Dorian Yates - two pics - very good quality

[Palpatine Q]

Pro judging is the biggest joke there is, and yes ND....i know how it works.

They have a set of standards that lay out in fine detail what they are looking for in a competitor, . it's done on purpose, so the can justify any decision with very little scrutiny. They talk about muscular size, proportion, symmetry , balance, clear separation of the muscle groups and definition, and then completely ignore it and every round is scored the same, and award a guy the top prize who has a missing bicep, big stomach and thighs that look different from each other, and have very little in the way of ANY of those criteria, they were just big and hard....and his calves were TOO big to top it off.

his whole lower body fits NONE of the criteria, doesn't look good in most of the poses, same goes for one of his arms

[NYSTATEOFMIND]

[Immortal_Technique]

Great physique, small chest no?

Someone make it super b/w ultra-grainy so it looks more impressive please.

[Immortal_Technique]

93 was Dorian, the incumbent champ,(he came in as the favorite)...coming in looking great and winning easily

98 was wide open, and if anything Flex was the favorite.., like Hulkster just said Ronnie wasn't even in the first callout...it was anybody's show and he earned the win fair and square.

You can't connect all judges scorecards in both contests as a whole. The environment of the contets were completely different

If anything it shows how political it is, because Flex was being touted as the heir apparent, and true to form the judges were giving him the benefit of the doubt early on... until it became impossible to ignore what Ronnie brought.

 That's the neat trick of BBing judges, as long as the guy holds up his end and comes in  in good shape, they can place him in the top slot..because the very nature of judging is subjective..it has JUDGES.

But if a dude comes in at 90% and then one of his main threats comes into the show looking unreal,ans is vastly superior  Then it's.... "sorry Flex, you fucked up, and now he's the new man..shoulda dieted harder"

This is true. Flex had all the momentum, so why didn't he win? Ronnie wasn't in the first call-out so why didn't he come 4th? I think maybe because after a while it was pretty obvious Flex's hams and glutes were nowhere near what they needed to be, and his disappearing lat spread next to Ronnie just wasn't going to cut it.

IMO Ronnie has a whole extra layer of striations on pretty much every muscle group which Flex doesn't have, which to me makes him clearly more impressive and more conditioned looking, but I don't know how the judges would have judged that at the time, whether they would have cared, with hindsight it certainly seems obvious Ronnie had extra bits on his back noone else had, and Flex was all arms, delts, back detail and slim waist, which ROnnie had too at the time. We now know at some point even Flex's arms and delts became fake, so yes hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[NarcissisticDeity]

except that you can't look at the scorecard alone to try and see how close the 1 and 2 competitors were.

Ronnie was overlooked in the first round. case in point: ronnie was not called in the first callout.

yet still eventually went on to win the contest.

the last time the eventual winner was not called out in the opening call out was in 1984.

think about it.

Ronnie was not overlooked in the first round , Ronnie was NOT overlooked at all just because he wasn't in the first round callout doesn't mean he was overlooked in the entire round . he was obviously not overlooked if he won the contest.

Ronnie was overlooked in the entire round because he wasn't in the first callout of that round , sound logic   he was in the second callout and many subsequent to that , you just think he dominated and should have won the entire round and he didn't.

Ronnie was called out NINE times in the first round how the fuck was he overlooked?   this is you once again not having a clue on how contests are judged and basing everything off of what you like.

Not getting called out in the first callout has absolutely NOTHING to do with being overlooked in an entire round.


   


The Comparisons


Round One: Symmetry

Sonbaty-Wheeler-Levrone
Coleman-Ray-Priest
Flex-Dillett-Ray
Ray-Coleman-Sonbaty
Ray-Coleman-Dillett
Priest-Levrone-Wheeler
Matarazzo-Cormier-Fux
Coleman-Sonbaty-Levrone
Coleman-Wheeler-Priest
Coleman-Sonbaty-Wheeler
Coleman-Ray-Wheeler
Cormier-Taylor-Moya
Sarcev-Taylor-Moya
Sarcev-Charles-Baker
Groulx-Schlierkamp-Haidar
Priest-Ray-Levrone
Dillett-Ray-Levrone
Dillett-Cormier-Fux
Priest-Cormier-Sarcev
Coleman-Ray-Levrone
Ray-Wheeler-Sonbaty
Levrone-Coleman-Dillett

