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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #175 on: June 18, 2012, 10:38:53 AM »
and when was the patriot act signed?

What part of Yes did you not read dipshit? 

Unlike the lock step, follow over the cliff democrats, many of us did try to reign Jorge Arbusto in. 

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #176 on: June 18, 2012, 11:10:47 AM »
What part of Yes did you not read dipshit? 

Unlike the lock step, follow over the cliff democrats, many of us did try to reign Jorge Arbusto in. 

Yeah.. obviously you didnt read... the question is..... When was the patriot act signed?

You are the non reading dipshit

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #177 on: June 18, 2012, 11:12:38 AM »
Yeah.. obviously you didnt read... the question is..... When was the patriot act signed?

You are the non reading dipshit



Having hundreds of thousands of wetbacks running around the streets impacts me far more than the patriot act.   

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #178 on: June 18, 2012, 11:42:20 AM »


Having hundreds of thousands of wetbacks running around the streets impacts me far more than the patriot act.   

What are you talking about.,.i asked a simple question.

You were against the patriot act, we got that,

when exactly was the patriot act signed?

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #179 on: June 18, 2012, 11:43:54 AM »
What are you talking about.,.i asked a simple question.

You were against the patriot act, we got that,

when exactly was the patriot act signed?

right after 9/11 w the support of both parties overwhelmingly. 

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #180 on: June 18, 2012, 11:55:28 AM »
right after 9/11 w the support of both parties overwhelmingly. 

but you didnt support it tho.. and you went to the lengths of calling someone about it to complain (congressman or senator or some shit)


but in the same breath you say that bush's presidency was awesome...

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #181 on: June 18, 2012, 11:56:40 AM »
but you didnt support it tho.. and you went to the lengths of calling someone about it to complain (congressman or senator or some shit)


but in the same breath you say that bush's presidency was awesome...



I said most of his first term was ok and the second was a disaster.  how you translate that into awesome I don't know. 

   

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #182 on: June 18, 2012, 12:07:54 PM »
Mexican President Thanks Obama for Immigration Changes
2:02 PM, Jun 18, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mexican-president-thanks-obama-immigration-changes_647438.html



At a bilateral meeting in Los Cabos, Mexican president Felipe Calderón thanked President Obama for his Friday announcement not to prosecute young illegal immigrants:
 

I would like to thank personally, and on behalf of the Mexican nation, President Barack Obama for his valuable decision by executive order to give an opportunity for young people who were not born in the United States but who arrived in that great nation before they were 16 years of age, or who are studying in university, or who have served in the United States armed forces, for them not to be deported for at least a period of two years, so this is a clear and certain situation for them.
 


We believe that this is very just.  It's a humanitarian action.  And it's an unprecedented action in our opinion.  And in this sense, Mr. President, we would like to thank you for the valor and courage that you had in implementing this action.  I am sure that many, many families in the United States of America are thankful to you as well.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #183 on: June 18, 2012, 01:34:26 PM »
A Nation of Paper, Not of Men
June 18, 2012 - 5:28 am - by Andrew C. McCarthy





In continuing the dramatic shift from American constitutional democracy to rule by executive fiat that has marked his tenure, President Barack Obama now claims that the illegal aliens, to whom he purports to grant what effectively is amnesty, are “Americans … in every single way but one — on paper.” That is false. They are not Americans under the only thing that matters, the thing the Obama administration has chanted like a mantra — while riding roughshod over  – since its very first day in power: the rule of law.
 
The Constitution and congressional statutes are written on parchment. That is the only relevance of “paper” in this equation — as the “hard copy” of our social contract and of the laws enacted pursuant to it. Under the Constitution, Congress, not the president, is endowed with such a power: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” Congress exercises this power by passing laws. Under the Constitution, which Obama took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend, and under the laws it is his duty to execute faithfully, illegal aliens — no matter how sympathetic their plight, no matter how blameless they may be for the illegality of their status — are not citizens of the United States. They are not Americans. Period. It is not “paper” that separates them from our body politic, it is the law, of which Obama is supposed to be servant, not master — as I argued in this September 2011 essay for The New Criterion: “The Ruler of Law — On ‘Justice’ in the Age of Obama.”
 
