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Hey, Einstein. The word is "YOU'RE". Even I know that, and I'm black. What's your excuse, genius?

And, where is that bungee cord again?
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You`re is a contraction that means You are.

Saying You are Own Mire would make no sense.

I don`t speak ebonics, but its obvious that you do.

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Love the fake intellectualism here....
Anyone who has ever studied this stuff (as opposed to making shit up to post on Internet boards) has always concluded that poor people have more kids to increase the odds that one of their kids can uplift the family out of poverty...but hey, youre a getbig scholar, sure you know better

I'm an engineer so I actually do significant work. No youre right I don't know firsthand mr sociologist. I had one sibling and grew up in a hard working middle class family.

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You`re is a contraction that means You are.

Saying You are Own Mire would make no sense.

I don`t speak ebonics, but its obvious that you do.

Try looking at the beginning of the sentence "Your welcome", which you typed, O Rhodes Scholar.


Your welcome.  I leave it to you and the others to wallow in your own mire of an over-crowded world full of fecal matter and germs with inflation run amok.  All because you want Tyrone to slam dunk a basketball or if you are white, John to become the best wrestler in all of the trailer park.

Don't you have some sleeping pills to ingest? The planet is getting too crowded and your spot is on deck.

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You`re is a contraction that means You are.

Saying You are Own Mire would make no sense.

I don`t speak ebonics, but its obvious that you do.

Hey fake Einstein, he quoted your original comment. Cut the bullshit act, you can't fake your way to intellectualism

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I'm an engineer so I actually do significant work. No youre right I don't know firsthand mr sociologist. I had one sibling and grew up in a hard working middle class family.

Don't engineers know better tan to pull things out of their assess  ???

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If we had less people, we could share more as a society and own better Privately via Capitalism.  The problem is overpopulation dilutes everything causing a mediocre society where everyone thinks they are special and they want a hand out which causes unequal distribution of resources from the Haves to the Have-Nevers.

What you are advocating is a China type society where one must be dependent upon either A. the Government or B. Someone else and their hard earned wealth.  There simply is no other way to sustain the population when there is not enough resources to compensate for such numbers.  You also are advocating inflation indirectly as Population increase is the engine driving inflation.

I say move to China.  It seems to suit you just fine.

I don't have an issue with the population. You do. So, either down that peanut-butter-and-cyanide sandwich or look for the nearest cliff.


If you're so worried about resources, then cough up Daddy's trust fund and go earn a living yourself. Or, maybe you're afraid that your master's degree in upside-down-Japanese-chicken-clucking won't put a roof over your head in the real world.

"....everyone thinks they are special". That's a laugh, coming from the likes of you. What makes you worthy of being on this earth, again?

You want more room on this planet? I think the words of a certain diddy by Ludacris says it all.

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I don't have an issue with the population. You do. So, either down that peanut-butter-and-cyanide sandwich or look for the nearest cliff.


If you're so worried about resources, then cough up Daddy's trust fund and go earn a living yourself. Or, maybe you're afraid that your master's degree in upside-down-Japanese-chicken-clucking won't put a roof over your head in the real world.

"....everyone thinks they are special". That's a laugh, coming from the likes of you. What makes you worthy of being on this earth, again?

You want more room on this planet? I think the words of a certain diddy by Ludacris says it all.
the  two "rappers" you speak of are not going to help our arguement brosepjenkinson jamalifalcons
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I don't have an issue with the population. You do. So, either down that peanut-butter-and-cyanide sandwich or look for the nearest cliff.


If you're so worried about resources, then cough up Daddy's trust fund and go earn a living yourself. Or, maybe you're afraid that your master's degree in upside-down-Japanese-chicken-clucking won't put a roof over your head in the real world.

"....everyone thinks they are special". That's a laugh, coming from the likes of you. What makes you worthy of being on this earth, again?

You want more room on this planet? I think the words of a certain diddy by Ludacris says it all.


Do you think overpopulation (a demonstrated fact that, if nothing else, overburdens the planet) isn't a problem?

