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ami ruining bodybuilding
« on: November 02, 2005, 11:36:15 PM »
I play guitar, and have for a very long time. You are probably wondering what the hell that has to do with bodybuilding, lee priest, weider/ami or the fucked-up Olympia, but I promise you, it all ties in.  stay with me.
   Some of you will remember a few years back when limp bizkit was holding the tryout tour, going around to different cities and letting guitarists audition for the spot in the band.  So when they came to Austin, about 5000 guitarists, myself included lined up for a shot.  When we finally made it inside, they had a few legal documents for us to sign.  One was a document saying that we were only auditioning, and this was by no means assuring us a spot in the band.  No shit.  The second said that we were to play an original song that had never been recorded by anyone.  No limp bizkit songs, not a killer Hendrix cover, no.  it had to be a song of mine, something I had created.  Not a problem.  I could get on stage and shit out something better than most of the bullshit on the radio now a days.  The third one, however, was different.  It said that whatever we played, which you will remember had to be original, now became the intellectual property of limp bizkit and Geffen records.  so we had a minute to play.  One.  One minute where probably 50,000 guitarists got on stage and played a very original, very intimate part of themselves that, just for the privilege of auditioning in front of L.B.’s representatives, now belonged to someone that didn’t make it up.  So in theory, limp bizkit, could take those 50,000 one minute auditions, and because they now owned those pieces of music, one of them being mine, could create tracks, or an entire CD on music they didn’t write.  Tell me if that isn’t bullshit.  Musicians struggle and sweat and bleed to create something that someone else will hear and appreciate and, maybe, want other people to hear.  That’s how they survive.  And for limp bizkit/Geffen records to come along and say just for the privilege of one minute of audition time, we get to own, and potentially market as OUR OWN, something you created is, at least to me, awfully fvcked up.

   Every athlete that signs the contract to be in the Olympia signed THIRTEEN pages of legalese basically stating that all the images from the pay per view are now owned by weider/ami FOR LIFE. It’s the same thing at the Arnold, but not in as much dense paperwork.  Also, if you are chosen to be in the battle for the Olympia dvd you have no choice but to do it, and also get no type of royalty or compensation. You also don’t get a kitchen in your hotel room, you don’t get to have a shuttle from the contest to the expo (an hour away at the convention center).  Hell, as of the athletes meeting, now just being an IFBB pro doesn’t guarantee you tickets to an ifbb event you aren’t competing in.  you have to call ahead and ask permission from the promoter to attend the event for free, and they have the ability to tell you no, thank you Bob Chick.  When I played high school football, they gave us passes to attend all the other school sporting events for free, but somehow professional athletes cant get that privilege. You are contractually obligated to, after at least twelve weeks of dieting and nothing to drink for probably a day, attend the vip meet and greet the night before the contest. Couldn’t wait till after the contest, like the first hour at the expo? Nope.  The night before. I know that’s what I’d want to do…    basically, for the privilege of competing on stage at the poorly run  “super bowl of bodybuilding”, you get treated like ass, and weider/ami gets to make oodles of dollars off the pictures, pay per view and dvd of you.  Of the body that you created.  You know how much weider/ami made last year? I do.  It was in forbes magazine in the issue that talked about the $10 billion industry bodybuilding and fitness has become.  They made $498 million dollars, including the Olympia pay per view and subsequent video sales.  Almost a half a billion dollars.  Olympia prize money? The be dispersed among the athletes without which there would be no weider/ami? A little over 600 large. Or about1.3 %  roughly, that is.  And the athletes cant get a room with a kitchen in it?  All that money they make off the athletes, and they cant get a fruit basket, or tickets to other events.
     Im a lee priest fan.  You need to know that.  I train at one of the gyms he visits in Austin and ive had the honor of many conversations with him.  He loves his fans and he truly loves to train, which is the heart and soul of our sport.  Take away the stage, the tan the posing trunks, the glory the money, the applause. Take it all away and he, like I, would still train.   That’s why im a lee priest fan.  Was his decision right or wrong? I’m not one to say.  But I understand.  By the way, I was one of a hundred guitarists that got called back to actually audition in front of limp bizkit.  Probably to give away another piece of myself just for the privilege.  Fvck that…
   Joe, Mr. Weider, if you are reading this, I know the contest is not under your control anymore, but you can interviene.  You know, I know your neighbors in vegas, barb and cliff.  Ive seen the gated community off summerlyn parkway and the TWO amazing houses you own on either side of their property.  Ive seen the million dollar condo in vegas across from the wynn.  We’ve met. Do you remember? I was the little fat kid just getting into body building about five years ago? Maybe not. You gave me the july 1999 60th anniversary (biggest issue ever) muscle and fitness with you on the cover, and even signed it. Look at where your contest has gone.  Like I said, ive seen the homes.  I know the financial figures. The athletes have taken good care of you.  Please, take care of them…

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Re: ami ruining bodybuilding
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2005, 06:16:15 AM »
well said.. i totally agree!

