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Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« on: June 01, 2012, 02:35:26 PM »

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 04:32:06 PM »
Didn't watch the vid, but here my humble opinion.

Supplements = supplements.

Not miracle drugs. Not steroids.

90% on the market are crap, some are good.

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 05:28:44 PM »
Didn't watch the vid, but here my humble opinion.

Supplements = supplements.

Not miracle drugs. Not steroids.

90% on the market are crap, some are good.


Good observations.
May I add to that: some are good when used properly.

And, by properly, I mean not just the supplement itself, but with everything else in check like diet & training.

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 06:27:05 PM »
compared to what?

compared to a healthy diet?

yes

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 06:59:38 PM »
compared to what?

compared to a healthy diet?

yes


What do you currently use?

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 07:32:25 PM »

What do you currently use?

creatine (purple-K because mono gives me the shits)
seal oil
salmon oil
C
D
Multi
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Whey isolate shake (more of a food source than a supplement)

i also add glutamine (amino acid, not a supplement, again, protein) & metamucil to my shakes

my bitch is about anything with a 'proprietary' blend

those are 'supplements' in my mind.... they are all a waste of money

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 08:27:35 PM »
The MOST overrated product EVER:

vitamin pills.

All sorts, multi, C, E, whatever.

The only exception might be Vitamin D, which is falsely labeled as a vitamin but is in fact a hormone.


If you have a good diet, you don't need that crap, on top of that it is still unkown how most of the vitamins are absorbed and how good they get absorbed when taken as a pill and without secondary helpers that naturally occur in the food naturally.


As for minerals, calcium is way overrated, you MIGHT need magnesium when on creatine or steroids, and some zinc maybe, but the rest you can get more than enough through a good diet.


Vitamins are the biggest scam ever.

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 09:20:50 PM »
I take:

Multi-For what I lack in my diet. NO ONE eats perfectly all the time.
B-Complex- I do not ingest caffeine or any type of stims. I have energy all the time, I attribute that to B vitamins.
Fish Oils-Proven over and over to be beneficial to ones health.
Vitamin D- Also a proven supplement.
Coq10- Every cell in your body depends on this nutrient in order to survive. How could this nutrient be unnecessary. ::)
Red Yeast Rice-PROVEN via blood test to reduce LDL's.
Vitamin E-Proven antioxident.
Zinc-Proven mineral.
Saw Palmetto-PROVEN!

Whey Protein Isolate once in a while.

Some supplements are absolutely proven to be beneficial to ones health. I focus on the ones mentioned.
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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 11:58:17 PM »
I take:

Multi-For what I lack in my diet. NO ONE eats perfectly all the time.
B-Complex- I do not ingest caffeine or any type of stims. I have energy all the time, I attribute that to B vitamins.
Fish Oils-Proven over and over to be beneficial to ones health.
Vitamin D- Also a proven supplement.
Coq10- Every cell in your body depends on this nutrient in order to survive. How could this nutrient be unnecessary. ::)
Red Yeast Rice-PROVEN via blood test to reduce LDL's.
Vitamin E-Proven antioxident.
Zinc-Proven mineral.
Saw Palmetto-PROVEN!

Whey Protein Isolate once in a while.

Some supplements are absolutely proven to be beneficial to ones health. I focus on the ones mentioned.


Proven....  ::)
I love "proven mineral" the most.


Dude all these are good for you, NO question.

The question is, are they beneficial in supplement form?? For every study that says yes you find at least 2 that say no.

Vitamin E supplementation is linked with higher stroke and cancer risk, even.


No one eats perfect all the time, but your body will get what he needs even if you don't. Look at all those idiots eating only chips and coca cola all day and smoke and drink on top, do they drop dead because of vitamin defiency? No.

Eat well, lots of veggies and fiberous food and you will be fine.


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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 05:35:46 AM »
Eat well, lots of veggies and fiberous food and you will be fine.

good advice

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 08:13:21 AM »
creatine (purple-K because mono gives me the shits)
seal oil

I've been considering a seal oil supplement after reading some of the the literature you referenced on here a while back.

As for the creatine, I've also experienced gastric upset using mono. One thing that helped me immensely was to drink more water before and after creatine consumption. When using creatine, I usually drink a good 24oz of water pre-workout. I then take my creatine. About 20-30 mins later, I pull into the gym parking lot and consume my carb drink (usually grape juice). I then drink about another 18oz of water during my workout, and then more after the meal following my training.
I've found this to greatly minimize the stomach discomfort - not necessarily the carb source or timing; I only included those details for completeness. 