And why should anyone who advocates for a future-looking policy of population control need to kill himself? The guy has already avoided hypocrisy by (and I'm taking him at his word here, as I've no reason not to) not having children, and is thus not contributing to the problem under discussion.

Your insistence is as silly as demanding that people who want to alleviate poverty constantly live in the ghetto and give all their money away, or that anyone who advocates going to war must literally be a soldier and fight on the ground. It doesn't make sense.


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the  two "rappers" you speak of are not going to help our arguement brosepjenkinson jamalifalcons

The point is that, outside of comic relief for this forum, Adonis has added no value or substance to this planet (not even offspring).

So, if we're keeping score as to who stays and who goes and since he's so worried about this planet being overcrowded, he shouldn't mind removing himself from the equation and putting Daddy's trust fund, to better use.

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Do you think overpopulation (a demonstrated fact that, if nothing else, overburdens the planet) isn't a problem?

It's not a problem. Much of the world's woes have existed with a smaller population that what we have now.


And why should anyone who advocates for a future-looking policy of population control need to kill himself? The guy has already avoided hypocrisy by (and I'm taking him at his word here, as I've no reason not to) not having children, and is thus not contributing to the problem under discussion.

Your insistence is as silly as demanding that people who want to alleviate poverty constantly live in the ghetto and give all their money away, or that anyone who advocates going to war must literally be a soldier and fight on the ground. It doesn't make sense.



Children are the unknown factor. We don't know their potential for greatness. It's yet to be unlocked.

Adonis, on the other hand, is little more than useless organic matter who would likely reside in the very squalor as those for whom he has disdain in other parts of the world, but for the fortune of having rich parents. If he goes away, that's one step closer to solving this so-called problem.

Therein lies my point. It's all fine and dandy to cry about curbing future generations, until someone gets the bright idea that it's time to start cutting down the CURRENT population. That's when it gets messy, LITERALLY!!

Of course, Adonis has yet to answer why he deserves to be on this Earth, yet no one else down the road does.

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The point is that, outside of comic relief for this forum, Adonis has added no value or substance to this planet (not even offspring).

So, if we're keeping score as to who stays and who goes and since he's so worried about this planet being overcrowded, he shouldn't mind removing himself from the equation and putting Daddy's trust fund, to better use.

Ehh, everyone adds some value or substance to the planet, i beleive he manufactures furnature or fine leathers, thats better than being a drug dealer.

alot of the values or substances people are bringing to this planet are not enough, when you fall short of your expectations you get sick then die. Sickness is a time to wake up, and remember life is a gift, a time to appreciate the healthy times, then you ask do i still want to live and try a new way to take better care of myself so i can contribute to society?
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You can't "create" jobs out of the blue. Violates fundamental theories of economics - comparative advantage.

Chances are, governments create government jobs. This is not the ideal way to exploit america's comparative advantage.

So is it then to artifically deflate the US currency, by creating cataclismic levels of debt that could only be repaid by printing currency, which will spike inflation, further eroding US greenback value? Then, with deflated currency and a populace on its knees, America will beg for the shit low paying factory jobs it has no business doing.

And wealthy international nations will invest L/L/C into America with a devalued currency. Foreign direct investment is undeniable. Then, America can enjoy putting together cars and widgets. Instead of using all those powerful brains and intelligent people to truly make something great. America deserves better. But it will get far worse.

How sad...

Too bad politics get in the way of sound economic behavior.

it will not get that bad as whole. the poor are killing themselves off like flies with drugs and alcohol and doing time in jail and prisons because they never shaped up, basically there welfare check goes to the next "potential" loser instead
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Ehh, everyone adds some value or substance to the planet, i beleive he manufactures furnature or fine leathers, thats better than being a drug dealer.

alot of the values or substances people are bringing to this planet are not enough, when you fall short of your expectations you get sick then die. Sickness is a time to wake up, and remember life is a gift, a time to appreciate the healthy times, then you ask do i still want to live and try a new way to take better care of myself so i can contribute to society?

