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« on: June 19, 2012, 04:46:37 AM »
 Romney’s top economic advisers last week painted a clear portrait of the policy initiative the Republican presidential hopeful plans to use to restore robust growth to the U.S. economy. In a phrase: more tax breaks for business.

 
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, one of the leaders of the Tea Party movement, and Glenn Hubbard, a Columbia University business professor and top economic adviser to the Romney campaign, said the former Massachusetts governor, if elected, would enact the same policies as those enacted by President Ronald Reagan shortly after he took office in 1981. “Particularly powerful are (Romney’s) proposals to reduce marginal tax rates on business income earned by corporate and unincorporated businesses alike,” the two advisers wrote. “His goal, like Reagan’s, is to make it profitable to invest in job creation.”

The two advisers accused President Obama of failing to understand business when he said the president’s job is “not simply to maximize profits.” They said, “Jobs are sustainable only when profits are sustainable….The American economy was built on the profits earned by serving consumers, and it will only be saved by earning profits.”


     
Gramm and Hubbard make an obvious point. Businesses that fail to make money not only don’t hire new employees, they dismiss workers when revenues fall. Business profits plummet in recessions and payrolls follow shortly thereafter.

But to suggest that President Obama has somehow held back business profitability during what has been a tepid recovery from the Great Recession simply ignores what is taking place on corporate balance sheets. According to an analysis by Moody’s Analytics for The Fiscal Times, profitability in non-financial firms surged in recent quarters to 15 percent, a level not seen since the late 1960s. 

 

The rating firm’s survey of the 1,100 non-financial companies it follows also found that they were sitting on cash hordes in excess of $1.24 trillion last December. Apple alone was sitting on nearly $100 billion. The entire corporate sector had over $2 trillion in cash.  Alas, robust hiring has not followed in the wake of surging profits. “Giving more tax breaks to corporations that are awash in cash is not going to lead to anything,” said Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist at Columbia University after serving as President Clinton’s chief economic adviser and top economist at the World Bank. “It’s a lack of demand that’s really impeding investment.”

Stiglitz is among the growing number of economists and business leaders who believe that lagging income, whether for people who already have jobs or those who are still un- or under-employed, has become the central problem facing the U.S. economy. Stagnant income explains why the rebound has failed to become self-sustaining, they say.

Mitt Romney’s top economic advisers last week painted a clear portrait of the policy initiative the Republican presidential hopeful plans to use to restore robust growth to the U.S. economy. In a phrase: more tax breaks for business.

 
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, one of the leaders of the Tea Party movement, and Glenn Hubbard, a Columbia University business professor and top economic adviser to the Romney campaign, said the former Massachusetts governor, if elected, would enact the same policies as those enacted by President Ronald Reagan shortly after he took office in 1981. “Particularly powerful are (Romney’s) proposals to reduce marginal tax rates on business income earned by corporate and unincorporated businesses alike,” the two advisers wrote. “His goal, like Reagan’s, is to make it profitable to invest in job creation.”

The two advisers accused President Obama of failing to understand business when he said the president’s job is “not simply to maximize profits.” They said, “Jobs are sustainable only when profits are sustainable….The American economy was built on the profits earned by serving consumers, and it will only be saved by earning profits.”

     
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Gramm and Hubbard make an obvious point. Businesses that fail to make money not only don’t hire new employees, they dismiss workers when revenues fall. Business profits plummet in recessions and payrolls follow shortly thereafter.

But to suggest that President Obama has somehow held back business profitability during what has been a tepid recovery from the Great Recession simply ignores what is taking place on corporate balance sheets. According to an analysis by Moody’s Analytics for The Fiscal Times, profitability in non-financial firms surged in recent quarters to 15 percent, a level not seen since the late 1960s. 

 

The rating firm’s survey of the 1,100 non-financial companies it follows also found that they were sitting on cash hordes in excess of $1.24 trillion last December. Apple alone was sitting on nearly $100 billion. The entire corporate sector had over $2 trillion in cash.  Alas, robust hiring has not followed in the wake of surging profits. “Giving more tax breaks to corporations that are awash in cash is not going to lead to anything,” said Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist at Columbia University after serving as President Clinton’s chief economic adviser and top economist at the World Bank. “It’s a lack of demand that’s really impeding investment.”