Nevertheless, immigration is only the context of the president’s latest usurpation. It is a critically important issue, yes, but the real gravity of what Obama has done lies not in the subject matter of his edict but in the authoritarian assumptions of its issuance. They transcend mere arrogance: the president proposes to eviscerate our constitutional system. He claims nothing less than the dictatorial power to pronounce what the law is. This usurpation, moreover, complements the dictatorial powers he has already claimed to enforce only the laws of his choosing and to use the police powers of his office to deprive the sovereign states and the people of their constitutional prerogatives and rights.


To be sure, a president has not only the authority but the duty to refrain from enforcing congressional statutes that violate the Constitution. Presidents are no less duty-bound in this regard than the federal courts, which are obliged to hold that such enactments are null and void when the question arises in litigation. That, however, is not what Obama is doing.
 
As John Yoo observes, there is no conceivable argument that the federal immigration laws are constitutionally suspect. Obama simply rejects them as a matter of policy preference. That itself is a blatant violation of his constitutional oath.
 
Lest we forget, the president of the United States is the only federal official required by the Constitution to swear, as a condition precedent to assuming the vast powers of his office, that he will “faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and … to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Nor ought we forget that every nominee to the Supreme Court and the office of attorney general is grilled by the Senate regarding his or her willingness to abide by and enforce those laws and precedents with which he or she, on policy grounds, disagrees. It is a bedrock principle that once the people’s representatives enact a law to which there is no plausible constitutional objection, government officials must honor that law — regardless of their personal views about it — unless and until it is repealed or amended through the process prescribed by the Constitution.
 
Nor can prosecutorial discretion remotely justify Obama’s gambit. Resources are finite. Practicality demands — and the law acknowledges — that good-faith judgments must be made by the Justice Department and other Executive Branch agencies regarding which violations of law are a priority to address and which may go unaddressed. President Obama, however, is not saying the Executive Branch lacks the resources to enforce the immigration laws. He is proclaiming that he chooses not to enforce them.
 
Moreover, he is not simply refraining from law enforcement. He is affirmatively obstructing the states from enforcing their sovereign right to police their territories. He furthermore proposes to confer positive benefits on a class of illegal aliens in order to legitimize their status, something it is in the power only of Congress to do and something which Congress — having considered the matter carefully, and having heard the objections of the American people — has specifically declined to do.
 
This is another instance of Obama’s brazen lack of regard for the system he is duty-bound to honor: He claims he cannot sit back and wait for Congress to act; but as he well knows, lawmakers have acted: They said “no.”
 
Obama is not merely failing to enforce the immigration laws. He is destroying the system on which our liberty depends, a system he swore to safeguard. This oath was a solemn one, of far greater consequence than, say, a pitcher’s oath to testify truthfully to Congress about steroid use — an incident over which the federal government has spent millions of taxpayer dollars in an effort to convict Roger Clemens of a felony, notwithstanding the utter absence of any federal interest in the integrity of professional baseball.
 
We are entitled to conclude Obama defrauded the American people in taking his oath of office. He prefaced the oath by unabashedly declaring his intention to “fundamentally transform the United States of America.” He followed the oath with a series of usurpations designed to do just that. This highlights another mendacious aspect of Obama’s pandering to the hard Left on illegal immigration and, symmetrically, on election fraud (the policing against which he similarly obstructs).
 
The president says the young illegal aliens he has in mind are “Americans” except on paper. But who is Obama to say what an American is? By his own self-heralding, he is here to transform the United States. His mantra is “change.” He has stacked his Justice Department and the rest of the Executive Branch sprawl with progressive operatives whose obsession is to transmogrify America culturally, economically, and politically — to alter our very nature. When Obama talks about someone being “an American” or something being one of “our values,” he is not talking about the America that is; he is invoking the authoritarian, collectivist, redistributionist, post-sovereign, transnational America of his design.
 
It ought not matter whether we agree or disagree with Obama’s policy objectives on immigration — or the glut of areas from the use of force to labor relations to state sovereignty to socialized medicine to debt to diet, etc., on which he presumes to dictate rather than honor the law. Our social compact as a body politic demands that policy objectives be pursued within a system of divided powers in which the prerogatives of the president and of the federal government are strictly limited. Obama rejects this bedrock principle. Therefore, we must reject him.
 
