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Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« on: June 23, 2012, 10:19:22 AM »
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Mitt Romney, A/K/A The “Outsourcer-In-Chief”
June 22nd, 2012 7:02 pm
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The Obama campaign just acquired a truckload of ammunition to shred the Romney-as-job-creator narrative. The Washington Post reported on Friday that Bain Capital, Romney’s private equity firm, poured investments into firms that specialized in outsourcing American jobs.
 
“During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain (…) ” the report says, “it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components.”
 
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Bain’s foray into outsourcing began in 1993 when the private equity firm took a stake in Corporate Software Inc., or CSI, after helping to finance a $93 million buyout of the firm. CSI, which catered to technology companies like Microsoft, provided a range of services including outsourcing of customer support. Initially, CSI employed U.S. workers to provide these services but by the mid-1990s was setting up call centers outside the country.

The Obama campaign has fully embraced the report, predicting that Romney would be an “outsourcer-in-chief”. By focusing on his record as a businessman and claiming to have created thousands of jobs, Romney invited scrutiny into his time at Bain Capital — and enabled the Obama Administration to make the campaign about Romney’s record, even though he’s not currently in office. By zeroing in on the semantics of “offshoring” versus “outsourcing”—and ignoring Bain-backed companies that pioneered outsourcing of jobs—the Romney campaign unwittingly revealed a weak point.

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 10:39:19 AM »
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/sorry-washington-post-romney-didnt-get-rich-moving-u-s-jobs-overseas/

Sorry, Washington Post, Romney didn’t get rich moving U.S. jobs overseas
James Pethokoukis | June 22, 2012, 5:18 pm

In what is meant to be a bombshell political story, the Washington Post is attempting to paint Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney as a private equity boss who got rich by shipping American jobs overseas.

But the WaPo seems more than a little fuzzy about the basics of how international business works — and the difference between outsourcing and offshoring.

Or maybe this was a story just too politically juicy to properly check.

But whatever the reason, WaPo World’s version of Romney’s business career at Bain Capital may not correspond with reality, via a source familiar with Bain’s activities as well as a detailed analysis of the piece.

1. WaPoWorld:

Bain’s foray into outsourcing began in 1993 when the private equity firm took a stake in Corporate Software Inc., or CSI, after helping to finance a $93 million buyout of the firm. CSI, which catered to technology companies like Microsoft, provided a range of services including outsourcing of customer support. Initially, CSI employed U.S. workers to provide these services but by the mid-1990s was setting up call centers outside the

Romney Reality: What CSI actually did was provide U.S. software developers with technical support and sales. Example: It provided domestic outsourcing — which is different than overseas offshoring — for call centers and help desks. As far as its international business goes, CSI was reseller of U.S. software in European markets. In other words, they helped distribute U.S. software around the world.

2. WaPoWorld:

Two years after Bain invested in the firm, CSI merged with another enterprise to form a new company called Stream International Inc. Stream immediately became active in the growing field of overseas calls centers. … By 1997, Stream was running three tech-support call centers in Europe and was part of a call center joint venture in Japan, an SEC filing shows. … Stream continued to expand its overseas call centers. And Bain’s role also grew with time. It ultimately became the majority shareholder in Stream in 1999 several months after Romney left Bain to run the Salt Lake City Olympics. … Bain sold its stake in Stream in 2001, after the company further expanded its call center operations across Europe and Asia.

Romney Reality: Those overseas call centers in the WaPo story were based in Europe and Japan, and serviced international customers of U.S. companies in their local languages.

3. WaPo World:

The corporate merger that created Stream also gave birth to another, related business known as Modus Media Inc., which specialized in helping companies outsource their manufacturing. Modus Media was a subsidiary of Stream that became an independent company in early 1998. Bain was the largest shareholder, SEC filings show. …  In December 1997, it announced it had contracted with Microsoft to produce software and training products at a center in Australia. Modus Media said it was already serving Microsoft from Asian locations in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan and in Europe and the United States. …

Two years later, Modus Media told the SEC it was performing outsource packaging and hardware assembly for IBM, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Computer Corp. The filing disclosed that Modus had operations on four continents, including Asian facilities in Singapore, Taiwan, China and South Korea, and European facilities in Ireland and France, and a center in Australia. …

Romney Reality: Again, what Modus Media did was help companies like Microsoft and IBM sell their products internationally. Products destined for American consumers were manufactured here at home.

4. WaPo World:

One of those was a California bicycle manufacturer called GT Bicycle Inc. that Bain bought in 1993. The growing company relied on Asian labor, according to SEC filings. Two years later, with the company continuing to expand, Bain helped take it public. In 1998, when Bain owned 22 percent of GT’s stock and had three members on the board, the bicycle maker was sold to Schwinn, which had also moved much of its manufacturing offshore as part of a wider trend in the bicycle industry of turning to Chinese labor.

Romney Reality: This WaPo charge is particularly weak. Turns out GT Bicycles had overseas suppliers before Bain invested in the company. The story doesn’t outright suggest Bain moved jobs overseas, but it does lead readers to make that erroneous leap for themselves.