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2005, 10:24:24 AM »
Just like the old saying goes in Vegas.  "The casinos were built by losers"  Meaning the losers who "lose" their money at the tables.  Same thing with Weidrs lifestyle,  His homes were built by losers.  The same losers who lose when they sign with him or compete in the IFBB.  He is as bad as Don King

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2005, 01:53:33 PM »
It starts with the athletes. Guys like Ronnie have to say enough is enough. But who are we kidding? He and a few others have made a damn good living from the sport. No Ronnie = no bums on seats.

ALL the guys who get to the Olympia should get something. What's a few grand these days? At LEAST pay them for their time.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2005, 02:03:41 PM »
Lee Priest is the only one who isnt afraid to stand up for whats right. Its funny how right before the Olympia Flex prints year old quotes of Lees dissapproval of the O.

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2005, 02:34:23 PM »
Flex sucks. When I was younger I got sucked into thinking I could look like these guys just by taking Creatine and Tribulus etc. At least MD tells it like it is! Good to see a few MD 'Collectors Editions' too. Ha! That was a classic. Flex has Arnold specials and then everyone else does as well. Can't be too special then!

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2005, 09:12:27 PM »
Someone should forward a link of this thread to Joe Weider in his email. Surely someone around here has his email addy...

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2005, 09:24:36 PM »
I play guitar, and have for a very long time. You are probably wondering what the hell that has to do with bodybuilding, lee priest, weider/ami or the fucked-up Olympia, but I promise you, it all ties in.  stay with me.
   Some of you will remember a few years back when limp bizkit was holding the tryout tour, going around to different cities and letting guitarists audition for the spot in the band.  So when they came to Austin, about 5000 guitarists, myself included lined up for a shot.  When we finally made it inside, they had a few legal documents for us to sign.  One was a document saying that we were only auditioning, and this was by no means assuring us a spot in the band.  No shit.  The second said that we were to play an original song that had never been recorded by anyone.  No limp bizkit songs, not a killer Hendrix cover, no.  it had to be a song of mine, something I had created.  Not a problem.  I could get on stage and shit out something better than most of the bullshit on the radio now a days.  The third one, however, was different.  It said that whatever we played, which you will remember had to be original, now became the intellectual property of limp bizkit and Geffen records.  so we had a minute to play.  One.  One minute where probably 50,000 guitarists got on stage and played a very original, very intimate part of themselves that, just for the privilege of auditioning in front of L.B.’s representatives, now belonged to someone that didn’t make it up.  So in theory, limp bizkit, could take those 50,000 one minute auditions, and because they now owned those pieces of music, one of them being mine, could create tracks, or an entire CD on music they didn’t write.  Tell me if that isn’t bullshit.  Musicians struggle and sweat and bleed to create something that someone else will hear and appreciate and, maybe, want other people to hear.  That’s how they survive.  And for limp bizkit/Geffen records to come along and say just for the privilege of one minute of audition time, we get to own, and potentially market as OUR OWN, something you created is, at least to me, awfully fvcked up.