If he is not removed from office — and if, while he retains office, politically accountable actors at the federal and state level continue their feckless failure to use their constitutional muscle to block him and rein him in — this will no longer be America. Not even on paper.
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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #184 on: June 18, 2012, 02:17:27 PM »
The Immigration Ploy (Thomas Sowell)
 Creators Syndicate ^ | June 19, 2012 | Thomas Sowell



Posted on Monday, June 18, 2012 4:08:53 PM by jazusamo

President Obama's latest political ploy — granting new "rights" out of thin air, by Executive Order, to illegal immigrants who claim that they were brought into the country when they were children — is all too typical of his short-run approach to the country's long-run problems.

Whatever the merits or demerits of the Obama immigration policy, his Executive Order is good only as long as he remains president, which may be only a matter of months after this year's election.

People cannot plan their lives on the basis of laws that can suddenly appear, and then suddenly disappear, in less than a year. To come forward today and claim the protection of the Obama Executive Order is to declare publicly and officially that your parents entered the country illegally. How that may be viewed by some later administration is anybody's guess.

Employers likewise cannot rely on policies that may be here today and gone tomorrow, whether these are temporary tax rates designed to look good at election time or temporary immigration policies that can backfire later if employers get accused of hiring illegal immigrants.

Why hire someone, and invest time and money in training them, if you may be forced to fire them before a year has passed?

Kicking the can down the road is one of the favorite exercises in Washington. But neither in the economy nor in their personal lives can people make plans and commitments on the basis of government policies that suddenly appear and suddenly disappear.

Like so many other Obama ploys, his immigration ploy is not meant to help the country, but to help Obama. This is all about getting the Hispanic vote this November.

The principle involved — keeping children from being hurt by actions over which they had no control — is one already advanced by Senator Marco Rubio, who may well end up as Governor Romney's vice-presidential running mate. The Obama Executive Order, which suddenly popped up like a rabbit out of a magician's hat, steals some of Senator Rubio's thunder, so it is clever politics.

But clever politics is what has gotten this country into so much trouble, not only as regards immigration but also as regards the economy and the dangerous international situation.

When the new, and perhaps short-lived, immigration policy is looked at in terms of how it can be administered, it makes even less sense. While this policy is rationalized in terms of children, those who invoke it are likely to do so as adults.

How do you check someone's claim that he was brought into the country illegally when he was a child? If Obama gets reelected, it is very unlikely that illegal immigrants will really have to prove anything. The administration can simply choose not to enforce that provision, as so many other immigration laws are unenforced in the Obama administration.

If Obama does not get reelected, then it may not matter anyway, when his Executive Order can be gone after he is gone.

Ultimately, it does not matter what immigration policy this country has, if it cannot control its own borders. Whoever wants to come, and who has the chutzpah, will come. And the fact that they come across the Mexican border does not mean that they are all Mexicans. They can just as easily be terrorists from the Middle East.

Only after the border is controlled can any immigration policy matter be seriously considered, and options weighed through the normal Constitutional process of Congressional hearings, debate and legislation, rather than by Presidential short-cuts.

Not only is border control fundamental, what is also fundamental is the principle that immigration policy does not exist to accommodate foreigners but to protect Americans — and the American culture that has made this the world's richest, freest and most powerful nation for more than a century.

No nation can absorb unlimited numbers of people from another culture without jeopardizing its own culture. In the 19th and early 20th century, America could absorb millions of immigrants who came here to become Americans. But the situation is entirely different today, when group separatism, resentment and polarization are being promoted by both the education system and politicians.


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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #185 on: June 18, 2012, 03:16:42 PM »
Obama's move on immigration is an unconstitutional disaster for the unemployed
By Roy Beck, Monday, June 18, 2012, 9:03 AM EDT


 

President Obama thwarted the will of Congress and shunned the 20 million under-employed and unemployed Americans by announcing he will grant work permits to 2 million to 3 million illegal immigrants.
 