What happens when manufacturing furniture or fine leather is no longer valuable? At one time, 8-track tapes were valuable.

Again, who's keeping score here? Who's determining what/who is or isn't valuable?

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It's not a problem. Much of the world's woes have existed with a smaller population that what we have now.


Yes, many problems existed before we had such a massive population and will continue to exist even if we downsize. That doesn't at all mean there aren't unique problems that arise specifically because of the size of the population; we can have both the same old problems plus new ones caused by having too many people on a planet with finite resources. Indeed, that is what most of the experts say is happening right now. It's common sense that things will be much worse on this planet if we reach a population of, say, 100 billion people, over what we've got today. The planet can't hold an unlimited number of people; how can there be any controversy of such an obvious fact?


Children are the unknown factor. We don't know their potential for greatness. It's yet to be unlocked.


Cue "Every Sperm is Sacred" playing in the background for this quote.  ;D

Every child born has its attendant costs and benefits to society. The main point is that children born into a world that is overpopulated are guaranteed to put unsustainable costs on the species in the long run, whatever potential benefit they bring. This isn't open to interpretation; if you are trapped on an island with its agriculture maxed out such that it can produce enough food to support 100 people and you've already got a little over 100 people there, arguing that another baby might become the next Mozart doesn't cut muster: there isn't enough fucking food for the people that already exist!


Therein lies my point. It's all fine and dandy to cry about curbing future generations, until someone gets the bright idea that it's time to start cutting down the CURRENT population. That's when it gets messy, LITERALLY!!


This is a logical fallacy called the "slippery slope." You are arguing that if population control measures were put in place, it would be a small step to actively eliminating already living human beings in order to control population that much more effectively. As with all other slippery slopes, there isn't any actual connection between the two ideas. Why would incentivizing people to not have so many kids suddenly make people think it's a good idea to start killing potential parents? There is no reason at all to suppose that the one would lead to the other. Is handing out condoms to poor people a small step from bulldozing their neighborhoods and killing them all?

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Yes, many problems existed before we had such a massive population and will continue to exist even if we downsize. That doesn't at all mean there aren't unique problems that arise specifically because of the size of the population; we can have both the same old problems plus new ones caused by having too many people on a planet with finite resources. Indeed, that is what most of the experts say is happening right now. It's common sense that things will be much worse on this planet if we reach a population of, say, 100 billion people, over what we've got today. The planet can't hold an unlimited number of people; how can there be any controversy of such an obvious fact?

Cue "Every Sperm is Sacred" playing in the background for this quote.  ;D

Every child born has its attendant costs and benefits to society. The main point is that children born into a world that is overpopulated are guaranteed to put unsustainable costs on the species in the long run, whatever potential benefit they bring. This isn't open to interpretation; if you are trapped on an island with its agriculture maxed out such that it can produce enough food to support 100 people and you've already got a little over 100 people there, arguing that another baby might become the next Mozart doesn't cut muster: there isn't enough fucking food for the people that already exist!

This is a logical fallacy called the "slippery slope." You are arguing that if population control measures were put in place, it would be a small step to actively eliminating already living human beings in order to control population that much more effectively. As with all other slippery slopes, there isn't any actual connection between the two ideas. Why would incentivizing people to not have so many kids suddenly make people think it's a good idea to start killing potential parents? There is no reason at all to suppose that the one would lead to the other. Is handing out condoms to poor people a small step from bulldozing their neighborhoods and killing them all?

Yet, every time someone condones something like this, claiming the slippery slope will never happen, it usually does.

People never thought that government would start trying to ban what you eat. Look at New York City now. They're about to criminalize people for having a SODA, larger than 16 oz. And, they're aiming for popcorn and certain milk products next.

Then, there's the North Carolina school that took a kid's home lunch and replaced with chicken nuggets (charging the parent of that child for it, to boot).