Stiglitz is among the growing number of economists and business leaders who believe that lagging income, whether for people who already have jobs or those who are still un- or under-employed, has become the central problem facing the U.S. economy. Stagnant income explains why the rebound has failed to become self-sustaining, they say.


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Millions of Americans who never lost their jobs during the downturn have gone years without a raise. Others remain on short hours. If self-employed, they find less work. Millions more, especially in the public sector, are seeing sharp cutbacks in their pensions and benefits, which leads them to cut back on discretionary spending. Most householders have seen declines in their home values and retirement accounts, triggering a negative “wealth effect” that also holds down spending.

Some political analysts have suggested last week’s Wisconsin recall election hinged on voters who are no longer willing to pay for public employee pensions and benefits they no longer enjoy. A third of union households voted for Gov. Scott Walker, the Republican candidate who became a national hero on the right by forcing public employees to pick up a larger share of their own benefits – something private sector employees have been doing for years. Public sector austerity – the other major plank in the Republican Party economic platform besides tax breaks for business and one they plan to enforce at the federal level – sounds like everyday life to them.
 
Liberal Democrats have tried to counter the politics of austerity and envy by focusing on income inequality. The Occupy Wall Street movement rhetorically pitted the one percent versus the 99 percent and emboldened Democratic politicians across the political spectrum to call for taxing the rich to help pay for needed public services like research and education.

New books such as Stiglitz’s The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future and New Republic writer Timothy Noah’s “The Great Divergence: America’s Great Inequality Crisis and What We Can Do About It” paint the income gap as the major roadblock to renewed prosperity. They also say it is undermining democracy.

The nation’s wealthiest citizens, unleashed by the Citizens United decision, are pouring enormous sums of cash into this year’s political campaigns. Last month, Romney outraised the president, the best campaign fundraiser the Democratic Party has ever known. “There is a connection between economic inequality and political inequality,” Stiglitz said.

However, focusing on income inequality is a tough sell in the U.S., which culturally imagines anyone can get rich with enough luck and pluck (even as recent surveys have shown that the U.S. now has the least social mobility among all advanced industrial nations, a sharp reversal of historical pattern that viewed Europe as “class bound”). Most Americans are willing to say, “live and let live” to the folks sailing in yachts when their own boats are rising.

So why aren’t all boats rising today? Not only is the income gap growing, but both the rich and poor are dividing a shrinking pie. Why? A growing share of income is going to the same corporate sector that Romney wants to shower with more tax breaks.  The share of all income going out in wages, salaries, dividends, interest and capital gains, which includes everyone’s pay from the chief executive officer to the lowly janitor, is declining as a share of national income and has been for over 30 years. According to the latest quarterly report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, employee compensation has fallen to 61.6 percent of total national income, down from 66.3 percent when Ronald Reagan took office.

Corporate profits as a share of total national income, on the other hand, have surged to 14.6 percent from 10.4 percent over the same time period." Lay that on top of the growing income gap  in the wage sector and what’s left is average employees scrapping over a smaller slice of a smaller pie. 

 

In such an environment, which is very different from when Ronald Reagan took office but one he helped to shape, Romney’s tax program is the exact opposite of what is needed. It also contradicts the wisdom first preached by one of America’s greatest business leaders. In another era, Henry Ford, after inventing the modern assembly line, recognized that he badly needed customers for the millions of cars that could roll out of his factories every year. So in 1914 he offered his employees the then unprecedented salary of $5 a day.

He “reasoned that since it was now possible to build inexpensive cars in volume, more of them could be sold if employees could afford to buy them,” the company noted in its official history. “The $5 day helped better the lot of all American workers and contributed to the emergence of the American middle class.” 

An increasing number of economists are echoing that sentiment for today’s environment. Aaron Smith, a senior economist at Moody’s Analytics, said, “What is clear going forward is that in the absence of debt and government support, we’re going to need the labor share to stop declining if consumers are to regain their prowess as drivers of the U.S. economy.”



