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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #150 on: June 25, 2012, 08:26:18 AM »
You know im going to destroy you on this now and make you withdraw from the thread.. (like i do on a daily basis with you)

First off. you said I was against water Boarding...Back that up. Find it. You wont, Because I dont give a shit about it.

Also, You call Killing Osama Bin Laden, Murder. Thats your business but its very telling. Politics over national Security, nice.

Now About the Obama drone thing. Do i need to post my stance again on this, you know where its going to go. Im not Pro Obama. Im pro Reason and Logic, which you are very opposed to. Once you start posting like a sensable logical member if American Society, i wont destroy you. Now... im going to write out my response to the "youre black so you like obama shit" (even though ive pubically came out against obama and for Ron Paul... like 90 times on here). I think ill have a cut and paste response to it so i dont have to keep typing it out... i swear.. like in real life, ive told you this maybe 100 times.



Apparently you neglected to read about Obama's 'Murder Tuesday" sesssions in the WH.

   

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2012, 08:46:06 AM »

Apparently you neglected to read about Obama's 'Murder Tuesday" sesssions in the WH.

   

great throrough response
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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #152 on: June 25, 2012, 08:47:12 AM »
Study: More Than Half a Trillion Dollars Spent on Welfare – But Poverty Levels Unaffected


“The vast majority of current programs are focused on making poverty more comfortable … rather than giving people the tools that will help them escape poverty.”

By Matt Cover

June 25, 2012






More than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty despite unprecedented federal welfare spending, the study finds. (AP Photo/J Pat Carter, File)
 
(CNSNews.com) – The government is not making much headway reducing poverty despite spending hundreds of billions of dollars, according to a study by the libertarian Cato Institute.
 
Despite an unprecedented increase in federal anti-poverty spending the national poverty rate has not declined, it finds.
 
ince President Obama took office, federal welfare spending has increased by 41 percent, more than $193 billion per year.” the study says.
 
Federal welfare spending this year now totals $668 billion, spread out over 126 programs, while the poverty rate that remains stubbornly high at nearly 15 percent – roughly where it was in 1965, when President Johnson declared a federal War on Poverty.


While the study concedes that some of the increased spending under Obama is a result of the recession and the counter-cyclical nature of anti-poverty programs, it also finds that some of the increase is deliberate, with the government having expanded eligibility for welfare programs.
 
“But the dramat­ically larger increase also suggests that part of the program’s growth is due to conscious policy choices by this administration to ease eligibility rules and expand caseloads,” the Cato report says. “For example, income limits for eligibility have risen twice as fast as inflation since 2007 and are now roughly 10 percent higher than they were when Obama took office.”
 
In fact, the study points out that according to the administration’s own projections, federal welfare spending is unlikely to decline even after the economy recovers – further evidence that not all of the increase in spending is recession-related.
 
“All this spending has not bought an ap­preciable reduction in poverty,” the study says. “[T]he poverty rate has remained relatively constant since 1965, despite rising welfare spending.”
 
The study faults the way poverty programs are designed, saying that the increase in spending and largely unchanged poverty rate showed that the issue is not a matter of money, but a matter of what the programs aim to achieve.
 
“The vast majority of current programs are focused on making poverty more comfortable – giv­ing poor people more food, better shelter, health care, and so forth – rather than giving people the tools that will help them escape poverty.”
 
Instead, the study recommends refocusing anti-poverty efforts on keeping people in school, discouraging out-of-wedlock births, and encouraging people to get a job – even if that job is a low-wage one.
 
“It would make sense therefore to shift our anti-poverty efforts from government programs that simply provide money or goods and services to those who are living in poverty to efforts to create the condi­tions and incentives that will make it eas­ier for people to escape poverty.


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/study-more-half-trillion-dollars-spent-welfare-poverty-levels-unaffected


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You idiot obama cultists call this a success?  Well . . . . . .  I guess if collapsing America is your goal, then yes, Obama is doing well.  

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #153 on: June 25, 2012, 08:48:23 AM »
great throrough response
Fucking Child  ::)


The things obama voters are cheering on are the things they trashed Bush for.   

 

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #154 on: June 25, 2012, 08:53:42 AM »

The things obama voters are cheering on are the things they trashed Bush for.   

