Dorian Yates - two pics - very good quality

[OTHstrong]

Whatever.I don't agree and my logic is sound, but i have no interest in fighting to the death over Dorian Yates, i made my point, i don't give enough of a fuck to defend it for 20 pages while you and ND counter with your opinions, which are no more right than anyone elses. 

Cmon Groink we are just fooling about this is fun, me and you are cool , no need to get all stirred up, I really don't care that much either, lol, I know one thing you and I agree on though, this thread will go another 20 pages

[NarcissisticDeity]

Cmon Groink we are just fooling about this is fun, me and you are cool , no need to get all stirred up, I really don't care that much either, lol, I know one thing you and I agree on though, this thread will go another 20 pages

It will go another 20 pages with guys claiming that popular opinion is a fact and Ronnie dominated Flex in 98 by winning by 3 points , and that Ronnie was overlooked by being compared NINE times in the first round which isn't the symmetry round it's the muscularity round and guys crying how the pretty physiques should have won  LMFAO I'm dealing with morons of course it will continue to go on-and-on

[OTHstrong]

It will go another 20 pages with guys claiming that popular opinion is a fact and Ronnie dominated Flex in 98 by winning by 3 points , and that Ronnie was overlooked by being compared NINE times in the first round which isn't the symmetry round it's the muscularity round and guys crying how the pretty physiques should have won  LMFAO I'm dealing with morons of course it will continue to go on-and-on

lmao

[NeoSeminole]

Flex competed with Ronnie 1998 Olympia , what's the difference between Ronnie 1998 Olympia and 2001 ASC? he had no bitch tits at the Arnold , 98 O and 01 ASC are almost identical what's the difference? he was both bone dry and rock hard at 249 for the Olympia and 247 for the Arnold , I'm just DYING to hear your explanation on how he's better in 01 I can't wait for this one

This quote is inaccurate STOP USING IT

As we do this interview, you'’re 10 weeks out. What do you weigh now and what do you aim to weigh on the day of the Olympia?

Right now, I'’m 305 pounds which is about what I was when I started my diet last year. I want to get the hardness and condition I had in 2003, and I will be lighter than at that show, maybe 10 pounds lighter maybe as much as 15 pounds lighter. Being real hard and full at 280 pounds will make me look real big.

We'’ve said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which you won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever! unbeatable. Any thoughts about returning to that weight and look?

I can't return to it. I tried to do it at the 2001 and 2002 Olympias and got in a heap of trouble. [In 2001 Jay Cutler was leading Coleman after the prejudging, and in 2002 Kevin Levrone nearly overcame a fading Coleman.] At that bodyweight, things went wrong with depleting and carbing up, so that physique is now part of history. I can'’t go back to that. I been and gone and done it. You have to move on. Things change what was the perfect car in 2001 is not the perfect car four years later

Put it context , it was Ronnie's best physique ever it was unbeatable compared to this guys he was competing with. They were specifically talking about how HE didn't look better heavier , has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates or his physique being better than every physique ever

That's been amended but you already know that Ronnie 01ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia with no bitch tits

At least you got this one right this time instead of changing it and it doesn't matter it's his opinion and so is this

Shawn Perine Ironage  May 9 2009

Although I prefer the Reeves-Zane-Paris physique, I still contend that there was never a more complete, muscular human being to walk the earth than Dorian on the day Kevin Horton shot him pre-93 O. I was never so shocked by a set of bodybuilding photos as when I went through that article. Even Ronnie at his best, lacked Dorian's hardness and certainly his calves.

Oppsss forgot that part too didn't you?he admits it's subjective and don't forget this from the same article

Taking all criteria into account, including his lasting impact, I believe Schwarzenegger is the all-time greatest

Sorry Ronnie

This has been answered many times , yes Dorian 1993/1995

And Dorian wasn't competing when Ronnie was at his best was he? another quote that had to do with Ronnie's personal best and how he was unbeatable compared to the guys he was competing with HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates

To sum this up NONE of them are judges all of them are entitled to their opinion doesn't make it fact and Ronnie 2001 ASC is Ronnie 1998 Olympia without bitch tits

were you there at the 01 ASC? No, you weren't. Your fanboy opinion means nothing compared to the expert testimony from those who are paid for a living to attend bodybuilding shows and write reviews. Peter McGough, Shawn Perine, Greg Merritt, and Jim Stoppani all said Ronnie's physique at the 01 ASC was the best ever onstage. You can try to twist the quotes around and distort the truth all you want but they explicitly say that version of Ronnie can only be touched by a precontest Dorian.