   Every athlete that signs the contract to be in the Olympia signed THIRTEEN pages of legalese basically stating that all the images from the pay per view are now owned by weider/ami FOR LIFE. It’s the same thing at the Arnold, but not in as much dense paperwork.  Also, if you are chosen to be in the battle for the Olympia dvd you have no choice but to do it, and also get no type of royalty or compensation. You also don’t get a kitchen in your hotel room, you don’t get to have a shuttle from the contest to the expo (an hour away at the convention center).  Hell, as of the athletes meeting, now just being an IFBB pro doesn’t guarantee you tickets to an ifbb event you aren’t competing in.  you have to call ahead and ask permission from the promoter to attend the event for free, and they have the ability to tell you no, thank you Bob Chick.  When I played high school football, they gave us passes to attend all the other school sporting events for free, but somehow professional athletes cant get that privilege. You are contractually obligated to, after at least twelve weeks of dieting and nothing to drink for probably a day, attend the vip meet and greet the night before the contest. Couldn’t wait till after the contest, like the first hour at the expo? Nope.  The night before. I know that’s what I’d want to do…    basically, for the privilege of competing on stage at the poorly run  “super bowl of bodybuilding”, you get treated like ass, and weider/ami gets to make oodles of dollars off the pictures, pay per view and dvd of you.  Of the body that you created.  You know how much weider/ami made last year? I do.  It was in forbes magazine in the issue that talked about the $10 billion industry bodybuilding and fitness has become.  They made $498 million dollars, including the Olympia pay per view and subsequent video sales.  Almost a half a billion dollars.  Olympia prize money? The be dispersed among the athletes without which there would be no weider/ami? A little over 600 large. Or about1.3 %  roughly, that is.  And the athletes cant get a room with a kitchen in it?  All that money they make off the athletes, and they cant get a fruit basket, or tickets to other events.
     Im a lee priest fan.  You need to know that.  I train at one of the gyms he visits in Austin and ive had the honor of many conversations with him.  He loves his fans and he truly loves to train, which is the heart and soul of our sport.  Take away the stage, the tan the posing trunks, the glory the money, the applause. Take it all away and he, like I, would still train.   That’s why im a lee priest fan.  Was his decision right or wrong? I’m not one to say.  But I understand.  By the way, I was one of a hundred guitarists that got called back to actually audition in front of limp bizkit.  Probably to give away another piece of myself just for the privilege.  Fvck that…
   Joe, Mr. Weider, if you are reading this, I know the contest is not under your control anymore, but you can interviene.  You know, I know your neighbors in vegas, barb and cliff.  Ive seen the gated community off summerlyn parkway and the TWO amazing houses you own on either side of their property.  Ive seen the million dollar condo in vegas across from the wynn.  We’ve met. Do you remember? I was the little fat kid just getting into body building about five years ago? Maybe not. You gave me the july 1999 60th anniversary (biggest issue ever) muscle and fitness with you on the cover, and even signed it. Look at where your contest has gone.  Like I said, ive seen the homes.  I know the financial figures. The athletes have taken good care of you.  Please, take care of them…


I agree 100% on this post, but FYI, bodybuilding was ruined years ago. The "business" of bodybuilding has made it worse!

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Re: ami ruining bodybuilding
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2006, 11:12:34 AM »
In the sense that they live & profit off the work of others, the Weiders could be called the biggest parasites of bodybuilding, or possibly the biggest con artists, since they get the 'builders to voluntarily work for free & donate their lives to the well being of the empire the Weiders built, & that couldn't continue without the stable of pros they established the ground rules for.  How many men are competing these days on the off-chance they can be one of the 10 who qualify for an IFBB pro card each year?  & in the serious weight classes, lightheavy & up, make that about 4 pro cards possible.  (USA, North American, Nationals, & if they're over 40, Masters Nationals/North American).  It's the biggest scam around, yet BBs buy into this scam & keep dreaming that they can be the one struck by lightning.  The best way to approach it, IMHO, is to compete for yourself & don't quit your day job. 

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Re: ami ruining bodybuilding
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2006, 04:39:08 PM »
good post
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2006, 06:17:55 PM »
  Dball ----- you know I back you 100% in this, as I did lee , but nothing will happen untill there is a gathereing of the troups , it all comes down to numbers and as it stands at present more were happy to sighn there rights away to xtra income than whom were not prepared, just as in the exact situation you found your self in with limp bizcut !!!

Sure shows like the Olympia can afford to give away more than they do , shit they could give away Millions if they wished , any good accountant could show them how to use it as a right off, and claim it all back !!!!

But the problem is whilst some are still prepared to get crumbs for there efforts only biscuts will be offered !!

Wouldnt it be great if this year all whom qualify for the Olympia said , "you Know what i am not doing it to these demands are agreed" !!!

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Re: ami ruining bodybuilding
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2006, 07:33:03 PM »
Dbal - I need to talk to you.  Email me at Scott@bodybuildersreality.com.

Thanks.

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Re: ami ruining bodybuilding
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2006, 07:54:57 PM »
hrdcor

thanks for replying to the post.  i keep telling theese guys that although they cant form an official union to boycot, they can just decide not to go.  lees decision may be looked at as selfish by some now, but i think in time it will be the first in many similar decisions.  as soon as the bodybuilders realize that they deserve to be treated better, then this will happen, but as you said, as long as some of the top builders are willing to settle for less that the best in terms of the way they are treated and what they are paid, then thats all that will be given to them.  i dont get it, as bodybuilders we dont accept anything less than the best from ourselves in the gym.  we fight and claw for muscle and definitions and striations.  we diet down to insane, life threatening dehydration, ofthen to out severe detriment.  why, just to be treated like high school football players when we (not myself, granted) qualify for the "super bowl" of bodybuilding.  we accept no mediocrity in the gym, why should we while onstage?

to me, its simple math:
10 of the top 20 bodybuilders dont compete in the olympia = live and pay-per-view turn out drops by, say, 75 percent = very little money for ami

also

10 of the top 20 bodybuilders dont compete in the olympia = no large amount of pictures from the olympia to publish in the entire next year of FLEX and Muscle and Fitness (ill admit, i get them both, and they last three issues of each have been half full of pictures from the olympia along with commentary) = dropped sales,  fewer new subscriptions and  low subscription renewals = very little money for ami

in both cases, very little money for ami = a hasty review of the way ami doles out prize money and handles athletes.

what do you think?