 

Say that. But dont call me an Obamadrone because i dont suscribe to your idiotic ass posts

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #155 on: June 25, 2012, 09:41:26 AM »
The conversation has reached its peak if you are unable to recognize facts. The facts must regulate our discourse: we can't just assert whatever fits our worldview, ignoring reality all the while (actually, you can, but then you'll be in here by yourself and 3333 pretty quickly). For example, if the facts indicate that the MB is a disaster for Egypt and US security interests, then I will concede the point to 3333.

You stated that businesses are afraid to grow (presumably because of some policy or other of Obama's). I cited the WSJ poll indicating that expert opinion on the matter is that hiring/lending is stagnant due to weak demand, not uncertainty over government policy. So what you say is exactly the opposite of what the evidence indicates. Therefore it isn't justifiably called "factual."

Saying 'this is the way it is' when it comes to evaluating presidents does nothing to advance the conversation. Maybe a majority of people do use the 'am I better off now' method. What we need to figure out is, should they? Should presidents be held accountable for things they have literally no influence over? I'm more interested in objectively analyzing performance in office, not pretending the POTUS is a football coach. If you need to think in these terms and you want to praise/blame a POTUS for virtually everything as if he has magical powers, then go right ahead. Just don't pretend that such simplistic thinking is indicative of reality.

The facts must regulate our discourse?  What the heck?  lol  Are you American?  (Serious question.)  

Here is what you said:  

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Sorry to burst everyone's bubbles around here, but by objective standards Obama has been a successful POTUS and a far more competent one than his predecessor. The primary such standard is the amount of legislation proposed/passed/implemented, a value that makes Obama far above average.


That's not only wrong, it's nonsensical and illogical, as I already explained.  (Go back and read my explanation about why it makes no sense.)  

In addition to the undisputed facts I listed about the state of the economy and poll numbers, 33 posted a number of things that explain why Obama has been an abject failure.  You should dispute those facts, if you can.  

Speaking of additional facts, at least 61 percent of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.  That's a report card on the Obama Administration.  

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #156 on: June 25, 2012, 10:02:53 AM »
The conversation has reached its peak if you are unable to recognize facts. The facts must regulate our discourse: we can't just assert whatever fits our worldview, ignoring reality all the while (actually, you can, but then you'll be in here by yourself and 3333 pretty quickly). For example, if the facts indicate that the MB is a disaster for Egypt and US security interests, then I will concede the point to 3333.

You stated that businesses are afraid to grow (presumably because of some policy or other of Obama's). I cited the WSJ poll indicating that expert opinion on the matter is that hiring/lending is stagnant due to weak demand, not uncertainty over government policy. So what you say is exactly the opposite of what the evidence indicates. Therefore it isn't justifiably called "factual."

Saying 'this is the way it is' when it comes to evaluating presidents does nothing to advance the conversation. Maybe a majority of people do use the 'am I better off now' method. What we need to figure out is, should they? Should presidents be held accountable for things they have literally no influence over? I'm more interested in objectively analyzing performance in office, not pretending the POTUS is a football coach. If you need to think in these terms and you want to praise/blame a POTUS for virtually everything as if he has magical powers, then go right ahead. Just don't pretend that such simplistic thinking is indicative of reality.

I think everything you have written about is factual.......as for Egypt..the jury is still out....HOWEVER.....if the goal was to give Egypt democracy, THEN IT HAS ALREADY BEEN A ROUSING SUCCESS......Egypt ACTUALLY had a presidential election.....just because A muslim candidate won is of no consequence as of yet..ALL OF THE CANDIDATES WERE MUSLIM IN SOME WAY

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #157 on: June 25, 2012, 10:06:12 AM »
I think everything you have written about is factual.......as for Egypt..the jury is still out....HOWEVER.....if the goal was to give Egypt democracy, THEN IT HAS ALREADY BEEN A ROUSING SUCCESS......Egypt ACTUALLY had a presidential election.....just because A muslim candidate won is of no consequence as of yet..ALL OF THE CANDIDATES WERE MUSLIM IN SOME WAY

Ha ha ha ha!!!!!   

