned. 

LOL no rage here, just find it funny how some people look at a picture and conclude there's "oil" ie SEO.  Someone else said in another post in an unrelated thread recenty to the effect that if you knew how many cc's of anabolics top pros take you would realize that there's often the potential for scar tissue buildup or even some swelling from anabolics as opposed to SEO.  Some pictures make a stronger arguement but not those 97 shots.

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2012, 02:32:25 PM »
Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics.  Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned."  For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned. 

LOL no rage here, just find it funny how some people look at a picture and conclude there's "oil" ie SEO.  Someone else said in another post in an unrelated thread recenty to the effect that if you knew how many cc's of anabolics top pros take you would realize that there's often the potential for scar tissue buildup or even some swelling from anabolics as opposed to SEO.  Some pictures make a stronger arguement but not those 97 shots.
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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2012, 04:27:16 PM »
Nasser had a bad FDB in 97 because his arms were loaded with oil 5 years later  ::)


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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2012, 04:32:54 PM »
Nasser had a bad FDB in 97 because his arms were loaded with oil 5 years later  ::)



Nasser easily won the front double biceps pose and if the Olympia was judged on that pose alone then even I would say he should have won in 97

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2012, 04:59:20 PM »
Nasser had a bad FDB in 97 because his arms were loaded with oil 5 years later  ::)


I dont think anyone would argue that Nasser lost the FDB.
Nasser crushed Yates in the FDB in 97.

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2012, 05:03:20 PM »
Here is a shot of Nasser backstage with the amateurs during one of our tours.
I thought he was a good sport to do this for the guys, I am sure they would have treasured the opportunity.

TD



great pic Tony and thanks for posting it
must bring back some great memories  :)

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2012, 05:04:45 PM »
Summed up perfectly:

"He won despite a huge belly (looking like he was pregnant in the sixth month), a waist like a drum, a torn up left biceps, a freshly torn left triceps, a quad tear left, a quad tear right, a torn right hip. He won it with a perfect score, which was just unbelievable. This was a completely staged outcome and the biggest bodybuilding robbery of the 20th century by the clique of judges who “judged”.

I also have to say that some judges had Dorian Yates even in third and fourth place, because about 13 judges judged officially. I think you just use seven of the score sheets. But these judges’ (who scored Dorian lower) score sheets had not been used and some of the judges’ had then been removed from the judging panel because they did not produce what was expected of them to produce.

There are multiple reasons why I did not win. Some judges did not want to upset their friend Dorian and they did not want him to go out of bodybuilding with a defeat after all his injuries and tears. They did not want to give another non-U.S. guy the most prestigious title in bodybuilding because it would underline the U.S. inferiority in bodybuilding compared to non-U.S. athletes."

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2012, 05:34:20 PM »
Here is the relatively unknown Ronnie Coleman the same year.

ON his way to becoming the G.O.A.T.

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2012, 05:35:45 PM »
Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics.  Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned."  For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned.  

You also shouldn't look at one picture and draw conclusions.  Yates was better conditioned overall.  See?

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2012, 06:09:46 PM »
Here is the relatively unknown Ronnie Coleman the same year.

ON his way to becoming the G.O.A.T.


Ronnie was already starting to get noticed in 96 when he really started to improve his phjysique

remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O

great pics TD!

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2012, 06:58:35 PM »

Ronnie was already starting to get noticed in 96 when he really started to improve his phjysique

remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O

great pics TD!
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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2012, 07:00:07 PM »
Nasser NEVER used oil in his physique  ::)  vicious lies spread by pumpkin heads

Didn't Nasser admit to using oil in a PBW show a few years ago? He also said 95% of pros use it.

That photo isn't conclusive. Look at how the guy is holding Nasser's left arm. When people hold your arm like that, it pushes the biceps up (similar to how people push their biceps out in a crossed-arm "block" pose to look bigger.) Show me Nasser doing the same movement, with his bicep looking like that and no guy holding his arm.

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #64 on: May 31, 2012, 07:06:28 PM »
OK, so here is one from the side. Just to add to the argument.
Never seen before.
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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #65 on: May 31, 2012, 07:26:53 PM »
OK, so here is one from the side. Just to add to the argument.
Never seen before.
 ;D


where's nasser's number on his thong? that just lost him the pose.  not to mention he's standing on the left, the person on the left always looks worse and should lose the pose.

yates D e s t r o y i n g him here, nasser shouldn't even be pro he doesn't even look like he works out.

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #66 on: May 31, 2012, 07:37:42 PM »
yates is killing googly eye nasser in the side chest.

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #67 on: May 31, 2012, 08:05:52 PM »
Nasser easily won the front double biceps pose and if the Olympia was judged on that pose alone then even I would say he should have won in 97
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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2012, 08:54:16 PM »
OK, so here is one from the side. Just to add to the argument.
Never seen before.
 ;D



TD

how far were you sitting from the stage? looks liek you had great seats

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2012, 09:11:09 PM »
TD

how far were you sitting from the stage? looks liek you had great seats

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2012, 02:50:14 AM »
Nassers early-mid90s seo use was smart, like levrone, flex,  cc, dillett, etc

Only when his physique declined did it become obvious (as with flex) due to playing catch-up with more oil, and less muscle

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2012, 05:13:44 AM »

Ronnie was already starting to get noticed in 96 when he really started to improve his phjysique

remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O

great pics TD!

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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2012, 05:42:23 AM »

remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O



Yeah, except he didn't.  I was at that show.

He definitely looked good, though.  You guys just have no idea what an in condition Yates looked like in person.
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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2012, 07:06:05 AM »
Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics.  Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned."  For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned. 

LOL no rage here, just find it funny how some people look at a picture and conclude there's "oil" ie SEO.  Someone else said in another post in an unrelated thread recenty to the effect that if you knew how many cc's of anabolics top pros take you would realize that there's often the potential for scar tissue buildup or even some swelling from anabolics as opposed to SEO.  Some pictures make a stronger arguement but not those 97 shots.

I guess glutes and lower back are seen as the acid test for dehydration and general "conditioning" in the modern era. The fact Nasser has a massive film of water all over his back invariably indicates he is in less good shape than Dorian on that occassion, even if he's just carrying more water. It is just one or two bodyparts you're right, but Dorian carries no visible water or fat anywhere, so wholistically speaking wins the conditioning surely?

I appreciate what you say about scar tissue and even cysts or needle-related weird looking shit on people's bodies, but only one or two years later Nasser was getting marked down for obviously synthol use in his biceps and rear delts, so it doesn't seem too much of a reach?!


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Re: Never before seen pic from 97 Olympia
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2012, 08:44:47 AM »
Yeah, except he didn't.  I was at that show.

He definitely looked good, though.  You guys just have no idea what an in condition Yates looked like in person.

Oh yeah I always forget how Yates had that strange uniqueness where he looked much better than other pros in person but as soon as you try to take a photo of it, it somehow gave Yates the disadvantage making him look worse than other top pros like Nasser. 

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