This appears to be an unconstitutional fiat that not only usurps congressional authority to set immigration policy but directly contradicts what Congress has already decided. The president suggests that his new policy is designed to enact as much of the DREAM Act amnesty as possible because Congress hasn't acted on its own. But Congress indeed has acted -- three times in votes that rejected granting these illegal aliens the legal residency and work permits that the president now says he will deal out all by himself.
 
(This blog also ran as an op-ed on FoxNews.com.)

This is a knee-jerk response to pro-amnesty interest groups that have attacked Mr. Obama with an intense, well-funded public relations campaign urging him essentially to nullify congressional immigration laws because supporters of amnesty know that the elected representatives of the American people won't approve amnesties any more. Until today, the president had said that he couldn't just overturn immigration laws on his own. His capitulation may provide a short-term political payoff among some special interest groups but in the long term will feed the perception that he is much more interested in currying favor among narrow interest groups than addressing the needs of the massive ranks of the unemployed.
 
The unavoidable fact is that Mr. Obama's announced executive amnesty will increase the supply of legal workers to compete for jobs with the 20 million Americans who can't find a job or have been forced into part-time work. The president may think he can repeal the laws of Congress but he can't repeal the law of supply and demand.
 
And the increase in the labor supply will not be small. Most news reports at first suggested that around 800,000 illegal aliens would benefit from the president's offer of job permits. But that is a misinterpretation of estimates in 2010 about the effect of the DREAM Act amnesty that the lame duck Senate defeated. There were nearly 2 million illegal aliens who could qualify for the provisional part of the amnesty because they were in high school, in college or had already graduated from college. But only about 800,000 were expected to actually end up as college graduates and qualify for the permanent amnesty. Because the new Obama amnesty would not require college graduation, the 800,000 figure is no longer valid. All 2 million would qualify. In addition, the Obama amnesty would not require a person to even go to college which would add hundreds of thousands more illegal aliens to the beneficiary list.
 
When the president announced his new more lenient directive last summer for people who would have benefited from the DREAM amnesty, he was skating close to the legal line but probably not over it because Congress indeed has given presidents prosecutorial discretion in whether to go through the effort to deport an illegal immigrant. It also has given presidents the ability to provide temporary work permits to illegal aliens in special circumstances.
 
But President Obama has moved into frightening new territory with his new announcement because he has taken discretion away from his law enforcement agents and now appears to require them to grant this presence amnesty and jobs amnesty in massive numbers never intended or anticipated by Congress. And it is the jobs promise that is the most insulting and insensitive to the most vulnerable members of our national community.
 
The most vulnerable Americans are disproportionately black and Hispanic Americans, two voting blocs the president is counting on for his re-election. Yet, these two groups with exceptionally high unemployment among young adults are the ones who will have to compete most directly with the millions of illegal aliens that the president intends to add to the labor force.
 
What Mr. Obama – and all the Members of Congress proposing their own versions of a DREAM amnesty -- miss is that young illegal aliens aren't the only ones having a hard time. The country is full of American victims of this economy. The latter should not be re-victimized by efforts to help the former.
 
The Republican leadership in Congress may bear considerable responsibility for Mr. Obama's latest power grab. It has stood by terrified to tackle immigration priorities the last two years.. Speaker John Boehner and his team are currently center stage in blocking a mandatory E-Verify bill that would provide employment for millions of Americans by moving illegal immigrants from the very construction, hospitality, manufacturing, service and transportation jobs sought by most unemployed U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. Republican leaders have allowed Pres. Obama to ignore and modify congressional immigration laws so consistently that it isn't surprising that he thinks he can get by with this huge new executive amnesty. Perhaps this latest pandering by the president will finally move them to action to stand up for the 20 million Americans who can't find a full-time job.
 
ROY BECK is the CEO & Founder of NumbersUSA


https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/june-18-2012/obamas-move-immigration-unconstitutional-disaster-unemployed.html


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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #186 on: June 18, 2012, 06:44:28 PM »
Allen West on Obama: 'The Resurrection of an Imperial Presidency'
Weekly Standard ^ | 5/18/12 | DANIEL HALPER
Posted on June 18, 2012 9:40:11 PM EDT by Libloather

Allen West on Obama: 'The Resurrection of an Imperial Presidency'
1:21 PM, Jun 18, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

Speaking this morning to talk radio host Laura Ingraham, Florida congressman Allen West, a Republican, blasted President Obama's immigration plan to use prosecutorial discretion not to go after young immigrants who came to the United States illegally. Obama announced his new immigration plan on Friday.

