Gallup: Americans See Obama as Solid Favorite to Win Election

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we know you do, we also know that you will do just about anything including voting accordingly to make this happen.

you tole me to address the point of the thread.  I do.

your response is an insult about me.  So you are conceding the thread point?  You accept public belief = public voting, as history shows?

if not, why?

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you tole me to address the point of the thread.  I do.

your response is an insult about me.  So you are conceding the thread point?  You accept public belief = public voting, as history shows?

if not, why?

Gallup also said the general mood expects better economy despite the fact that we are heading into a recession.   


Just because someone "feels" something does not make it a fact.   I know for touchy feely libs that is hard to grasp. 

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Gallup also said the general mood expects better economy despite the fact that we are heading into a recession.   
Just because someone "feels" something does not make it a fact.   I know for touchy feely libs that is hard to grasp. 

see, the top repub ROmney says the economy is recovering.  Obama says the economy is recovering.

At this point, it's only a CT that the economy isn't getting better.  Leaders of both parties agree on something.

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nonsense.   175% of Americans know he is a commie eskimo traitor and will lose in a landslide.

Commie eskimo!!!!!!!!!!

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Because I'm asking you to justify why public voting will completely go against public opinion for the first time in 20 years?

I'm asking you to tell me why reality will defy precedent, and all you can do is call me names.

I dont even argue anymore, because everyone here sees it - when you have a good counter-point to make, you deliver it.  When you are fucking owned up the ass on an arguemtn, you insult me instead of refuting the point.

Thats exactly. Reason? Logic?....Fuck all that!!!!! if you dont go with everything negative about Obama, with no regards to its validity or truthfullness, then youre an Obama eskimo commie thug.

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Thats exactly. Reason? Logic?....Fuck all that!!!!! if you dont go with everything negative about Obama, with no regards to its validity or truthfullness, then youre an Obama eskimo commie thug.

Because the only thing that matters is likely voter polling.  Right now Mittens is tied or up  by a few and the undecided always go for the challenger.   

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Because the only thing that matters is likely voter polling.  Right now Mittens is tied or up  by a few and the undecided always go for the challenger.   

do you have any evidence that the poll chose likely voters in 08, 04, 00 and 96 - and DID NOT do it now?

Or just emotion on your side here?

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do you have any evidence that the poll chose likely voters in 08, 04, 00 and 96 - and DID NOT do it now?

Or just emotion on your side here?

I read RCP daily and look at the polling douche.   most are doing adults and resigstered voters, not likely voters. 

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I read RCP daily and look at the polling douche.   most are doing adults and resigstered voters, not likely voters. 

Please address the GALLUP poll, upon which this thread is based.

Gallup used the same polling standards for 2012, 08, 04, 00 and 96.

They discovered in the last 4 elections, all polling standards equal, the guy leading public belief of winning actually won.

Your use of RCP to try to discredit Gallup makes no fcking sense at all.  none.  Unless you apply it to 08, 04, 00, 96... you're using oranges to tell me apples don't taste as good as they used to.

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Please address the GALLUP poll, upon which this thread is based.

Gallup used the same polling standards for 2012, 08, 04, 00 and 96.

They discovered in the last 4 elections, all polling standards equal, the guy leading public belief of winning actually won.

Your use of RCP to try to discredit Gallup makes no fcking sense at all.  none.  Unless you apply it to 08, 04, 00, 96... you're using oranges to tell me apples don't taste as good as they used to.

No - i trust the general polling of Ras since he is the most accurate the last few cycles. 

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you tole me to address the point of the thread.  I do.

your response is an insult about me.  So you are conceding the thread point?  You accept public belief = public voting, as history shows?

if not, why?

that was no insult sir simply the truth of the matter, only liberals find facts offensive...

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No - i trust the general polling of Ras since he is the most accurate the last few cycles. 

what was different in the 2012 gallup poll - from the gallup 08, 04, 00, and 96 polling practices?

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what was different in the 2012 gallup poll - from the gallup 08, 04, 00, and 96 polling practices?

  

I posted the rasmussen figues which aere usually the best, but keep grasping. 

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that was no insult sir simply the truth of the matter, only liberals find facts offensive...

Shittin me right

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I posted the rasmussen figues which aere usually the best, but keep grasping. 

i give up.  i love to argue but you're not addressing what i'm saying.  rass 2012 number have nothing to do with the last 5 gallup cycle polls on voter perception.

youre desperate now.

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i give up.  i love to argue but you're not addressing what i'm saying.  rass 2012 number have nothing to do with the last 5 gallup cycle polls on voter perception.

youre desperate now.

Lets look at the last 4 elections

2008 was clear as the economy was a disaster. 

2004 was clear as the economy was good

2000 - definately toss up

1996 - not even close - dole was horrible. 

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Lets look at the last 4 elections

2008 was clear as the economy was a disaster. 

2004 was clear as the economy was good

2000 - definately toss up

1996 - not even close - dole was horrible. 

and the polling reflected these pieces of info - every time.

gallup was accuate with each of these.

people saw dole was horrible and gave clinton the edge.
people knew bush would win - and he did in 2000.
people believed bush would win in 2004, and he did.
people believed obama would win in 2008, and he did.

And as this poll shows, the majority of americans (by 20 points or so) believe obama will win.  It doesn't mean 20% more people support him.  It means they believe he'll win.

Look at it like sports - if you asked me who I think will win the super bowl this season, I'll HOPE it is my tampa bay bucs.
But if I'm asked "who do I BELIEve will win" - it'll be the pats or the packers.

I dislike these teams.  I dont' support them.  But I am a realist that my choice probably doesn't have the horsepower to win in the playoffs.

Bottom line - Many people prefer romney to obama but don't believe romney will win.  Why is that so hard to accept, 33?

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and the polling reflected these pieces of info - every time.

gallup was accuate with each of these.

people saw dole was horrible and gave clinton the edge.
people knew bush would win - and he did in 2000.
people believed bush would win in 2004, and he did.
people believed obama would win in 2008, and he did.

And as this poll shows, the majority of americans (by 20 points or so) believe obama will win.  It doesn't mean 20% more people support him.  It means they believe he'll win.

Look at it like sports - if you asked me who I think will win the super bowl this season, I'll HOPE it is my tampa bay bucs.
But if I'm asked "who do I BELIEve will win" - it'll be the pats or the packers.

I dislike these teams.  I dont' support them.  But I am a realist that my choice probably doesn't have the horsepower to win in the playoffs.

Bottom line - Many people prefer romney to obama but don't believe romney will win.  Why is that so hard to accept, 33?

Don't know - I'll stick with Ras who has been the most accurate over the last 8 years by far. 

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Don't know - I'll stick with Ras who has been the most accurate over the last 8 years by far. 

Do you think it's possible that 10% of americans prefer romney to obama - But believe obama will somehow manage to win based upon power of incumbency, media support, outright cheating, or other reasons?

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Do you think it's possible that 10% of americans prefer romney to obama - But believe obama will somehow manage to win based upon power of incumbency, media support, outright cheating, or other reasons?

Could be.   But as this rolling circus implodes over the next few months Romney will move ahead convincingly. 

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Rasmussen disagrees:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
    
Monday, June 11, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting 47% of the vote, while President Obama earns 44%. Five percent (5%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). See tracking history.

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During Election 2008, Rasmussen Reports projected that Barack Obama would defeat John McCain by a 52% to 46% margin. Obama was 53% to 46%. In 2004, Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project the vote totals for both candidates within half a percentage point.