Yeah overlooked  

[NarcissisticDeity]

as you can see, ronnie destroyed the oily flex by a wide margin.

yet the scorecards on paper show it being super close by only a few points.

lesson for the day: whats on stage always trumps bad judging.

stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there

LMFAO stay tuned for bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster where he claims Ronnie was overlooked in the first round by having NINE-FUCKING-CALLOUTS lmmfao

You consistently prove how stupid you are with each post. Ronnie wasn't in the first callout , but the second and eight more times subsequent to that in the first round but somehow Ronnie was ' overlooked ' LMFAO

stay tuned for Hulkster showing how fucking stupid he is in yet another Dorian Yates thread 

[NarcissisticDeity]

does this look like he smoked him? lol

its funny: ND and co frequently point to quotes or to scorecards to prove their argument.

problem is, whats actually onstage completely DISproves their argument..

they point to the judging as proof, yet on stage reality shows how flawed the judging actually was.

they point to flawed evidence as evidence in the first place

Hulkster honestly you're beyond fucking stupid and I'm sorry there is just NO way to be kind about this.

He said Flex smoked him in the first round , Mr-stay-tuned-for-more-bodybuilding-lessons what do you proceed to post pics from the SECOND ROUND 

first round , symmetry round , standing relaxed from the front/back 1/4 turns
second round muscularity round , mandatory poses , front double biceps

POINT PROVEN yet again YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE ON HOW CONTESTS ARE JUDGED dummy

stay tuned for Hulkster to completely embarrass himself trying to look like he knows what he's talking about.

Hulkster you and stupid Neo should learn by now stop trying to come into Yates threads and spout off like you know what you're talking about because I will remind you of just how clueless you are.

[Hulkster]

Not getting called out in the first callout has absolutely NOTHING to do with being overlooked in an entire round.

well, the experts at Flex magazine disagree with you.

in an article and interview with ronnie leading up to the 99 olympia they specifically highlighted this fact and how he was overlooked early on in the 98 contest.

thats where the stat about 1984 came from.

it was a big deal.

you disagree. experts own you.

[Shockwave]

Hulkster honestly you're beyond fucking stupid and I'm sorry there is just NO way to be kind about this.

He said Flex smoked him in the first round , Mr-stay-tuned-for-more-bodybuilding-lessons what do you proceed to post pics from the SECOND ROUND 

first round , symmetry round , standing relaxed from the front/back 1/4 turns
second round muscularity round , mandatory poses , front double biceps

POINT PROVEN yet again YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE ON HOW CONTESTS ARE JUDGED dummy

stay tuned for Hulkster to completely embarrass himself trying to look like he knows what he's talking about.

Hulkster you and stupid Neo should learn by now stop trying to come into Yates threads and spout off like you know what you're talking about because I will remind you of just how clueless you are.

That is pretty fucking funny.
Hulkster posts pics from the 2nd round to try and prove that Flex didnt smoke him in the 1st round.
Epic. Fail.

[Hulkster]

oh he smoked him in ALL rounds.


yet the scorecards show differently.

thats the point.

[Shockwave]

oh he smoked him in ALL rounds.


yet the scorecards show differently.

thats the point.

Smoked him according to how YOU see the pictures.
Obviously the judges disagreed with you.

[BuffD]

Ronnie didn't smoke Flex in 98 at all. I was at the show and was sitting very close and it was very close between Flex and Ronnie. It could have gone either way.  Amazing that Hulkster calls it bad judging when ultimately it was the judging that placed Ronnie first 

[Iceman1981]

Great physique, small chest no?

Someone make it super b/w ultra-grainy so it looks more impressive please.

Not small, but in my opinion Dorian had a bit of a high chest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

well, the experts at Flex magazine disagree with you.

in an article and interview with ronnie leading up to the 99 olympia they specifically highlighted this fact and how he was overlooked early on in the 98 contest.

thats where the stat about 1984 came from.

it was a big deal.

you disagree. experts own you.

STFU already you complete and utter retard.

YOU moron do NOT know what you're talking about. YOU just tried to say

stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there

YOU claimed he was overlooked in the first round , YOU were proven dead wrong

fact Ronnie was NOT overlooked in the first round , fact Ronnie didn't make the first call-out but had 9 call outs in the first round , fact you once again are owned and don't even know what rounds you're talking about.

just STFU you think by responding that it somehow takes the sting away from your stupidity of once again not know what you're talking about and it wont , you realized you're fucked but have to say something

[NarcissisticDeity]

That is pretty fucking funny.
Hulkster posts pics from the 2nd round to try and prove that Flex didnt smoke him in the 1st round.
Epic. Fail.

