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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #175 on: June 25, 2012, 03:32:14 PM »
So your issue isn't with floor presses, per se, but with Coach, whom you seem to loathe for selling his personal training business.

It's reppingfor20. His knowledge of training is as clear as his knowledge of politics.

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #176 on: June 25, 2012, 03:35:32 PM »
dumb, just buy a bench
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Is it me or is the training knowledge not go above basic bodybuilding with machines a thong and oil?

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #177 on: June 25, 2012, 03:54:22 PM »
Fails at activating as many motor neurons as possible in the muscle, versus full ROM. Full ROM lifting activates more motor neurons than shortened ROM.

The point of lifting is to activate motor neurons, and recruit fibers. Recruiting as many fibers (all or nothing principle) as possible provides greatest stimulus across the muscle, providing greatest potential for hypertrophy. It's also superior for strength athletes who depend on the ability to maximally recruit all motor neurons on a 1RM lift to ensure success on a lift.

Sometimes you want specific motor neurons activated (working around injury, addressing weakness, other...), and that's where ROM-compromised lifts serve a purpose (like floor presses). But most of the time, you probably don't want a shortened ROM.

Too much time spent lifting in a shortened ROM can actually also potentiate injury. A less flexible muscle has a naturally shortened everyday ROM, and is more prone to tears. You can get around this with more flexibility training (i.e. stretching, yoga, deep tissue massage (no t-bombz), and active release and foam rolling). And with pre-workout activation work. 


sorry, not correct. the neurons are recruited in response to the effort required- which is partly learning the movement and the rest in total effort (intensity).
full ROM has nothing to do with recruitment. The only reason why additional neurological activity would occur would be due to more muscle groups being involved...other than the focus, or target group. For the target group, the ROM and motor activity are not related (at least for half to 2/3 reps (im pre empting those clowns who try to argue about 1/10th reps )).

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #178 on: June 25, 2012, 04:01:28 PM »
So your issue isn't with floor presses, per se, but with Coach, whom you seem to loathe for selling his personal training business.

I have nothing against Coach personally. I just previously stated at some point, days ago, that the methods in his videos are presented in an overly complicated way to make his services "seem" unique, when in reality, they are nothing unique.

I don't blame him for trying to make a living.

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #179 on: June 25, 2012, 04:03:35 PM »
It's reppingfor20. His knowledge of training is as clear as his knowledge of politics.

Is it  not possible for anyone to see the gimmicktry in your videos?

Please understand.

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #180 on: June 25, 2012, 04:58:13 PM »
will be doing some of these with a heavy barbell tomorrow
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #181 on: June 25, 2012, 05:41:57 PM »
will be doing some of these with a heavy barbell tomorrow
Word to the wise, do them in a cage with the safetys set.

PS: Will you be doing these before or after you inject?  :D
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #182 on: June 25, 2012, 05:44:29 PM »
Word to the wise, do them in a cage with the safetys set.

PS: Will you be doing these before or after you inject?  :D

i was planning to do them off the edge of  bench while lying on the floor....

never done that and never will... dont need to
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #183 on: June 26, 2012, 06:30:16 AM »
Alright Disco, you got me stumped here. You're a smart guy who's opinion I respect, so let's talk.

Motor unit recruitment enjoys a causative relationship with intensity. The more intense the activity, the greater the MUR, the greater the force generated by the fibers ascribed to the MU. Recent meta-analysis of the research has shown that intensity, and not necessarily load, are primary directors of MRU. Research has shown that a muscle will recruit the same MU's whether the load lifted is a set of 2 reps with a 2RM, or a set of 12 reps with a 12RM.

We know that a full ROM exercise is more intense (i.e. requires more effort) to move the same load vs a shortened ROM exercise. In other words, it's common knowledge we can do lock outs easier than full ROM bench presses, if resistance is same. Makes sense.

So, if full ROM exercises are more intense than shortened ROM exercises, wouldn't they recruit more MU across a muscle body than a shortened ROM?

I'm not telling here...I'm asking you. I've tried to find research on MU recruitment with shortened vs full ROM exercises, and haven't really found any. I'm not a neurobiologist, so I probably haven't looked in the right places.