As for your condom question, now we have at least three cases of people, trying to kill their unborn babies, because they're girls.

That's the same foolishness they do in China, with politicians here (Democrat and Republican) SCREAMING that this is not only sexist but a human rights violation. There have even been cases where babies have been killed after they're born. Yet, the mother gets off, simply because the cord wasn't cut. And, of course, you have the botched abortion deals, where the babies are completely out of the womb but they get whacked anyway.

Of course, people back in the day said abortion would NEVER lead to infanticide, selective abortions, partial-birth abortions, or anything like that. This was simply a slippery slope argument, which was false. Yet, here we are and it's happening RIGHT NOW.

Your overpopulation spiel is inaccurate for one simple reason: We have PLENTY OF RESOURCES. The issue is that those resources are mismanaged and wasted. Look at the countries where too many people are starving, and you'll find that virtually every one of them has corrupt government and/or socialist policies that trap people in squalor. That's why many people in such countries risk life and limb to come here.




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I don't have an issue with the population. You do. So, either down that peanut-butter-and-cyanide sandwich or look for the nearest cliff.


If you're so worried about resources, then cough up Daddy's trust fund and go earn a living yourself. Or, maybe you're afraid that your master's degree in upside-down-Japanese-chicken-clucking won't put a roof over your head in the real world.

"....everyone thinks they are special". That's a laugh, coming from the likes of you. What makes you worthy of being on this earth, again?

You want more room on this planet? I think the words of a certain diddy by Ludacris says it all.
holy shit what an ownage.

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I don't know what you fuckers are worried about. the NWO has plans to reduce the population to 1/2 billion.  So dont worry you little heads, the NWO has heard your concerns and is on the task as we speak!
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Well basically smartest/richest/most contributing humans will survive while poorer, most uneducated/ignorant/violent and useless ones will be "selected".

Same old process.

Without a doubt true anus who has no useful skill and "studies" while his "girlfriend" works , who thinks kids "are disgusting" -cause he couldnt provide shit for an eventual offspring as he s a self obsessed immature little pos- won't last long when momy and dady's money will run dry. It won't take long either for the girl to figure what kind of cowardly wanker he is and go for a real man who dont lure her into thinking "kids are disgusting".

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Bill Gates has come up with a Cock Zapper that sterilizes men for 6 months.  Eugenics at it's finest!

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Yet, every time someone condones something like this, claiming the slippery slope will never happen, it usually does.

People never thought that government would start trying to ban what you eat. Look at New York City now. They're about to criminalize people for having a SODA, larger than 16 oz. And, they're aiming for popcorn and certain milk products next.

Then, there's the North Carolina school that took a kid's home lunch and replaced with chicken nuggets (charging the parent of that child for it, to boot).

As for your condom question, now we have at least three cases of people, trying to kill their unborn babies, because they're girls.

That's the same foolishness they do in China, with politicians here (Democrat and Republican) SCREAMING that this is not only sexist but a human rights violation. There have even been cases where babies have been killed after they're born. Yet, the mother gets off, simply because the cord wasn't cut. And, of course, you have the botched abortion deals, where the babies are completely out of the womb but they get whacked anyway.

Of course, people back in the day said abortion would NEVER lead to infanticide, selective abortions, partial-birth abortions, or anything like that. This was simply a slippery slope argument, which was false. Yet, here we are and it's happening RIGHT NOW.

Your overpopulation spiel is inaccurate for one simple reason: We have PLENTY OF RESOURCES. The issue is that those resources are mismanaged and wasted. Look at the countries where too many people are starving, and you'll find that virtually every one of them has corrupt government and/or socialist policies that trap people in squalor. That's why many people in such countries risk life and limb to come here.


As much as I enjoy arguing, I am initiating a tactical withdrawal here because I honestly do not know whether the planet is overpopulated at this point and don't feel like doing the relevant research. Plus, what TA is arguing for is incredibly unrealistic; if he thinks such a policy is viable then he is living in an alternate universe very different from ours (or he is simply an idiot, a distinct possibility).