"What country did we wake up in on Friday?," West asked. "It just causes people to ask, where are we? You know, the last time we had this was with King George III, and we didn't like it too much. And I think that you’re seeing the resurrection of an imperial presidency, and the arrogance thereof. To think that you can come out and basically tell the American people that this is what we're going to do ... and don't question me."

The big hold up for West seems to be Obama's decision to bypass Congress and the law of the land. "America is not about ruling by verbal edict or just whims; the president has been elected to enforce the laws of this country. And he doesn't get to pick which laws he likes or dislikes. And I find it very perplexing and ironic that when he had control of the House and Senate, this did not seem like a very important issue."

West continued:

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #187 on: June 18, 2012, 06:46:11 PM »
Obama Campaign Sends ‘Dreamers’ Fundraising Email Hours after Amnesty Announcement
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-campaign-sends-dreamers-fundraising-email-hours-after-amnesty-announcement ^
Posted on June 18, 2012 9:39:39 PM EDT by chessplayer

(CNSNews.com) – Seven hours after President Barack Obama announced that some illegal aliens would be allowed to stay in the United States and could be allowed to work here, Katherine Archuleta, Obama’s national campaign director, e-mailed a fundraising letter seeking donations to his re-election effort.

The e-mail, with the subject line “wonderful news,” contains links to the website, where visitors can listen to Obama’s speech on immigration he gave at 2:08 p.m. on Friday in the White House Rose Garden.

The letter said that Obama has been trying “for years” to get Congress to act on immigration reform.

“They haven't,” the letter states. “So he did.”

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Just like gay marriage, it's all about cash for Ghettobama

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #188 on: June 18, 2012, 06:56:17 PM »
Top Immigration Enforcement Official Arrested After Allegedly Hiring Illegal Aliens
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Posted on June 18, 2012 9:49:43 PM EDT by chessplayer

Boston - A top Homeland Security official in Boston has been accused of repeatedly hiring illegal immigrants to clean her home.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #189 on: June 19, 2012, 05:19:53 AM »

Obama's Backdoor Amnesty Overreach Just Par for His Course
 Townhall.com ^ | June 19, 2012 | David Limbaugh




As disturbing as was President Obama's lawless usurpation of constitutional authority in circumventing the DREAM Act to grant backdoor amnesty, this type of overreach is nothing new for him.

He has frequently complained about how democracy and the Constitution are "messy" and do not permit him to exercise the authority of a Chinese president. But he nevertheless warned us that he would be pushing forward with his agenda through executive orders and administrative actions "on a wide range of fronts."

But he has outdone himself this time, even going beyond limitations he freely recognized not long ago, when he complained that he didn't have the authority to impose his immigration policy wish list. Perhaps recent polling numbers showing him trailing Mitt Romney have increased his desperation.

His frontal assaults on the Constitution are so brazen now it's hard not to conclude that he was willing to take a calculated risk that his excesses would offend fewer rule of law sticklers than they would attract Hispanic voters.

A few people emailed and tweeted me and said they bet I was disappointed my new book, "The Great Destroyer," had already gone to print so that I couldn't include this latest example of Obama's destructive behavior.

To the contrary, I told my well-wishers, I had in fact included this backdoor amnesty stunt in the introduction to the book (pages 6-7), saying Obama had already been considering it. I told you the book was timely -- and comprehensive.

Let me give you some other examples of Obama's recurring pattern of executive encroachment on the legislative branch, which, taken together, will demonstrative why many of us are so concerned with these assaults on the Constitution, as well as Obama's destructive swath against our nation's financial health, our national security, our values, our economy, our oil and a host of other things.

His administration deceived Congress and the public in reporting that the Comprehensive Review Working Group survey revealed that our military rank and file supported the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," before the service members had even been questioned.

It took steps to shut down the Yucca Mountain nuclear storage facility, in which Congress had already invested $12 billion, without securing an alternative site -- the decision being based solely on policy reasons, not science.