[Jaime]

Dorian ,Ronnie and  IFBB judges ruined bodybuilding.

Haha, i'm probably the only other person on this board who has said this.  

[RocketSwitch625]

I really don't care about the subject that much anymore either , hence why I walked away from the Truce Thread , it's trolls like Hulkster & Neo who still care hence why they are in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove he really , really was better than Dorian  and I have to admit I love making them two look like idiots , like exposing Neo and his worked quotes and his ignorance and his popular opinion  and Hulkster and his retarded statements like Ronnie was overlooked by being called out NINE times and the symmetry round you hit mandatories LMFAO

There's nothing I like more than rubbing Hulkster's nose in it too.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Haha, i'm probably the only other person on this board who has said this.  

Yeah you're real original  especially since you've joined 2 years ago

[NeoSeminole]

Yeah you're real original  especially since you've joined 2 years ago

lighten up, brah. You take oiled men in thongs way too seriously. Everyone else is joking around except you

[Jaime]

Yeah you're real original  especially since you've joined 2 years ago

Who said anything about being original? Just bonding with a brother in arms and fighting schmoe tyranny. (no homo).

[NarcissisticDeity]

Who said anything about being original? Just bonding with a brother in arms and fighting schmoe tyranny. (no homo).

lmao says the guy crying about how the pretty physiques need to win   

[Palpatine Q]

And what you typed isn't opinion?

Partially.  I said the contests were five years apart, and that Dorian was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 93.

and there was no champion, the contest was wide open...and Flex was the heavy favorite in 98. no opinions, just facts

I did  disagree with you opinion that they are connected in  some way. which is my opinion. What i won't do is fight to the death insisting my opinion is more valid than yours, and go nuclear on anyone who disagrees with me

one thing i do find interesting is that in 99 Ronnie wasn't as sharp, flex had improved, and Ronnie led the show from wire to wire, they are the same two guys, some people even had Flex winning...and Ronnie dominated the show.

Also, where is this "10" that Dorian got in 93? I always thought it was the lowest number that wins, not the highest.

The results for the 99 olympia are 5 5 5 5 5 for ronnie, and 10 10 10 10 10 for Flex...did they change the way they judge shows between the two contests ?

[NarcissisticDeity]

lighten up, brah. You take oiled men in thongs way too seriously. Everyone else is joking around except you

Have you ever seen me call someone a ' dirty Mexican '?  out of the two of us sport you have a lot more emotionally invested in this than me , I walked away from these debates you can't

Where are you Neo? yeah I thought so and Dorian never wore a thing , Ronnie started that trend 

[NarcissisticDeity]

were you there at the 01 ASC? No, you weren't. Your fanboy opinion means nothing compared to the expert testimony from those who are paid for a living to attend bodybuilding shows and write reviews. Peter McGough, Shawn Perine, Greg Merritt, and Jim Stoppani all said Ronnie's physique at the 01 ASC was the best ever onstage. You can try to twist the quotes around and distort the truth all you want but they explicitly say that version of Ronnie can only be touched by a precontest Dorian.

The irony of this statement ! you're the same guy who dismissed these guys when they said Ronnie was never harder & drier than Dorian, OH but now you need them to be right when it suits your point of view and you're the same genius who insisted that if you believe one of their quotes than you're bound to now agree with every single statement they make  


remember this gem?