And he has the balls to type stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there

Stay tuned to watch Hulkster get bitchslapped is more like it.

Ronnie was overlooked in the first round by having NINE fucking call outs , just because he wasn't in the first one means Ronnie was really overlooked  you can't have 9 callouts in the first round and somehow be ' overlooked '

again he has NO clue on how contests are judged at all.

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh he smoked him in ALL rounds.


yet the scorecards show differently.

thats the point.

The point is you're fucking clueless , the point is YOU wouldn't know who won what round because YOU don't even know how contests are judged , YOU can't tell the ' symmetry ' rounds from the ' muscularity ' round. YOU said he was overlooked in the first round despite being called out NINE times

You like to spout off like you're teaching us a lesson , you are but not the lesson you intended the lesson you're teaching us is you're proud and really stupid and that's a bad combination

stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there

Yeah we'll be sure to stay tuned alright 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Smoked him according to how YOU see the pictures.
Obviously the judges disagreed with you.

Yeah in Hulkster's imaginary world where one gets overlooked in a round by being called out 9 times in , in his play world where Ronnie dominated Flex by winning by just 3 points in what is still to this day one of the closest Mr Olympia contests on record , Where the first round is actually the second round and how he will teach all of us a lesson in bodybuilding , Where Ronnie was in better condition in 99 than 98 and everyone says 1999 is the best he's ever looked in his career

Hulkster is done , he's been done for a LONG time and so has his idiot life-mate Neo , he keeps spouting off his bullshit in threads than have nothing to do with Ronnie and then he gets bitchslapped badly and tries post his way out of his nonsense and as usual it's doesn't work.

[Bam-bam]

Pro judging is the biggest joke there is, and yes ND....i know how it works.

They have a set of standards that lay out in fine detail what they are looking for in a competitor, . it's done on purpose, so the can justify any decision with very little scrutiny. They talk about muscular size, proportion, symmetry , balance, clear separation of the muscle groups and definition, and then completely ignore it and every round is scored the same, and award a guy the top prize who has a missing bicep, big stomach and thighs that look different from each other, and have very little in the way of ANY of those criteria, they were just big and hard....and his calves were TOO big to top it off.

his whole lower body fits NONE of the criteria, doesn't look good in most of the poses, same goes for one of his arms

this

and also the unwritten capital rule that states that if you have the best back on stage the olympia is 95% yours already, no matter how much outclassed you get from the front.

[delta9mda]

funny how many people were at these shows (yates and ronnie olympias) and tell it like it was and people disregard this.

[RocketSwitch625]

Great physique, small chest no?

Someone make it super b/w ultra-grainy so it looks more impressive please.

Not small at all moron.

Yates owning the competition in chest thickness:

[Grape Ape]

as you can see, ronnie destroyed the oily flex by a wide margin.

yet the scorecards on paper show it being super close by only a few points.

lesson for the day: whats on stage always trumps bad judging.

stay tuned for more bodybuilding lessons by Hulkster to all the clueless nuthuggers out there

So the lesson is...  The judges, experts in the field of sitting 15 feet away on the day of the contest got it all wrong.   But the guy on the internet, who has never been to a pro show and has no idea at all what these guys look like in person, got it spot on by looking at a handful of pictures?

[Shockwave]

So the lesson is...  The judges, experts in the field of sitting 15 feet away on the day of the contest got it all wrong.   But the guy on the internet, who has never been to a pro show and has no idea at all what these guys look like in person, got it spot on by looking at a handful of pictures?

You forgot to add "Doesnt know the difference between the 1st and 2nd rounds"

[James28]

So the lesson is...  The judges, experts in the field of sitting 15 feet away on the day of the contest got it all wrong.   But the guy on the internet, who has never been to a pro show and has no idea at all what these guys look like in person, got it spot on by looking at a handful of pictures?

Tons of ownage in this post. Tons.  Poor Hulkster.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Tons of ownage in this post. Tons.  Poor Hulkster.

That what he gets for trolling in another Dorian Yates thread

[Bam-bam]

Not small, but in my opinion Dorian had a bit of a high chest.

dorians chest were good, the FLS is a very tough pose on the pecs