Millions of Americans who never lost their jobs during the downturn have gone years without a raise. Others remain on short hours. If self-employed, they find less work. Millions more, especially in the public sector, are seeing sharp cutbacks in their pensions and benefits, which leads them to cut back on discretionary spending. Most householders have seen declines in their home values and retirement accounts, triggering a negative “wealth effect” that also holds down spending.

Some political analysts have suggested last week’s Wisconsin recall election hinged on voters who are no longer willing to pay for public employee pensions and benefits they no longer enjoy. A third of union households voted for Gov. Scott Walker, the Republican candidate who became a national hero on the right by forcing public employees to pick up a larger share of their own benefits – something private sector employees have been doing for years. Public sector austerity – the other major plank in the Republican Party economic platform besides tax breaks for business and one they plan to enforce at the federal level – sounds like everyday life to them.
 
Liberal Democrats have tried to counter the politics of austerity and envy by focusing on income inequality. The Occupy Wall Street movement rhetorically pitted the one percent versus the 99 percent and emboldened Democratic politicians across the political spectrum to call for taxing the rich to help pay for needed public services like research and education.

New books such as Stiglitz’s The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future and New Republic writer Timothy Noah’s “The Great Divergence: America’s Great Inequality Crisis and What We Can Do About It” paint the income gap as the major roadblock to renewed prosperity. They also say it is undermining democracy.

The nation’s wealthiest citizens, unleashed by the Citizens United decision, are pouring enormous sums of cash into this year’s political campaigns. Last month, Romney outraised the president, the best campaign fundraiser the Democratic Party has ever known. “There is a connection between economic inequality and political inequality,” Stiglitz said.

However, focusing on income inequality is a tough sell in the U.S., which culturally imagines anyone can get rich with enough luck and pluck (even as recent surveys have shown that the U.S. now has the least social mobility among all advanced industrial nations, a sharp reversal of historical pattern that viewed Europe as “class bound”). Most Americans are willing to say, “live and let live” to the folks sailing in yachts when their own boats are rising.

So why aren’t all boats rising today? Not only is the income gap growing, but both the rich and poor are dividing a shrinking pie. Why? A growing share of income is going to the same corporate sector that Romney wants to shower with more tax breaks.  The share of all income going out in wages, salaries, dividends, interest and capital gains, which includes everyone’s pay from the chief executive officer to the lowly janitor, is declining as a share of national income and has been for over 30 years. According to the latest quarterly report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, employee compensation has fallen to 61.6 percent of total national income, down from 66.3 percent when Ronald Reagan took office.

Corporate profits as a share of total national income, on the other hand, have surged to 14.6 percent from 10.4 percent over the same time period." Lay that on top of the growing income gap  in the wage sector and what’s left is average employees scrapping over a smaller slice of a smaller pie. 

 

In such an environment, which is very different from when Ronald Reagan took office but one he helped to shape, Romney’s tax program is the exact opposite of what is needed. It also contradicts the wisdom first preached by one of America’s greatest business leaders. In another era, Henry Ford, after inventing the modern assembly line, recognized that he badly needed customers for the millions of cars that could roll out of his factories every year. So in 1914 he offered his employees the then unprecedented salary of $5 a day.

He “reasoned that since it was now possible to build inexpensive cars in volume, more of them could be sold if employees could afford to buy them,” the company noted in its official history. “The $5 day helped better the lot of all American workers and contributed to the emergence of the American middle class.” 

An increasing number of economists are echoing that sentiment for today’s environment. Aaron Smith, a senior economist at Moody’s Analytics, said, “What is clear going forward is that in the absence of debt and government support, we’re going to need the labor share to stop declining if consumers are to regain their prowess as drivers of the U.S. economy.”


Mitt Romney’s top economic advisers last week painted a clear portrait of the policy initiative the Republican presidential hopeful plans to use to restore robust growth to the U.S. economy. In a phrase: more tax breaks for business.

 
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, one of the leaders of the Tea Party movement, and Glenn Hubbard, a Columbia University business professor and top economic adviser to the Romney campaign, said the former Massachusetts governor, if elected, would enact the same policies as those enacted by President Ronald Reagan shortly after he took office in 1981. “Particularly powerful are (Romney’s) proposals to reduce marginal tax rates on business income earned by corporate and unincorporated businesses alike,” the two advisers wrote. “His goal, like Reagan’s, is to make it profitable to invest in job creation.”