Dear God are you fucked up   

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #158 on: June 25, 2012, 10:09:21 AM »
Ha ha ha ha!!!!!   

Dear God are you fucked up   

as you are an intellectual misfit, I don't expect you to understand reasonable and rational thought.....you still throw around the word "communist"..to your detractors, a term NO ONE uses anymore...

this proves your mind is at least 30 years in the past

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #159 on: June 25, 2012, 10:12:53 AM »
as you are an intellectual misfit, I don't expect you to understand reasonable and rational thought.....you still throw around the word "communist"..to your detractors, a term NO ONE uses anymore...

this proves your mind is at least 30 years in the past

Obama forced mubarack out and we got the MB - FAIL 

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #160 on: June 25, 2012, 10:16:40 AM »
Obama forced mubarack out and we got the MB - FAIL 

Don't you see it was time for Mubarak to go???......don't you think the US learned its lessons when they tried to back the Shah of Iran even after the people wanted him gone???..look at what happened there....

if Egypt wants the Muslim Brotherhood, thats their business.........we gave them democracy...we did our job....what did you want us to do?..rig the election too???

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #161 on: June 25, 2012, 10:19:00 AM »
Don't you see it was time for Mubarak to go???......don't you think the US learned its lessons when they tried to back the Shah of Iran even after the people wanted him gone???..look at what happened there....

if Egypt wants the Muslim Brotherhood, thats their business.........we gave them democracy...we did our job....what did you want us to do?..rig the election too???

We handed the country over to the crazies you dope. 

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #162 on: June 25, 2012, 10:21:25 AM »
We handed the country over to the crazies you dope.  

Mubarak made his country crazy already..by not reforming or stepping down years ago..you overestimate the influence the U.S. has over there..you are so insane about blaming Obama for everything that you are irrational;.

a shame

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #163 on: June 25, 2012, 10:24:10 AM »
Mubarak made his country crazy already..by not reforming or stepping down years ago..you overestimate the influence the U.S. has over there..you are so insane about blaming Obama for everything that you are irrational;.

a shame

you were in tears cry like a baby over obamas handling of this remember? 


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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #164 on: June 25, 2012, 11:04:04 AM »
Obama forced mubarack out and we got the MB - FAIL 

so the people didnt want him out? when i see the people.. im not talking about you or other americans . Im referring to EGYPTIAN citizens

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #165 on: June 25, 2012, 11:09:55 AM »
so the people didnt want him out? when i see the people.. im not talking about you or other americans . Im referring to EGYPTIAN citizens

 ::)  ::) 

Obama forced him out and gave them 200 million remember? 


So when obama forces mubarak out and the people are in the streets - obama did great blah blah blah. 

But when the MB takes over - like many of us predicted - its not obama's fault.   


Got it.   ::)  ::)  ::)


Typical

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #166 on: June 25, 2012, 11:37:13 AM »
::)  ::) 

Obama forced him out and gave them 200 million remember? 


So when obama forces mubarak out and the people are in the streets - obama did great blah blah blah. 

But when the MB takes over - like many of us predicted - its not obama's fault.   


Got it.   ::)  ::)  ::)


Typical

Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity all predicted this would happen, well over a year ago. Yet, all the brilliant progressives (Maddow, Maher, et. al) laughed at that happening.

Imagine that.

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #167 on: June 25, 2012, 11:44:48 AM »
So wheres the beef... that the MB is  in control. What does that mean?

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #168 on: June 25, 2012, 11:46:07 AM »
Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity all predicted this would happen, well over a year ago. Yet, all the brilliant progressives (Maddow, Maher, et. al) laughed at that happening.

Imagine that.

But, hey. That's a Rhodes scholar you got there. They went to the best schools. Surely, that means they have common sense on their side.

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #169 on: June 25, 2012, 11:47:30 AM »
So wheres the beef... that the MB is  in control. What does that mean?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/9353445/Egypts-hopes-betrayed.html



Pity those liberal, secularist Egyptians who drove the revolution that ousted Hosni Mubarak 16 months ago. Like a nut, they have been cracked between the military, who have dominated the country for the past 60 years, and the Muslim Brotherhood, who claim to be moderate, but whose ultimate goal remains the imposition of sharia.
 