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2006, 08:26:38 PM »
Dball---- these guys should have a agent who negotiates all there business for them !!

If I was a agent for say 6 of the top guys at the Olympia I would be saying to AMI, OK heres what we want for my guys to show----
1st, 5k each to compete in your show
2nd,a list of requirements for my athletes , including kitchen facility's , limo services etc etc
3rd, extra for any extra activity's required of my athletes other than competting
4th, royalties from any revenue made from the show
and so on, of course this would be negotiated to a comparable agreement for both parties but it would be the minim start, and my guys could just get on with getting ready knowing there agent has there income and intrests covered !!!!

Same would apply to sponsorship negotiations , if you had enough guys in your stable you could cause a stampede in the way the athletes get handled !!!

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Re: ami ruining bodybuilding
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 04:05:39 AM »
If it wasn't for Weider there would be no professional bodybuilding to begin with. Zero money and zero opportunities to make money for the bodybuilders on their own.
Stop whining.
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2006, 06:29:45 AM »
And if it wasnt for the bodybuilders there would be no Weider.Goes  both ways.

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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2006, 07:25:50 AM »
I'm sure there would've been. They would've been involved in some other kind of business probably, and the bodybuilders would still be in their dungeons lifting weights.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2006, 10:29:44 AM »
If it wasn't for Weider there would be no professional bodybuilding to begin with. Zero money and zero opportunities to make money for the bodybuilders on their own.
Stop whining.


you know, that might have actually been true back in the 60s and 70s, and even to a point in the 80s but that is definately not the case now.  there are way too many stages and way too many venues for bodybuilders to be showcased for weider to think that they have a strangle hold on bodybuilding like they used to have.  did they build the empire? yes.  well, weider and arnold built the empire.  but since then it has grown way beyond their control and they need to realize that.

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2006, 11:16:53 AM »
Yea right, if it wasn't for the Weiders there would be no BB.  Are you kidding.  There were plenty of other guys out there promoting just notlike Weiders.  I will tell you that BB would be better off if someone else ran with it instead of Weiders.  You guys make it sound like he created it.  It was around before the were born.

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2006, 12:09:57 PM »
The Weiders and all Executive Members of the IFBB are a total disgrace. They have raped (literally & figuratively) the sport of Professional Bodybuilding. You would be hard pressed to find any endeavor, where such a small group have obtained so much, at the expense of so many.
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2006, 12:47:41 PM »
Oh, so if it wasn't for Weider everything would've been better? That's interesting to hear. Maybe there was dozens of entrepreneurs lurking in the shadows back in the 70's that couldn't wait to invest in the up and coming "sport" of "professional bodybuilding" but, for some reason, unfairly of course, they got beaten to it by the evil Weider brothers? Hell if it wasn't for Weider, maybe professional bodybuilding would rival americas favorite sports, baseball, basketball and football on primetime TV!
And if it wasn't for Weider, every single cent would be shared equally among everyone involved, in true communist fashion like you guys propose in this very thread. And if there were any money left it would be spent on limos that would take the bodybuilders all over the country, free of charge!
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2006, 05:29:43 PM »
Weider used bodybuilding to sell his products.  The less money he spends on his employees (contracted bodybuilers) the more money he can pocket.  All businesses work like this.  If the bodybuilders want more money they have to be willing to walk away from it and take the risk of losing their job. 

Most bodybuilders are probably very happy to make a good living 50 -100 thousand a year with the possiblity of becoming one of the best and making millions.  What else would they do?  most don't have the education to make more outside of bodybuilding.

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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2006, 08:21:16 PM »
And if it wasnt for the bodybuilders there would be no Weider.Goes  both ways.

leave it to lee to cut right to the chase.  haha

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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2006, 05:52:03 AM »
october is almost here.  whats the over under that ami fucks it up again this year?

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2006, 09:20:48 AM »
october is almost here.  whats the over under that ami fucks it up again this year?

They will for sure :) how have you been d ball havent seen you around for awhile