 First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

Again YOU just got busted playing with quotes not me sport   once again you tried to follow my lead and fell flat on your face

And try this one for size sport , Joe Weider , Shawn Ray and others all said 1998 is the best Ronnie ever looked they are all experts , blah , blah , blah , oh wait they said something that contradicts what the other ' experts ' said how can this be?      Oh no maybe everyone has a differing opinion and that doesn't make it a fact and the ONLY opinions on the matter is judges when you have 12 judges saying Ronnie 2001 ASC would beat any version of Dorian then you'd have something but as usual you don't have anything except your ignorant opinion   the difference between our opinions , is mine is well researched and yours is NOT mines is unbiased and yours is NOT , mines is based on criteria and yours on popular opinion

[NarcissisticDeity]

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

Neo the politician , on the one hand calls Peter McGough an ' expert ' and on the other he's an ' idiot ' wait what? Neo was caught contradicting himself yet again? 

Make up your mind Neo is this guy an ' expert ' or ' idiot ' OH I see when he contradicts your fanboy assessment he's an idiot and when he agrees with you he's an ' expert ' hypocrite much?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Partially.  I said the contests were five years apart, and that Dorian was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 93.

and there was no champion, the contest was wide open...and Flex was the heavy favorite in 98. no opinions, just facts

I did  disagree with you opinion that they are connected in  some way. which is my opinion. What i won't do is fight to the death insisting my opinion is more valid than yours, and go nuclear on anyone who disagrees with me

one thing i do find interesting is that in 99 Ronnie wasn't as sharp, flex had improved, and Ronnie led the show from wire to wire, they are the same two guys, some people even had Flex winning...and Ronnie dominated the show.

Also, where is this "10" that Dorian got in 93? I always thought it was the lowest number that wins, not the highest.

The results for the 99 olympia are 5 5 5 5 5 for ronnie, and 10 10 10 10 10 for Flex...did they change the way they judge shows between the two contests ?

Partially.  I said the contests were five years apart, and that Dorian was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 93.

and there was no champion, the contest was wide open...and Flex was the heavy favorite in 98. no opinions, just facts

Okay you'll get no argument from me , the right guy won in both cases. But because Flex was favored that means what? he got the first callout? another fact is it was a close contest the winner & the loser were separated by just 3 points and when Flex competed against Dorian it wasn't close at all. I don't think it's a stretch to say we could gauge how a career best Olympia Ronnie would fair against a career best Olympia Dorian base how they compared to Flex

I did  disagree with you opinion that they are connected in  some way. which is my opinion. What i won't do is fight to the death insisting my opinion is more valid than yours, and go nuclear on anyone who disagrees with me

I don't go nuclear on anyone who doesn't agree , I go nuclear on trolls who follow me around spouting nonsense about how Ronnie was overlooked in the first round , yet he got compared nine times in the first round , and then continue to post pictures from the muscularity round round and claim he's getting destroyed in the symmetry round. And Neo knowingly omitting parts of quotes to make it appears to say what he wants or saying one minute the guy and an expert than the next he;s an idiot

One thing I have learned about this subject early on is it's subjective and everyone has an opinion and there are no wrong or right ones when comparing two guys from ' different eras ' but if you're gonna spout off like you know what you're talking about you better be prepared or else you're gonna get called out on it and there is a point where it isn't my opinion that is right but the facts are

one thing i do find interesting is that in 99 Ronnie wasn't as sharp, flex had improved, and Ronnie led the show from wire to wire, they are the same two guys, some people even had Flex winning...and Ronnie dominated the show.

I'm not sure if Flex improved from 1998 , Ronnie did dominate him in 1999 despite the fact he thought he won and so did Shawn Ray. But Ronnie was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 99. 

Also, where is this "10" that Dorian got in 93? I always thought it was the lowest number that wins, not the highest.

The results for the 99 olympia are 5 5 5 5 5 for ronnie, and 10 10 10 10 10 for Flex...did they change the way they judge shows between the two contests ?

I think you're confusing me with Onetime he mentioned something about a 10 , Dorian got straight firsts in 1993 which is all 5's in fact he was so dominate and so far ahead of everyone in 1993 they didn't need to include him in the muscularity round , they seen enough ( in the first round Hulkster the ' symmetry ' round )

[bigbobs]

I'm not sure if Flex improved from 1998 , Ronnie did dominate him in 1999 despite the fact he thought he won and so did Shawn Ray. But Ronnie was the heavy favorite, and the incumbent Champ in 99. 

Exactly why Dorian won in 97.