While Obama pretended to be against -- he later "evolved" -- same-sex marriage, his administration unilaterally denounced the Defense of Marriage Act and said it would not defend it in court.

The administration granted waivers to certain states from the No Child Left Behind Act's math proficiency requirements, on the condition that these states impose its education policies. Outrageous.

It submitted a report to the United Nations Human Rights Council that sounded like a liberal policy screed, in which it strongly criticized America's "discriminatory" record against the LGBT community and minorities. It even offered up for review and critique Arizona's immigration law, an effort to allow an international body consisting of many notorious human rights-abusing and America-hating nations to pass judgment on our sovereign state. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer was rightly incensed.

Obama unilaterally crammed down a restructuring of the automakers, in which he forced secured creditors to receive far less and enabled his unsecured union creditor friends to receive far more than the law provided. The administration disproportionately allowed minority- and female-owned dealerships to retain their businesses. And, as everyone now realizes, the Justice Department dismissed an already won case against New Black Panther Party members for voter intimidation, which DOJ insiders informed us was based on an unwritten policy forbidding the pursuit of such cases involving black perpetrators against white victims.

Though only 12 percent of employees are union members, the administration granted the majority of its 1,231 Obamacare waivers to plans run by labor unions.

Then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates was furious that the administration, in its shameless PR orgy following the Osama bin Laden raid, had leaked vital national security information that could put our troops at risk.

The Department of Justice has repeatedly refused to release the majority of "Fast and Furious" documents to congressional investigators, in flagrant contempt of Congress.

The administration pressured Solyndra to delay layoffs until after the November 2010 elections so as to avoid political damage, costing taxpayers an additional $40 million.

When a federal judge lifted the administration's offshore drilling ban, the administration just slightly rewrote it and re-implemented the ban, in defiance of the court. Administration officials also doctored a report from experts to deceitfully downplay the economic damage that would result from the drilling moratorium and overstate the environmental risk that would result from lifting the ban.

I'm just getting warmed up, but it suffices to say that it's past time for Democratic lawmakers to join with Republicans in defending our Constitution and our liberties against this rogue president.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #190 on: June 19, 2012, 05:31:44 AM »
now, the question is-  how will romney respond.

we know his "3 am" response time might suck now... I mean, he's had 4 days now to respond to this issue... still can't come up with whether he'll support or revoke this bill.  I sure hope he doesn't take 4 days to respond to other issues with such quickness :(

Obama played ROmney on this one.  Obama broke the law with this illegal bill - and romney can't even tell us if he'll end an illegal bill.  too scared to piss off illegals who can't vote anyway.  WTF.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #191 on: June 19, 2012, 05:34:07 AM »
now, the question is-  how will romney respond.

we know his "3 am" response time might suck now... I mean, he's had 4 days now to respond to this issue... still can't come up with whether he'll support or revoke this bill.  I sure hope he doesn't take 4 days to respond to other issues with such quickness :(

Obama played ROmney on this one.  Obama broke the law with this illegal bill - and romney can't even tell us if he'll end an illegal bill.  too scared to piss off illegals who can't vote anyway.  WTF.

4 days to respond? And the repub wants you to think it was easy ordering the OBL raid LOL?

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #192 on: June 19, 2012, 05:36:02 AM »
now, the question is-  how will romney respond.

we know his "3 am" response time might suck now... I mean, he's had 4 days now to respond to this issue... still can't come up with whether he'll support or revoke this bill.  I sure hope he doesn't take 4 days to respond to other issues with such quickness :(

Obama played ROmney on this one.  Obama broke the law with this illegal bill - and romney can't even tell us if he'll end an illegal bill.  too scared to piss off illegals who can't vote anyway.  WTF.

So obama brazenly breaks the law and the best you piece of shit obamabots can do is turn it to romney?

180 - I am being dead serious - you have turned into a pathetic fucking troll of the worst order and a perfect example of the peggy's, julio's, and sycophantic lemmings crying at obama's rallys. 

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #193 on: June 19, 2012, 05:40:06 AM »
So obama brazenly breaks the law and the best you piece of shit obamabots can do is turn it to romney?

