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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2012, 05:59:52 AM »
1) Listen to Rush

2) Develop identical position

3) Getbiggers pretend it doesn't happen.

Poor attempt at trolling. Sad how far you've fallen....your path has mirrored DaddyWaddy's.

But anyways....


It starts with enforcement, it has to begin there. Any "solution" that doesn't start with enforcement of existing laws is simply a bribe for votes program and a sell-out of America.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2012, 07:00:59 AM »
We need the immigrants to learn the language, culture, and laws of the land so that they can more effectively integrate into society. Probably, a dedicated center -- a camp maybe? -- will be needed for this sort of specialized learning. There, the immigrants will be able to concentrate on their studies, free from interference. What can we call the places...Camps of concentration maybe? So there's a solution, send all of the immigrants to camps of concentration.

Nice :)

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2012, 07:56:41 AM »
Poor attempt at trolling. Sad how far you've fallen....your path has mirrored DaddyWaddy's.

But anyways....


It starts with enforcement, it has to begin there. Any "solution" that doesn't start with enforcement of existing laws is simply a bribe for votes program and a sell-out of America.
his post has a point.  My post was an attempt at trolling.  I get away with it and 240 gets called out lol...

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2012, 08:09:48 AM »
Yes.

Step 1: Update America's outdated and racist immigration system. Eliminate the quotas. Allow everyone who is not a criminal or terrorist come into the country but prevent them from utilizing our welfare system.

Step 2: Amnesty for all illegal immigrants. Grant them all visas. The only catch should be that they are not allowed to utilize our welfare system.

Step 3: Improve voter ID laws so that no immigrant can vote until they become a citizen.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2012, 08:42:45 AM »
i agree the laws should be enforced.  I'd develop an awesome worker database, punish every employer of an illegal with a 50k fine, and put em out of business. 

illegals would leave on their own.

and I sure as fck woudln't support this DREAM bullshit that obama and rubio are circle jerking over.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2012, 10:32:45 AM »
his post has a point.  My post was an attempt at trolling.  I get away with it and 240 gets called out lol...

You're both doing a bang-up job running this board into the ground.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2012, 11:00:20 AM »
You're both doing a bang-up job running this board into the ground.
funny coming from a guy who openly made that his mission for the first several years of this board.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2012, 01:48:11 PM »
funny coming from a guy who openly made that his mission for the first several years of this board.

If I had the time, I'd go back to it. I can't help the fact that you were voted out by a jury of your peers and usurped power.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2012, 02:20:42 PM »
If I had the time, I'd go back to it. I can't help the fact that you were voted out by a jury of your peers and usurped power.

but i have to make more burgers,and later on my mommy and i are going to bake cookies  :D :D

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2012, 02:22:04 PM »
but i have to make more burgers,and later on my mommy and i are going to bake cookies  :D :D

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2012, 04:50:07 PM »
- Currency disparity.  Have Mexico adopt the dollar.....the disparity right now between the Peso and the Dollar is staggering.  This is one reason why a Mexican/Central American makes more money cutting grass or chopping meat in the US than making Fiat/Chrysler "Hemi" engines(and those Mexican pistons are awwwfffullll) in a homegrown factory.

- Political corruption.  Face it, political corruption exists everywhere.  However, due to the power of the drug cartels and the suppression(and killing) of journalists, creates a problem that Mexico alone is unable to handle.  Assistance from the US military would be necessary at some point.

- Supply and demand.  Companies and individuals desire low wages below minimum wage standards and duck beneath those various pesky worker regulations(largely, safety).  Most illegal aliens provide that low wage labor and are willing to work for that pay.  Eliminate the demand for illegal immigrant labor, and you kill(har, har) off the supply(you know.....illegals!).

- Government and political pandering.  Governments, via the use of Spanish-only instructions and advocacy groups, allow much easier access to social programs that put huge financial burdens on state and local governments.  Hospitals forced to close, governments forced into cuts, etc....Politicians are afraid of possibly "offending" Hispanic groups and instead pass laws that are lenient on cracking down on illegal immigration.  Utilizing an English-only policy such as voting and applying for benefits may be a solution to at least some of this.

- Demographics.  The elephant in the room.  White(heck, whites the world over) are increasingly fearful that they will lose their political power within their native countries as they become minorities.  Due to passive "white guilt", lax immigration policies, and general appeasement to any and all racial groups this is perhaps a passive feeling by whites to placate the soon to be dominant racial group and hope to halt any abuses by the newly dominant group.  However, as living standards increase(rapidly rising amongst Hispanics and blacks), the so-called demographic death-knell of 2050 won't necessarily result in a truly "Brown America."  Birth rates should decrease to US-White levels and whites should remain, however narrowly, the majority in 2050.