In any case, the primary point of my post was to point out some logical aspects of what you said, and these are still relevant.

1. You said that "much of the world's woes" existed before we had the population we currently have, as if this fact disputes the notion that a burgeoning population is a problem. In fact, the two ideas are mutually compatible: we can have the same old problems that aren't related to population size, plus new ones that are. So, your statement doesn't refute anything.

2. I think you're confused about the nature of slippery slopes. A fallacious slippery slope argument looks like this: "If X is allowed, then inevitably Y will occur," where Y is an extreme on the far end of a continuum with X, and where there isn't an accompanying demonstration plausibly showing X will lead to Y. So, your examples regarding food, while interesting, aren't relevant (there is no antecedent "If X is allowed" for these occurrences).

3. The above definition makes clear why your implying that once we start curbing future populations we'll begin killing people of this population for the sake of population control is a fallacy: you claim that an extreme at the far end of the spectrum from 'controlling future population levels' will occur, without giving a single reason to suppose that it would.

4. Your example of abortion isn't relevant either. Isolated incidents of infanticide do not constitute a successful slippery slope argument, because 1) the relevant slippery slope arguments in this case try to say that abortion will lead to the widespread killing of actual infants, not that it will lead to isolated incidents (otherwise they are trivially true), and 2) just because infanticide has occurred doesn't mean it was caused by abortion's being made legal. Infanticide wasn't invented with abortion's becoming legal and therefore the argument is only successful if there was compelling evidence at the time the argument was made (when abortion was about to be made legal) that widespread infanticide would occur. In other words, if you say "If X, then Y" and X happens, then Y happens, that doesn't mean there is any causal connection between them; I can say that if Romney gets elected, there will be an economic recession sometime in the next century, and both may come true, but that doesn't mean that I was right (as the example makes clear there is no connexion whatsoever between my claims).

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This is a rather low conservative estimate. One wonders where this money is going to come from considering over 90 percent have zero savings.  Children are bankrupting this country and more and more are on the way.




http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/14/news/economy/cost-raising-child/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

Raising a child just got $8,000 more expensive
By Annalyn Censky @CNNMoney June 14, 2012: 2:29 PM ET

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 I leave it to you and the others to wallow in your own mire of an over-crowded world full of fecal matter and germs with inflation run amok.  All because you want Tyrone to slam dunk a basketball or if you are white, John to become the best wrestler in all of the trailer park.

Be fair, white people now give their children names that are just as retarded as black people.

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to paint a door both sides takes about 12-15 minites to do a decent job with one coat


Buy an airless.  I like Titan.  Graco also has a battery powered airless which will suit small jobs.

Bend a roughly 10" long piece of metal to about 60 degrees, bend the ends at 90 degrees and pre-drill to suit hinge screw locations.  Screw each end to an unhung door's top hinge recess and they will mutually support.  Spray both sides without waiting for drying.

Each door 12-15 seconds.  Through technology and innovation you can now pay 8 cents per door.

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Bill Gates has come up with a Cock Zapper that sterilizes men for 6 months.  Eugenics at it's finest!



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"In recent years, astonishing technological developments have pushed the frontiers of humanity toward far-reaching morphological transformation that promises in the very near future to redefine what it means to be human.
An international, intellectual, and fast-growing cultural movement known as transhumanism intends the use of genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, and nanotechnology (Grin technologies) as tools that will radically redesign our minds, our memories, our physiology, our offspring, and even perhaps—as Joel Garreau in his best-selling book, Radical Evolution, claims—our very souls.
 The technological, cultural, and metaphysical shift now underway unapologetically forecasts a future dominated by this new species of unrecognizably superior humans, and applications under study now to make this dream a reality are being funded by thousands of government and private research facilities around the world.
 As the reader will learn, this includes, among other things, rewriting human dna and combining humans with beasts, a fact that some university studies and transhumanists believe will not only alter our bodies and souls but ultimately could open a door to contact with unseen intelligence."