Also the logic of your aboe statement contradicts your earlier claim that Ronnie barely winning 98 had nothing to do with him not being the favourite going into the show.

[Shockwave]

Exactly why Dorian won in 97.

Also the logic of your aboe statement contradicts your earlier claim that Ronnie barely winning 98 had nothing to do with him not being the favourite going into the show.

Nasser lost because he had no back.
HTH.
Great front + no back < Decent front + outstanding back

[che]

The best ever  opened the door for the likes of Branch Warren ,Ronnie Coleman ..............etc.

[Bam-bam]

one of my fav dorian pics

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly why Dorian won in 97.

Also the logic of your aboe statement contradicts your earlier claim that Ronnie barely winning 98 had nothing to do with him not being the favourite going into the show.

You missed my point

[NeoSeminole]

Have you ever seen me call someone a ' dirty Mexican '? out of the two of us sport you have a lot more emotionally invested in this than me , I walked away from these debates you can't

Where are you Neo? yeah I thought so and Dorian never wore a thing , Ronnie started that trend

poor ND, still bringing up the past b/c he can't face the present

[NeoSeminole]

The irony of this statement ! you're the same guy who dismissed these guys when they said Ronnie was never harder & drier than Dorian, OH but now you need them to be right when it suits your point of view and you're the same genius who insisted that if you believe one of their quotes than you're bound to now agree with every single statement they make

remember this gem?

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

Again YOU just got busted playing with quotes not me sport once again you tried to follow my lead and fell flat on your face

And try this one for size sport , Joe Weider , Shawn Ray and others all said 1998 is the best Ronnie ever looked they are all experts , blah , blah , blah , oh wait they said something that contradicts what the other ' experts ' said how can this be? Oh no maybe everyone has a differing opinion and that doesn't make it a fact and the ONLY opinions on the matter is judges when you have 12 judges saying Ronnie 2001 ASC would beat any version of Dorian then you'd have something but as usual you don't have anything except your ignorant opinion the difference between our opinions , is mine is well researched and yours is NOT mines is unbiased and yours is NOT , mines is based on criteria and yours on popular opinion

lol, learn to read. I never disagreed with Peter McGough. I disagreed with your interpretation of his quote. He said Ronnie was "never harder or drier." If you go back and re-read the Truce thread, you will see I never disputed this. What I said is that 01 ASC Ronnie carried less body fat and had more fullness than Dorian. Ronnie may have been equally, if not more, conditioned than Dorian but he was never less conditioned according to your interpretation of McGough's quote. Anything else you would like me to correct you on?

[PJim]

lol, learn to read. I never disagreed with Peter McGough. I disagreed with your interpretation of his quote. He said Ronnie was "never harder or drier." If you go back and re-read the Truce thread, you will see I never disputed this. What I said is that 01 ASC Ronnie carried less body fat and had more fullness than Dorian. Ronnie may have been equally, if not more, conditioned than Dorian but he was never less conditioned according to your interpretation of McGough's quote. Anything else you would like me to correct you on?

Dorian didn't have any fat on him...neither did Ronnie. It's down to skin type and water levels at that level...

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian didn't have any fat on him...neither did Ronnie. It's down to skin type and water levels at that level..

Dorian had very thin skin which gave him that vacuum-sealed look. He admitted this in an interview. It's also evident in pics of him when he was younger. His back always had separations and striations even when he started lifting weights

[SomeKindofMonster]

Mike Matarazzo's take on Ronnie and Dorian after the 1998
Olympia.
M.M. competed in 91, 93, 96-97 Mr. O's.
I think this creature from another planet, Coleman, is going to
be number one for awhile. He would have beat Dorian Yates in the shape he was in.
Ronnie has every single attribute to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.
I'm a very hard guy to impress. Ronnie has muscle bellies and striations jumping out
all over the place!
Not to degrade Flex, but Ronnie is just leaps and bounds above
everybody in the sport right now.
(My 2 cents)
Bodybuilding is very subjective but the 1993 prejudging version
of Dorian is the best version. His legs had thinned out by the night show
but he had everything going on at PJ including two pretty good arms.
Ronnie is a better bodybuilder but Dorian presented himself much better
which is a big part of judging.