- Balkanization.  The future of all nations.  On a micro level we Americans divide ourselves on basis of race, religion, and region.  Sometimes, just crossing the street puts you in a neighborhood where you are looked at warily or with outright hostility.  We are many nations within one nation and would instantly be at each others throats when the delicate balance is upended(such as EBT cards not swiping anymore).  Nothing to be done about this.


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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2012, 05:33:05 PM »
Yes.

Step 1: Update America's outdated and racist immigration system. Eliminate the quotas. Allow everyone who is not a criminal or terrorist come into the country but prevent them from utilizing our welfare system.

Step 2: Amnesty for all illegal immigrants. Grant them all visas. The only catch should be that they are not allowed to utilize our welfare system.

Step 3: Improve voter ID laws so that no immigrant can vote until they become a citizen.

Creating a new class of quasi~citizens is not politically viable, whatever its merits.

Also, voter ID laws are handled at the state level. Thus, unless there was a concentrated effort to get every single state  to implement such laws - a herculean task almost certain to fail - a cluster of them (however large or small) will lack such laws. Predictably, immigrants will flock to such states, to the extent that they desire to be politically active.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2012, 05:40:50 PM »
- Currency disparity.  Have Mexico adopt the dollar.....the disparity right now between the Peso and the Dollar is staggering.  This is one reason why a Mexican/Central American makes more money cutting grass or chopping meat in the US than making Fiat/Chrysler "Hemi" engines(and those Mexican pistons are awwwfffullll) in a homegrown factory.

- Political corruption.  Face it, political corruption exists everywhere.  However, due to the power of the drug cartels and the suppression(and killing) of journalists, creates a problem that Mexico alone is unable to handle.  Assistance from the US military would be necessary at some point.

- Supply and demand.  Companies and individuals desire low wages below minimum wage standards and duck beneath those various pesky worker regulations(largely, safety).  Most illegal aliens provide that low wage labor and are willing to work for that pay.  Eliminate the demand for illegal immigrant labor, and you kill(har, har) off the supply(you know.....illegals!).

- Government and political pandering.  Governments, via the use of Spanish-only instructions and advocacy groups, allow much easier access to social programs that put huge financial burdens on state and local governments.  Hospitals forced to close, governments forced into cuts, etc....Politicians are afraid of possibly "offending" Hispanic groups and instead pass laws that are lenient on cracking down on illegal immigration.  Utilizing an English-only policy such as voting and applying for benefits may be a solution to at least some of this.

- Demographics.  The elephant in the room.  White(heck, whites the world over) are increasingly fearful that they will lose their political power within their native countries as they become minorities.  Due to passive "white guilt", lax immigration policies, and general appeasement to any and all racial groups this is perhaps a passive feeling by whites to placate the soon to be dominant racial group and hope to halt any abuses by the newly dominant group.  However, as living standards increase(rapidly rising amongst Hispanics and blacks), the so-called demographic death-knell of 2050 won't necessarily result in a truly "Brown America."  Birth rates should decrease to US-White levels and whites should remain, however narrowly, the majority in 2050.

- Balkanization.  The future of all nations.  On a micro level we Americans divide ourselves on basis of race, religion, and region.  Sometimes, just crossing the street puts you in a neighborhood where you are looked at warily or with outright hostility.  We are many nations within one nation and would instantly be at each others throats when the delicate balance is upended(such as EBT cards not swiping anymore).  Nothing to be done about this.


Lots of truth that people dont want to acknowledge here.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2012, 05:49:36 PM »
but i have to make more burgers,and later on my mommy and i are going to bake cookies  :D :D


Lemme guess...mommy is code for your boyfriend.

And baking cookies is code for you shoving something in his...ahem...oven.

Sounds about right.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2012, 05:54:41 PM »

Lemme guess...mommy is code for your boyfriend.

And baking cookies is code for you shoving something in his...ahem...oven.

Sounds about right.

;D

Watch out now or Simple Jack the jobless, dyslexic retard will have a 5-page running conversation with his gimmicks about you.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2012, 06:29:28 PM »
;D

Watch out now or Simple Jack the jobless, dyslexic retard will have a 5-page running conversation with his gimmicks about you.



Yeah, he's really been ramping up his whork gimmick.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2012, 07:14:02 PM »

Lemme guess...mommy is code for your boyfriend.