Yesterday’s announcement of Mohammed Morsi’s victory in the presidential election results from a deal between the Freedom and Justice Party, the Brotherhood’s political arm, and the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. Under it, the military will control internal security, defence and foreign policy, leaving domestic matters largely in Mr Morsi’s hands. For the moderates, this means the threat of repression on one hand and Islamicisation on the other.

At least the Brotherhood have a legitimate claim to power, after winning both parliamentary and presidential elections. By contrast, the military – in conjunction with the supreme court – has done all it can to retain its authority. On June 14, the court ruled that the electoral law was unconstitutional and that parliament, elected last year, should be dissolved. The SCAF then arrogated to themselves the right to legislate, and to select the body producing the new constitution.
 

The best that can be expected is that the rival ambitions of the two sides will ensure mutual constraint. But the reversal of the timetable for democratic transition by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces is more likely to produce bitter frustration and possibly chaos, with competing centres of power strangling desperately needed attempts to revive Egypt’s economy. Whatever happens, the hopes raised by those heady weeks in Tahrir Square have been cruelly betrayed.


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Just like many of us warned.


They quick easy way to figure out something will turn out is look what obama thinks on it and believe the exact opposite.   It never fails.  If obama is for it - it sucks and will result on collapse.   If Obama is against it - its good for the country.    

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #170 on: June 25, 2012, 11:47:41 AM »
So wheres the beef... that the MB is  in control. What does that mean?

It means they're going full bore to blast Israel to bits, with us next in line. That could also mean, once stuff starts jumping off, a SPIKE in gas prices. Not to mention, murdering of Coptic Christians, women, and, darn near anyone else who doesn't feel like bowing before Allah.

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #171 on: June 25, 2012, 11:49:00 AM »
It means they're going full bore to blast Israel to bits, with us next in line. That could also mean, once stuff starts jumping off, a SPIKE in gas prices. Not to mention, murdering of Coptic Christians, women, and, darn near anyone else who doesn't feel like bowing before Allah.

So long as Obama steers clear from the horrible results of his policies and actions, obama voters don't give a damn what happens.   

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #172 on: June 25, 2012, 12:23:24 PM »
It means they're going full bore to blast Israel to bits, with us next in line.

You really think that Egypt will attack Israel - which has nuclear weapons and will not hesitate to use them? And that they will, after they "blast Israel to bits", attack the United States? Are you delusional?


That could also mean, once stuff starts jumping off, a SPIKE in gas prices.

Gas prices spike when someone in the region gets a bad case of gas after eating hummus. Not to mention that a spike in gas, coupled with a perception of long-term disruptions or uncertainty, is likely to spur innovation and make other techniques (deep-sea drilling, off-coast drilling, fracking, shale oil extraction, drilling in ANWR) more economically lucrative.


Not to mention, murdering of Coptic Christians, women, and, darn near anyone else who doesn't feel like bowing before Allah.

If they do that, then why should that be my concern?

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #173 on: June 25, 2012, 12:25:48 PM »
You really think that Egypt will attack Israel - which has nuclear weapons and will not hesitate to use them? And that they will, after they "blast Israel to bits", attack the United States? Are you delusional?


Gas prices spike when someone in the region gets a bad case of gas after eating hummus. Not to mention that a spike in gas, coupled with a perception of long-term disruptions or uncertainty, is likely to spur innovation and make other techniques (deep-sea drilling, off-coast drilling, fracking, shale oil extraction, drilling in ANWR) more economically lucrative.


If they do that, then why should that be my concern?

I do fully expect antiquities to be destroyed by the islamic filth like they did to that Buddhist carving a few years ago.  Islamic savages have zero regard for anything but their blood lust.     

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Re: Obama has been a successful POTUS
« Reply #174 on: June 25, 2012, 12:33:59 PM »
Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity all predicted this would happen, well over a year ago. Yet, all the brilliant progressives (Maddow, Maher, et. al) laughed at that happening.

Imagine that.

I think you are actually imagining that

I don't recall Maddor or Maher laughing about the possibility of the Muslim Brotherhood getting in power

If you have some proof of your claim feel free to post it or we can assume this is just your imagination