5. WaPo World:

Another Bain investment was electronics manufacturer SMTC Corp. In June 1998, during Romney’s last year at Bain, his private equity firm acquired a Colorado manufacturer that specialized in the assembly of printed circuit boards. That was one of several preliminary steps in 1998 that would culminate in a corporate merger a year later, five months after Romney left Bain. In July 1999, the Colorado firm acquired SMTC Corp., SEC filings show. Bain became the largest shareholder of SMTC and held three seats on its corporate board. Within a year of Bain taking over, SMTC told the SEC it was expanding production in Ireland and Mexico.

Romney Reality: As the story notes, SMTC wasn’t even acquired until months after Romney left Bain Capital. Is Romney running for president or is Bain?

6. WaPo World:

Just as Romney was ending his tenure at Bain, it reached the culmination of negotiations with Hyundai Electronics Industry of South Korea for the $550 million purchase of its U.S. subsidiary, Chippac, which manufactured, tested and packaged computer chips in Asia. The deal was announced a month after Romney left Bain. Reports filed with the SEC in late 1999 showed that Chippac had plants in South Korea and China and was responsible for marketing and supplying the company’s Asian-made computer chips. An overwhelming majority of Chippac’s customers were U.S. firms, including Intel, IBM and Lucent Technologies.

Romney Reality: Stop the presses! Chippac was purchased in March 1999, a month after Romney left Bain Capital. Prior owner was Hyundai, a South Korean company that already had factories in Asia at the time of sale. So buying a company with foreign factories is the same, apparently, as “shipping jobs overseas,” according to the Washington Post.

And that’s it. That’s the big story that’s supposed to derail Romney campaign, I guess. Instead of the headline “Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas, ” perhaps the WaPoheadline should have been something different.

Some more accurate options:

– “Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that expanded overseas jobs overseas after he left”

– ”Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that had international employees before it bought them”

– “Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that created foreign call centers to deal with foreign customers”

And it’s also just bad economics to suggest offshoring is necessarily a job killer. As this study suggests, “Increased globalisation of manufacturing processes does not necessarily imply a hollowing-out of domestic production … Firms that go abroad expand employment at home relative to non-globalizers.”

Bad reporting, it would seem, and bad economics, absolutely, from The Washington Post.

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 12:19:45 PM »
 :).  This has been debunked a few times already.  But good job 180 parotting obama talking points.

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 03:44:40 PM »
:).  This has been debunked a few times already.  But good job 180 parotting obama talking points.

More left-wing desperation. Of course, the usual TK suspects are popping up threads like mushrooms, about this mess.

Ask them to defend Obama's record and why he should get another 4 years (8% unemployment for 41 months straight and 9% unemployment for 33 months).....CRICKETS!!!

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 03:45:24 PM »
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/06/sorry-washington-post-romney-didnt-get-rich-moving-u-s-jobs-overseas/

Sorry, Washington Post, Romney didn’t get rich moving U.S. jobs overseas
James Pethokoukis | June 22, 2012, 5:18 pm

In what is meant to be a bombshell political story, the Washington Post is attempting to paint Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney as a private equity boss who got rich by shipping American jobs overseas.

But the WaPo seems more than a little fuzzy about the basics of how international business works — and the difference between outsourcing and offshoring.

Or maybe this was a story just too politically juicy to properly check.

But whatever the reason, WaPo World’s version of Romney’s business career at Bain Capital may not correspond with reality, via a source familiar with Bain’s activities as well as a detailed analysis of the piece.

1. WaPoWorld:

Bain’s foray into outsourcing began in 1993 when the private equity firm took a stake in Corporate Software Inc., or CSI, after helping to finance a $93 million buyout of the firm. CSI, which catered to technology companies like Microsoft, provided a range of services including outsourcing of customer support. Initially, CSI employed U.S. workers to provide these services but by the mid-1990s was setting up call centers outside the

Romney Reality: What CSI actually did was provide U.S. software developers with technical support and sales. Example: It provided domestic outsourcing — which is different than overseas offshoring — for call centers and help desks. As far as its international business goes, CSI was reseller of U.S. software in European markets. In other words, they helped distribute U.S. software around the world.

2. WaPoWorld:

Two years after Bain invested in the firm, CSI merged with another enterprise to form a new company called Stream International Inc. Stream immediately became active in the growing field of overseas calls centers. … By 1997, Stream was running three tech-support call centers in Europe and was part of a call center joint venture in Japan, an SEC filing shows. … Stream continued to expand its overseas call centers. And Bain’s role also grew with time. It ultimately became the majority shareholder in Stream in 1999 several months after Romney left Bain to run the Salt Lake City Olympics. … Bain sold its stake in Stream in 2001, after the company further expanded its call center operations across Europe and Asia.

Romney Reality: Those overseas call centers in the WaPo story were based in Europe and Japan, and serviced international customers of U.S. companies in their local languages.