And baking cookies is code for you shoving something in his...ahem...oven.

Sounds about right.

hahahaha sticking up for your boyfriend, the getbig pussy can't fight his own battles,he truely is the getbig mama's boy :D :D

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2012, 07:14:47 PM »
I have a new idea... give them amnesty, but sterilize them.

Uh? Uh!? Anyone?

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2012, 08:30:29 PM »
romney has no solution.  but... he knows obama is doing that wrong.


i hate to say it - but he sounded liek a typical politician on the CBS sunday morning show.  When asked "Would you overturn the bill", he kept responding with "Obama has failed us..."

I mean, it's okay whtn a goofball message board debater uses "obama sucks" as every response - but we're giving this man the power to overturn existing presidential exec orders - HUGE power - and he straight up refuses to say what he'll revoke.  It's like buying 50 rocket launchers, and when the salesman asks what you're doing, you complain about how shitty the weather is.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2012, 08:34:36 PM »
romney has no solution.  but... he knows obama is doing that wrong.


i hate to say it - but he sounded liek a typical politician on the CBS sunday morning show.  When asked "Would you overturn the bill", he kept responding with "Obama has failed us..."

I mean, it's okay whtn a goofball message board debater uses "obama sucks" as every response - but we're giving this man the power to overturn existing presidential exec orders - HUGE power - and he straight up refuses to say what he'll revoke.  It's like buying 50 rocket launchers, and when the salesman asks what you're doing, you complain about how shitty the weather is.



Go vote for Obama and fuck off asshole.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2012, 08:41:13 PM »
romney has no solution.  but... he knows obama is doing that wrong.


i hate to say it - but he sounded liek a typical politician on the CBS sunday morning show.  When asked "Would you overturn the bill", he kept responding with "Obama has failed us..."

I mean, it's okay whtn a goofball message board debater uses "obama sucks" as every response - but we're giving this man the power to overturn existing presidential exec orders - HUGE power - and he straight up refuses to say what he'll revoke.  It's like buying 50 rocket launchers, and when the salesman asks what you're doing, you complain about how shitty the weather is.

Read this post and then read Gigantor's on the topic and it's abundantly clear that you sound like a moron.

I'll guess you milk this until June's employment numbers once again disappoint and then everyone besides you and your little crew of shithead lemmings goes back to worrying about what actually matters.


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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2012, 08:46:09 PM »
Creating a new class of quasi~citizens is not politically viable, whatever its merits.

Why not? It combines the best of both worlds: legally able to work and live in the United States without access to the bloated welfare state.

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Also, voter ID laws are handled at the state level. Thus, unless there was a concentrated effort to get every single state  to implement such laws - a herculean task almost certain to fail - a cluster of them (however large or small) will lack such laws. Predictably, immigrants will flock to such states, to the extent that they desire to be politically active.

I know. My point is that it should be done if people are truly worried about immigration and voter fraud.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2012, 08:47:48 PM »
One of Michelle Obama's appearances with the serfs last week required photo ID to enter. Michelle Obama is also against voter ID laws. You can't write that stuff.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2012, 08:46:42 AM »
Why not? It combines the best of both worlds: legally able to work and live in the United States without access to the bloated welfare state.

I know. My point is that it should be done if people are truly worried about immigration and voter fraud.

Maybe such a proposal  is in fact the best of both worlds, but this has no bearing on its political viability. There is no legal precedent for denying permanent, legal residents welfare benefits (the immigrants would become legal residents after amnesty was granted). We don't even allow those who want to get off the government dole (e.g., the Quakers) to do so; how much more likely is it that we will suddenly begin forcibly denying benefits to a particular class of residents? No legal precedent and extraordinary unpopularity will mean that it is a no-go.

Also, apparently the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act denies welfare benefits to illegals except in the case of emergencies. Add to this the fact that many illegals maintain their presence with a fake SSN, and they receive no SS benefits while still paying into the system (since many still get payed with checks). So I'm not sure the 'immigrants utilizing welfare' problem your proposal tries to address is actually that much of a problem after all.

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Re: Do you have a solution to illegal immigrants that could work?
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2012, 05:22:52 AM »
Poor attempt at trolling. Sad how far you've fallen....your path has mirrored DaddyWaddy's.

But anyways....


It starts with enforcement, it has to begin there. Any "solution" that doesn't start with enforcement of existing laws is simply a bribe for votes program and a sell-out of America.
on the other hand..
excellent post; funny and also true.
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