The two advisers accused President Obama of failing to understand business when he said the president’s job is “not simply to maximize profits.” They said, “Jobs are sustainable only when profits are sustainable….The American economy was built on the profits earned by serving consumers, and it will only be saved by earning profits.”

     
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Gramm and Hubbard make an obvious point. Businesses that fail to make money not only don’t hire new employees, they dismiss workers when revenues fall. Business profits plummet in recessions and payrolls follow shortly thereafter.

But to suggest that President Obama has somehow held back business profitability during what has been a tepid recovery from the Great Recession simply ignores what is taking place on corporate balance sheets. According to an analysis by Moody’s Analytics for The Fiscal Times, profitability in non-financial firms surged in recent quarters to 15 percent, a level not seen since the late 1960s. 

 

The rating firm’s survey of the 1,100 non-financial companies it follows also found that they were sitting on cash hordes in excess of $1.24 trillion last December. Apple alone was sitting on nearly $100 billion. The entire corporate sector had over $2 trillion in cash.  Alas, robust hiring has not followed in the wake of surging profits. “Giving more tax breaks to corporations that are awash in cash is not going to lead to anything,” said Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist at Columbia University after serving as President Clinton’s chief economic adviser and top economist at the World Bank. “It’s a lack of demand that’s really impeding investment.”

Stiglitz is among the growing number of economists and business leaders who believe that lagging income, whether for people who already have jobs or those who are still un- or under-employed, has become the central problem facing the U.S. economy. Stagnant income explains why the rebound has failed to become self-sustaining, they say.


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Millions of Americans who never lost their jobs during the downturn have gone years without a raise. Others remain on short hours. If self-employed, they find less work. Millions more, especially in the public sector, are seeing sharp cutbacks in their pensions and benefits, which leads them to cut back on discretionary spending. Most householders have seen declines in their home values and retirement accounts, triggering a negative “wealth effect” that also holds down spending.

Some political analysts have suggested last week’s Wisconsin recall election hinged on voters who are no longer willing to pay for public employee pensions and benefits they no longer enjoy. A third of union households voted for Gov. Scott Walker, the Republican candidate who became a national hero on the right by forcing public employees to pick up a larger share of their own benefits – something private sector employees have been doing for years. Public sector austerity – the other major plank in the Republican Party economic platform besides tax breaks for business and one they plan to enforce at the federal level – sounds like everyday life to them.
 
Liberal Democrats have tried to counter the politics of austerity and envy by focusing on income inequality. The Occupy Wall Street movement rhetorically pitted the one percent versus the 99 percent and emboldened Democratic politicians across the political spectrum to call for taxing the rich to help pay for needed public services like research and education.

New books such as Stiglitz’s The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future and New Republic writer Timothy Noah’s “The Great Divergence: America’s Great Inequality Crisis and What We Can Do About It” paint the income gap as the major roadblock to renewed prosperity. They also say it is undermining democracy.

The nation’s wealthiest citizens, unleashed by the Citizens United decision, are pouring enormous sums of cash into this year’s political campaigns. Last month, Romney outraised the president, the best campaign fundraiser the Democratic Party has ever known. “There is a connection between economic inequality and political inequality,” Stiglitz said.

However, focusing on income inequality is a tough sell in the U.S., which culturally imagines anyone can get rich with enough luck and pluck (even as recent surveys have shown that the U.S. now has the least social mobility among all advanced industrial nations, a sharp reversal of historical pattern that viewed Europe as “class bound”). Most Americans are willing to say, “live and let live” to the folks sailing in yachts when their own boats are rising.

So why aren’t all boats rising today? Not only is the income gap growing, but both the rich and poor are dividing a shrinking pie. Why? A growing share of income is going to the same corporate sector that Romney wants to shower with more tax breaks.  The share of all income going out in wages, salaries, dividends, interest and capital gains, which includes everyone’s pay from the chief executive officer to the lowly janitor, is declining as a share of national income and has been for over 30 years. According to the latest quarterly report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, employee compensation has fallen to 61.6 percent of total national income, down from 66.3 percent when Ronald Reagan took office.