180 - I am being dead serious - you have turned into a pathetic fucking troll of the worst order and a perfect example of the peggy's, julio's, and sycophantic lemmings crying at obama's rallys. 

33, take a breath here - I completely agree the DREAM exec order is garbage, it's illegal and should be repealed on minute fucking 1 of a Romney presidency.  I"m just pissed that he  doesn't agree with me ;)   I've bitched about DREAM for 3 years now, probably louder than you have.  It's crap.  I've been saying for a decade that Id break the knee of every illegal and drop them at south points of mexico and let them try to limp back, making them easier to ID the next time around. 

So please, don't call me a kneepadder - this order is straight fucking illegal.   But why the holy hell won't romney say it's garbage and he'll end it?  He says it about obamacare (and he is right) - so why is romney hispandering here?  And if you ADMIT romney is hispandering, how is he any better than obama?

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #194 on: June 19, 2012, 05:42:24 AM »
The president is not the king
By U-T San Diego Editorial Staff

6 p.m., June 17, 2012



This editorial page has long supported smarter, forward-thinking immigration policies such as those ordered by the Obama administration Friday. Under the order – if it survives certain legal challenges – illegal immigrants will be allowed to live and work in the United States without fear of deportation if they came here before they were 16, are younger than 30, have lived here for five years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or served in the military.

However, this editorial page has also long held that there are constitutional limits on the power of the president. This led us to criticize George W. Bush’s extremist view that the president has nearly unlimited powers during war and to hail a 2004 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that said “a state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation’s citizens.”

We lamented the Bush administration’s belief that it could it indefinitely detain anyone it wanted, including Americans, without judicial review, and noted the high court had held this was contrary to “the essence of a free society.”

Before reaching the White House, Barack Obama voiced similar concerns. He even signed a pledge that emphasized the limits on executive authority: “We are Americans, and in our America we do not torture, we do not imprison people without charge or legal remedy, we do not tap people’s phones and emails without court order, and above all we do not give any president unchecked power.”

But this is not remotely how Obama has governed. His administration unilaterally rewrote the immense, complex No Child Left Behind education law – landmark legislation crafted after a year of bipartisan wrangling between President Bush and Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. The administration also asserts authority to kill suspected terrorists anywhere, including American citizens, without anything resembling legitimate due process. And now it asserts authority to unilaterally rewrite U.S. immigration policy – even though just last year, the president said it was “just not true” that he could make sweeping changes without congressional approval.

These actions come in a polarized political climate in which a main theme of the White House is that it could get so much done if only Congress wasn’t obstructionist. But many presidents have had to govern with Congresses that balked at their initiatives. And Obama, who taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, knows that the founding fathers crafted a government with a separation of powers among the executive, judicial and legislative branches so that a president could not govern as if he were a king, above the law.

Those who welcome Obama governing by fiat should think about the precedent. How would they feel if on Jan. 20, 2013, President Mitt Romney repealed Democrats’ hard-earned health care reform law – with an executive order? Based on the Obama administration’s conception of executive authority, that would be within his power.

Everyone who thinks about this issue should consider what might result if a president with views they didn’t like had the sort of unchecked power asserted by the present chief executive. The acceptability of an imperial presidency then quickly recedes.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #195 on: June 19, 2012, 06:27:10 AM »
Thanks Obama! Mexican illegals plan family reunions at last
 Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 6/18/12 | Simon Gardner and Ioan Grillo - Reuters




IXMIQUILPAN, Mexico (Reuters) - Seamstress Paulina Gutierrez, an ethnic Otomi Indian, prayed every day for years for a miracle to reunite her with her two sons, who were smuggled into the United States as children and have lived in permanent fear of deportation back to Mexico.

Now, thanks to a major immigration policy shift by U.S. President Barack Obama, she can barely contain her excitement at the prospect of once again hugging her two boys - and two grandchildren she has never met.

Without papers to get back into the United States, Gutierrez' sons cannot visit her in Mexico. She says at 58 she is too old to creep back across the U.S. border with human smugglers, or "coyotes." So she has not seen them since returning to Mexico in 2007.