The MOST overrated product EVER:

vitamin pills.

All sorts, multi, C, E, whatever.

The only exception might be Vitamin D, which is falsely labeled as a vitamin but is in fact a hormone.


If you have a good diet, you don't need that crap, on top of that it is still unkown how most of the vitamins are absorbed and how good they get absorbed when taken as a pill and without secondary helpers that naturally occur in the food naturally.


As for minerals, calcium is way overrated, you MIGHT need magnesium when on creatine or steroids, and some zinc maybe, but the rest you can get more than enough through a good diet.


Vitamins are the biggest scam ever.

Excellent point about the vit-D. Over the last year or so, we've had some good discussions and links regarding vit-D, and yes: recent research has shown it is, in fact, a hormone. Even with sun exposure, our bodies can only synthesize/manufacture so much, and I believe in the benefit of consuming additional D in the form of supplements.

I also agree that the general vitamin-deficiency fear factor is exaggerated. That said, while scurvy is NOT a modern-day epidemic, there are certain vitamins & minerals that can be of benefit when added to the diet. B-12 can support energy levels, B-6 is good for the nervous system, and Zinc levels are oftentimes depleted in hard-training athletes - as are Magnesium and B-6. High protein intake also increases the need for B6, and zinc is particularly important for protein synthesis.

Many studies that examine the effects of certain vitamins and minerals use a supplement form, which indicates that the supplent form of many vitamins does demonstrate at least some absorption. I use a simple gelcap multi, and I aim to use gels as often as I can for the other stuff. I've seen some evidence that suggests that the absorption of liquid forms of vitamins are superior to the cake tablets.
I'm not a believer in mega-dosing vitamins. Toxicity levels aside, it seems there can be other problems associated with the practice.

I'm also skeptical of many studies done on OTC health supplements, plenty of which are paid for by a company or group that has agendas. That's one reason I try to keep an open mind and search for related (preferably non-biased) studies when determining anything about anything.   



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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 11:19:35 AM »
I've been considering a seal oil supplement after reading some of the the literature you referenced on here a while back.


seal oil is fucking amazing

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 04:55:54 PM »
One point only on vit-d.

Even in winter time, only with your face and arms out for 30 minutes in the sun, your body produces 10.000 i.u. of vit-d.


I would only supplement it if you live somewhere up in the northern hemisphere from fall to spring or if you work inside (duh!!) and fully clothed (duh duh!!!!).

I take vit d 2-3 times a week high dose (3-5000 i.u.), mostly I manage to get enough sun exposure here to not having to worry about it.

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2012, 05:07:50 PM »
Vit-D3 can also help in treating and preventing depression.

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2012, 06:53:54 PM »
Vit-D3 can also help in treating and preventing depression.

Yes!

That's a major point for people living in northern countries!

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2012, 06:59:45 PM »
Yes!

That's a major point for people living in northern countries!


And, for people who suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder.
I never get "depressed" during the winter months, but I noticed feeling a bit better mood-wise supplementing with Vit-D this last winter. Not saying it's a "magic cure" for all forms of mood disorders, but if vit-D deficiency is contributing to your depression, adding it may certainly help your symptoms!

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2012, 02:57:22 PM »
Aside from vitamins, my use of supplements such as protein powders is near nothing now compared to the past. I havent noticed any difference at all by not using them.
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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2012, 07:10:54 PM »
what does seal oil do for you ???

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2012, 06:21:08 PM »
what does seal oil do for you ???

best source of EFAs hands down

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 09:42:54 PM »
Yes, just take a good multi vit, and liv52 if you take anything toxic

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2012, 11:29:39 PM »
Didn't watch the vid, but here my humble opinion.

Supplements = supplements.

Not miracle drugs. Not steroids.

90% on the market are crap, some are good.

agreed..END OF THREAD

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2012, 10:28:53 PM »
Supplements are good in some way but mostly supplements are not good enough as we expect from them.Those can increase weight a bit but not miracle just like mentioned above.
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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2012, 03:59:05 PM »
I take all the free samples. :)
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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2012, 07:03:42 PM »
I take all the free samples. :)

As do I, and it's also cool to get them dirt cheap on clearance. I just picked up some MuscleTech Intravol for $15.

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Re: Are Supplements A Waste of Money?
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2012, 10:02:32 PM »
As do I, and it's also cool to get them dirt cheap on clearance. I just picked up some MuscleTech Intravol for $15.

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