Corporate profits as a share of total national income, on the other hand, have surged to 14.6 percent from 10.4 percent over the same time period." Lay that on top of the growing income gap  in the wage sector and what’s left is average employees scrapping over a smaller slice of a smaller pie. 

 

In such an environment, which is very different from when Ronald Reagan took office but one he helped to shape, Romney’s tax program is the exact opposite of what is needed. It also contradicts the wisdom first preached by one of America’s greatest business leaders. In another era, Henry Ford, after inventing the modern assembly line, recognized that he badly needed customers for the millions of cars that could roll out of his factories every year. So in 1914 he offered his employees the then unprecedented salary of $5 a day.

He “reasoned that since it was now possible to build inexpensive cars in volume, more of them could be sold if employees could afford to buy them,” the company noted in its official history. “The $5 day helped better the lot of all American workers and contributed to the emergence of the American middle class.” 

An increasing number of economists are echoing that sentiment for today’s environment. Aaron Smith, a senior economist at Moody’s Analytics, said, “What is clear going forward is that in the absence of debt and government support, we’re going to need the labor share to stop declining if consumers are to regain their prowess as drivers of the U.S. economy.”



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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 05:09:42 AM »
LOL.  As if what obama is doing now is working.    ::)  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 05:33:00 AM »
LOL.  As if what obama is doing now is working.    ::)  ::)

What a lame excuse for the spineless flip-flopper ::) How does the GOP dick taste?

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 05:37:33 AM »
I'd like to hear from getbiggers - Yes or NO - do you think this solution "more tax breaks for business." will solve america's economic problems?

Why do you think american millionaires (who have spend 12 years moving jobs overseas and putting their $ into precious metals and foreign currency baskets) are suddenly going to reverse course and invest in american manufacturing and other opportunities here?

PLEASE remember that Corporate profits as a share of total national income, on the other hand, have surged to 14.6 percent from 10.4 percent - their profits are up 4% (which is damn huge) and they're STILL moving jobs overseas.  You cut their taxes more, and their profits may go up another 4 percent - why do they suddenly change course and invest here?

I guess I just want to hear getbiggers say "yes, 240, I truly believe you give millionaires more breaks, and they'll reverse the trend and build factories IN THE USA".  Then tell me why.  Cause their profits have been up, they've had the bush cuts - and they did the opposite.  If I don't share my 4 pounds of cookies, do you really think I'm gonna share my 8 pounds of cookies?

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 05:38:56 AM »
I'd like to hear from getbiggers - Yes or NO - do you think this solution "more tax breaks for business." will solve america's economic problems?

Why do you think american millionaires (who have spend 12 years moving jobs overseas and putting their $ into precious metals and foreign currency baskets) are suddenly going to reverse course and invest in american manufacturing and other opportunities here?

PLEASE remember that Corporate profits as a share of total national income, on the other hand, have surged to 14.6 percent from 10.4 percent - their profits are up 4% (which is damn huge) and they're STILL moving jobs overseas.  You cut their taxes more, and their profits may go up another 4 percent - why do they suddenly change course and invest here?

I guess I just want to hear getbiggers say "yes, 240, I truly believe you give millionaires more breaks, and they'll reverse the trend and build factories IN THE USA".  Then tell me why.  Cause their profits have been up, they've had the bush cuts - and they did the opposite.  If I don't share my 4 pounds of cookies, do you really think I'm gonna share my 8 pounds of cookies?


You truly are a stupid person who deserves a refund for your MBA.  Do you know where those profits are being made and why they are not being brought home for growth and expansion and hiring?   


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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2012, 05:44:33 AM »

You truly are a stupid person who deserves a refund for your MBA.  Do you know where those profits are being made and why they are not being brought home for growth and expansion and hiring?   

I know investors are buying from goldline instaed of building factories here.  You know it too.

I just don't see how that's gonna change.  You've heard me say for years - Tax breaks galore for businesses and millionaires BUT only for those who invest in the US economy.  Build a factory here, enjoy a 50% tax break.  Move that shit to Asia, go suck a dick and pay full rate.

Do you like that position, 33?  HUGE breaks for whatever % of business you actually create HERE?

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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2012, 05:51:41 AM »
This local guy Glenn that I pay to mow my yard - HE deserves a tax break to buy a stronger mower and hire back his helper.  Hell yes.