I guess what I'm asking here is, set me straight if I'm wrong with some proof. I'd rather know the truth than argue a stupid position on the internet (if in fact my position is stupid).

Thanks man,
Talk about making working out complicated.... ::) :-\ :P
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #184 on: June 26, 2012, 06:52:13 AM »
Easy big guy.

My workouts are as boiled down as anyone else's.

I just like doing the research for fun. Wasn't asking you anyways. Probably should have sent this in a PM then.

Relax tiger, no reason to get all uppity about not understanding partial ROM vs full ROM.
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #185 on: June 26, 2012, 09:21:36 AM »
You got it there champ, no uppitiness up in this bizzatch.

No need to go on the offensive with slams. Save it for kids on this board who care what you think about them. You do your thing, I'll do mine.
Offensive slams ???

Someone's a little hypersensitive. :D
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #186 on: June 26, 2012, 09:33:46 AM »
Offensive slams ???

Someone's a little hypersensitive. :D

Sensitive?  Someone taps on the box, and you pop right out. 



Convict.  ::)

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #187 on: June 26, 2012, 10:04:28 AM »
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #188 on: June 26, 2012, 10:11:05 AM »
This fucking debates still going on ???

Just fucking lift!!!  :D

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #189 on: June 26, 2012, 11:02:01 AM »
Sensitive?  Someone taps on the box, and you pop right out. 



Convict.  ::)

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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #190 on: June 26, 2012, 12:41:24 PM »
This fucking debates still going on ???

Just fucking lift!!!  :D

Exactly. Lift weight, stress the muscles with a variety of different methods. Eat. Rest. Repeat consistantly.


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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #191 on: June 26, 2012, 12:50:27 PM »
did some board presses last in my chest workout today.... felt good.....  hit tris and felt it in the upper chest
i wanted to do floor presses but whenever i do something diff in my gym people just stare....
@coach or chaos etc...
are board presses a lot different to board presses?
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #192 on: June 26, 2012, 01:00:25 PM »
did some board presses last in my chest workout today.... felt good.....  hit tris and felt it in the upper chest
i wanted to do floor presses but whenever i do something diff in my gym people just stare....
@coach or chaos etc...
are board presses a lot different to board presses?
Im assuming the last line is asking about board press vs floor presses, yes they are different, board presses still touch the chest via the board, floor presses do not.
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #193 on: June 26, 2012, 01:09:34 PM »
Im assuming the last line is asking about board press vs floor presses, yes they are different, board presses still touch the chest via the board, floor presses do not.
i was using a 6 inch board
Ok and which is harder?....
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #194 on: June 26, 2012, 01:40:21 PM »
i was using a 6 inch board
Ok and which is harder?....
6" deep? Too tall, try 2 or 4". I think floor presses or rack lockouts are harder because you start from the bottom of each rep with dead weight. Makes a huge difference.
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #195 on: June 26, 2012, 01:58:03 PM »
6" deep? Too tall, try 2 or 4". I think floor presses or rack lockouts are harder because you start from the bottom of each rep with dead weight. Makes a huge difference.
Long arms....
Ill give floor presses a try
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #196 on: June 26, 2012, 05:20:06 PM »
Long arms....
Ill give floor presses a try
??? If the bar touches your chest on a normal bench a 2 or 4" board press should be no problem regardless of arm length.

Try what that whiner snx said also, I like to set the pins so my elbows are at 90 then press off the pins in the rack.
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #197 on: June 26, 2012, 05:45:54 PM »
to be fair looking i think it was about 4 inches... two 2 inch pieces of wood together....
... will try the rack press.... and.. floor press..
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #198 on: June 26, 2012, 07:38:57 PM »
to be fair looking i think it was about 4 inches... two 2 inch pieces of wood together....
... will try the rack press.... and.. floor press..

That's a good height for the boards, I like the rack press better as the floor press tends to leave red marks all over my back and my triceps get smashed on the floor. :(
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Re: Dumbbell Floor Press Good Exercise Or Not?
« Reply #199 on: June 28, 2012, 05:48:09 AM »
3 2x4's screwed togetheor is the perfect height.  Attach a strap to it.  Otherwise it ight move on yoo.

No never moved I didn't do loads of reps it was in the end of my chest workout the last excersise
So I was only doing 4 reps max
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