Sitting on a plastic chair in her humble provisions store on the outskirts of the heavily migrant city of Ixmiquilpan, 95 miles north of Mexico City, her eyes well with tears as she recalls making the heart-wrenching decision to leave her sons and husband behind in the United States.

She had to return to Mexico to look after her ailing parents.

So Obama's order on Friday allowing young undocumented immigrants to stay legally and work as long as they meet a series of conditions was a godsend for her.

It is also a major victory for President Felipe Calderon, who had all but given up on winning improved terms for Mexico's massive migrant population after the September 11, 2001, attacks relegated the issue to the back burner and shifted the U.S. focus to Iraq and Afghanistan.


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Obama probably was forced to do this to continue the coverup of Fast and Furious and to please Calderone who is still seathing over the 300+ deaths as a result of obama's treason. 

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #196 on: June 19, 2012, 07:08:16 AM »
The president groveling for votes at the expense of the American citizen and the law. Pathetic.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #197 on: June 19, 2012, 07:33:14 AM »
All Hail Emperor Obama
 Townhall.com ^ | June 19, 2012 | Cal Thomas




"This notion I can somehow just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively, but fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true." -- Barack Obama, September 2011

President Obama is no longer president in the constitutional sense. He appears to have elevated himself to the role of emperor, deciding unilaterally what should be the law and what should not, bypassing Congress and placing himself in the role of Julius Caesar.

First it was the revelation that he has a "hit list" from which he alone decides who lives and who dies by drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen.

With last Friday's announcement that he intends to effectively grant amnesty to a category of illegal aliens, according to criteria he has set -- their age, a spotless criminal record, a minimum level of education, and/or military service -- the president has technically, possibly deliberately and it can be argued illegally, violated his oath of office in which he swore to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" so help him God. Whose help does the president seek when he acts as if he is God?

The Constitution empowers Congress, not the president, to make laws, but President Obama has bypassed that body to become a Congress of one and a law unto himself.

The president has announced his administration won't enforce a law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton -- the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- because he believes it is unconstitutional. But he will craft his own immigration policy -- given that the Dream Act is still in limbo -- by immediately halting the deportation of and giving work permits to illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children. So not only is he president; Emperor Obama has usurped the power of Congress and the Supreme Court.

In an age of political pandering, this crass appeal for Hispanic votes has to rank near the top of anyone's list. While the Washington Post fixates on the 40th anniversary of the Watergate break-in and recalls Richard Nixon's disdain for the Constitution, there is silence about this president's similar disregard for that document's constraints on executive power.

Official unemployment for American citizens remains above 8 percent. Now, 800,000 noncitizens can work legally, in some cases for lower wages, thus robbing some citizens of what should be their priority place in the job line. Will those newly enfranchised noncitizens who can't find work get food stamps and welfare checks drawn on borrowed money from China? You know they will. That is part of the president's vote-buying contract.

The Obama re-election team apparently has calculated that every vote lost by an angry unemployed American citizen will be made up for with votes from Hispanics and result in a net plus for the president. That is a dangerous gamble, especially since it assumes Hispanics who are legal citizens, or legal residents, will applaud those who violated laws they had to obey when they came to America.

If a Republican president behaved in such a cavalier manner toward Congress and the Constitution he would be impeached. Again, consider Nixon and Watergate.

The president's appeal, he maintains, is about "fairness" and other notions that have nothing to do with the law. There is a constitutional and legal way to regulate people who are "undocumented." It is through Congress, which made the laws illegals have violated. The decree of a president who unilaterally and unconstitutionally decides which laws he will uphold, in the case of DOMA, and which laws he will create, in the case of illegal aliens, in order to cynically pander for Hispanic votes, is how dictators rule.

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #198 on: June 19, 2012, 04:44:33 PM »
The president groveling for votes at the expense of the American citizen and the law. Pathetic.

Romney being a spineless little bitch for not speaking out against it.   Oh wait Romney is a sell out too for votes. 

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Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants (by Obama)
« Reply #199 on: June 19, 2012, 05:02:21 PM »
Romney being a spineless little bitch for not speaking out against it.   Oh wait Romney is a sell out too for votes. 

Our future is so bright I need a head lamp.

getbiggers are actually criticizing Obama WAY more than ROmney is.   how silly is that?