Apple has 1.2 million workers in China alone.  I'm fine with my iPad costing an extra $50 and it being made in the usa, and I sure as hell don't think Apple needs these tax cuts.

Give them to hard working Americans and American firms that create jobs HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2012, 06:02:08 AM »
If your lawn boy deserves more money you could always pay him more and keep the money in the U.S. instead of giving it to Apple.

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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2012, 06:03:36 AM »
This local guy Glenn that I pay to mow my yard - HE deserves a tax break to buy a stronger mower and hire back his helper.  Hell yes.

Apple has 1.2 million workers in China alone.  I'm fine with my iPad costing an extra $50 and it being made in the usa, and I sure as hell don't think Apple needs these tax cuts.

Give them to hard working Americans and American firms that create jobs HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think anybody can disagree with this but thats not what Romney wants. His america is the rich and he doesnt give a fuck about the rest

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2012, 06:05:12 AM »
If your lawn boy deserves more money you could always pay him more and keep the money in the U.S. instead of giving it to Apple.

I give him a can of Coke when I see him, of course.

My point is that I agree with Romney that businesses need tax breaks - BUT - I don't like the idea of us shredding social security (which americans actually paid) so that Apple can add another million jobs in their China factory.

We should ONLY reward american firms who create the jobs HERE - and they should get HUGE breaks.  I'd be seriously fine with seeing what a year of ZERO TAX on many classes of business would have - Pay zero taxes on any employee you hire for one calendar year.  Watch business blossom.  But giving apple more $ to build a second plant in china?  To me, a bad idea.

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2012, 07:11:30 AM »
I'd like to hear from getbiggers - Yes or NO - do you think this solution "more tax breaks for business." will solve america's economic problems?

Why do you think american millionaires (who have spend 12 years moving jobs overseas and putting their $ into precious metals and foreign currency baskets) are suddenly going to reverse course and invest in american manufacturing and other opportunities here?

PLEASE remember that Corporate profits as a share of total national income, on the other hand, have surged to 14.6 percent from 10.4 percent - their profits are up 4% (which is damn huge) and they're STILL moving jobs overseas.  You cut their taxes more, and their profits may go up another 4 percent - why do they suddenly change course and invest here?

I guess I just want to hear getbiggers say "yes, 240, I truly believe you give millionaires more breaks, and they'll reverse the trend and build factories IN THE USA".  Then tell me why.  Cause their profits have been up, they've had the bush cuts - and they did the opposite.  If I don't share my 4 pounds of cookies, do you really think I'm gonna share my 8 pounds of cookies?

The corporate tax rate in the United States is much higher than the OECD average. This is a major incentive for the larger corporations who can afford it - the so-called multinational corporations - to move productivity elsewhere and thus retain more profits. Corporations are legally obligated to maximize profits and thus they are only acting rationally when they ship jobs overseas. Part of Romney's plan is to remove this rational incentive and thus (it is hoped) generate more investment stateside.

I don't pretend to be an economist besides my understanding of the basics and thus don't know whether this plan will work or not. In any case, the logic is clear and the proposal is plainly not designed only for the enrichment of the wealthy. Why are you attacking the plan when you've read nothing of it, nor even  (so it seems) a bullet-point summary of the specific proposals from a reputable source?

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2012, 08:21:48 AM »
All I know is that Romney will give Apple a tax cut - and they hired 1.2 million chinese workers using their bush tax cut savings$$$$$$$$$.

Until we stop rewarding these firms for moving jobs overseas, it'll continue.

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2012, 08:31:54 AM »
All I know is that Romney will give Apple a tax cut - and they hired 1.2 million chinese workers using their bush tax cut savings$$$$$$$$$.

Until we stop rewarding these firms for moving jobs overseas, it'll continue.
Apple tried to do the whole "built in America" thing.
They couldnt compete. Period. They had to move overseas to remain competitive.
Idiot.

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2012, 08:34:19 AM »
Apple tried to do the whole "built in America" thing.
They couldnt compete. Period. They had to move overseas to remain competitive.
Idiot.

then raise the tariffs to china - stop appeasing them.
spike taxes to american firms moving jobs overseas.
slash taxes to american firms KEEPING jobs here, or creating them here.

iPads will cost $600 instead of 450.... Crap from the dollar store will cost $1.25 instead of a dollar...

But our cousins and uncles and sisters will have jobs to go to.

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2012, 02:58:41 AM »
Apple tried to do the whole "built in America" thing.
They couldnt compete. Period. They had to move overseas to remain competitive.
Idiot.

So they destroyed the US economy in order to get even richer. Sounds like treason no?

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2012, 04:44:29 AM »
then raise the tariffs to china - stop appeasing them.
spike taxes to american firms moving jobs overseas.
slash taxes to american firms KEEPING jobs here, or creating them here.

iPads will cost $600 instead of 450.... Crap from the dollar store will cost $1.25 instead of a dollar...

But our cousins and uncles and sisters will have jobs to go to.
Yeah thats all well and good - but thats not what happened.

They couldnt remain competitive without moving their shit overseas - when it was costing them 100$ an hour labor here, and their competitors were paying 3$ an hour in China, for round the clock engineer's and workers living in the warehouse they work in... they simply couldnt remain competitive.

You can sit here and say "Well lets do this and that and this and Apple should still be here", fact is, Jobs was all about "American Made", and even he couldnt make it work. Apple isnt a good example, they stayed till they absolutley couldnt anymore.

We had our chance to do what youre saying and try and keep Apple here, but everyone always bitches about people pandering to the "evil corporations", so guess what? Away they went.

And this is coming from someone who hates Apple with a violent passion.


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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 05:12:59 AM »
Pretty funny that corporate profits are at an all time high then, huh?

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 05:18:48 AM »
Pretty funny that corporate profits are at an all time high then, huh?

No its not funny - its sad that pofs communists like obama refuse to deal with the actual problems and instead act like huge chavez and castro and prohibit improvement to the tax code and economic environment. 

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2012, 05:24:19 AM »
LOL.  As if what obama is doing now is working.    ::)  ::)
i'm doing fine.
better than the last two years of Shrub Bush.
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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2012, 05:36:26 AM »
i'm doing fine.
better than the last two years of Shrub Bush.

and the democrat congress run by reid pelosi remember? 

The entire economy and country went to hell when those two disgusting communist rats took over. 

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2012, 05:40:52 AM »
The corporate tax rate in the United States is much higher than the OECD average. This is a major incentive for the larger corporations who can afford it - the so-called multinational corporations - to move productivity elsewhere and thus retain more profits. Corporations are legally obligated to maximize profits and thus they are only acting rationally when they ship jobs overseas. Part of Romney's plan is to remove this rational incentive and thus (it is hoped) generate more investment stateside.

I don't pretend to be an economist besides my understanding of the basics and thus don't know whether this plan will work or not. In any case, the logic is clear and the proposal is plainly not designed only for the enrichment of the wealthy. Why are you attacking the plan when you've read nothing of it, nor even  (so it seems) a bullet-point summary of the specific proposals from a reputable source?

I enjoy your thoughts and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

And those "economists" that are "hammering" the jobs plan seem to have a strong history of Keynesian deeds. Fuck 'em.

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012, 05:48:13 AM »
and the democrat congress run by reid pelosi remember? 

The entire economy and country went to hell when those two disgusting communist rats took over. 

Is that what made america great under Reagan? The dem congress?

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2012, 05:51:41 AM »
No its not funny - its sad that pofs communists like obama refuse to deal with the actual problems and instead act like huge chavez and castro and prohibit improvement to the tax code and economic environment. 

Apparently this prohibitation of improvement on the tax code and economic environment has made coorporations richer than ever

If you are a capitalist you would be a fool not to vote Obama

Are you a commie who doesnt want businesses to make money 333386?

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2012, 05:52:35 AM »
Apparently this prohibitation of improvement on the tax code and economic environment has made coorporations richer than ever

If you are a capitalist you would be a fool not to vote Obama

Are you a commie who doesnt want businesses to make money 333386?

Where are they making their money jackass?

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Re: Romney’s ‘Jobs Plan’ Gets Hammered by Economists
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2012, 06:43:42 AM »
Where are they making their money jackass?

You mean geographically or ?