3. WaPo World:

The corporate merger that created Stream also gave birth to another, related business known as Modus Media Inc., which specialized in helping companies outsource their manufacturing. Modus Media was a subsidiary of Stream that became an independent company in early 1998. Bain was the largest shareholder, SEC filings show. …  In December 1997, it announced it had contracted with Microsoft to produce software and training products at a center in Australia. Modus Media said it was already serving Microsoft from Asian locations in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan and in Europe and the United States. …

Two years later, Modus Media told the SEC it was performing outsource packaging and hardware assembly for IBM, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Computer Corp. The filing disclosed that Modus had operations on four continents, including Asian facilities in Singapore, Taiwan, China and South Korea, and European facilities in Ireland and France, and a center in Australia. …

Romney Reality: Again, what Modus Media did was help companies like Microsoft and IBM sell their products internationally. Products destined for American consumers were manufactured here at home.

4. WaPo World:

One of those was a California bicycle manufacturer called GT Bicycle Inc. that Bain bought in 1993. The growing company relied on Asian labor, according to SEC filings. Two years later, with the company continuing to expand, Bain helped take it public. In 1998, when Bain owned 22 percent of GT’s stock and had three members on the board, the bicycle maker was sold to Schwinn, which had also moved much of its manufacturing offshore as part of a wider trend in the bicycle industry of turning to Chinese labor.

Romney Reality: This WaPo charge is particularly weak. Turns out GT Bicycles had overseas suppliers before Bain invested in the company. The story doesn’t outright suggest Bain moved jobs overseas, but it does lead readers to make that erroneous leap for themselves.

5. WaPo World:

Another Bain investment was electronics manufacturer SMTC Corp. In June 1998, during Romney’s last year at Bain, his private equity firm acquired a Colorado manufacturer that specialized in the assembly of printed circuit boards. That was one of several preliminary steps in 1998 that would culminate in a corporate merger a year later, five months after Romney left Bain. In July 1999, the Colorado firm acquired SMTC Corp., SEC filings show. Bain became the largest shareholder of SMTC and held three seats on its corporate board. Within a year of Bain taking over, SMTC told the SEC it was expanding production in Ireland and Mexico.

Romney Reality: As the story notes, SMTC wasn’t even acquired until months after Romney left Bain Capital. Is Romney running for president or is Bain?

6. WaPo World:

Just as Romney was ending his tenure at Bain, it reached the culmination of negotiations with Hyundai Electronics Industry of South Korea for the $550 million purchase of its U.S. subsidiary, Chippac, which manufactured, tested and packaged computer chips in Asia. The deal was announced a month after Romney left Bain. Reports filed with the SEC in late 1999 showed that Chippac had plants in South Korea and China and was responsible for marketing and supplying the company’s Asian-made computer chips. An overwhelming majority of Chippac’s customers were U.S. firms, including Intel, IBM and Lucent Technologies.

Romney Reality: Stop the presses! Chippac was purchased in March 1999, a month after Romney left Bain Capital. Prior owner was Hyundai, a South Korean company that already had factories in Asia at the time of sale. So buying a company with foreign factories is the same, apparently, as “shipping jobs overseas,” according to the Washington Post.

And that’s it. That’s the big story that’s supposed to derail Romney campaign, I guess. Instead of the headline “Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas, ” perhaps the WaPoheadline should have been something different.

Some more accurate options:

– “Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that expanded overseas jobs overseas after he left”

– ”Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that had international employees before it bought them”

– “Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that created foreign call centers to deal with foreign customers”

And it’s also just bad economics to suggest offshoring is necessarily a job killer. As this study suggests, “Increased globalisation of manufacturing processes does not necessarily imply a hollowing-out of domestic production … Firms that go abroad expand employment at home relative to non-globalizers.”

Bad reporting, it would seem, and bad economics, absolutely, from The Washington Post.

Haha, took one post to bitch slap the taste out of 240's pathologically lying mouth.

I continually get a kick out of people who have a problem with Romney apparently outsourcing jobs while at the same they go completely silent on the fact that the head of Obama’s jobs council outsourced GE’s entire medical imaging division to China last year.

Carry on, sheeple.

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 03:49:11 PM »
Haha, took one post to bitch slap the taste out of 240's pathologically lying mouth.

I continually get a kick out of people who have a problem with Romney apparently outsourcing jobs while at the same they go completely silent on the fact that the head of Obama’s jobs council outsourced GE’s entire medical imaging division to China last year.

Carry on, sheeple.


Not to mention, GE paid ZILCH in taxes in 2010, all while Mr. Hope-and-Change was yelping about the rich paying their "fair share".

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 07:13:54 PM »
Fact Checker: Repeat Use of Debunked Claims Sinks Obama Ad (WaPo destroys Romney outsourcing smear)
The Washington Post ^ | Saturday, June 23, 2012 | Glenn Kessler
Posted on June 23, 2012 2:09:48 PM EDT by kristinn

SNIP

The Obama campaign apparently loves to ding former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with the charge of “outsourcing.” On several occasions, we have faulted the campaign for its claims, apparently to little avail.

Now, all of the claims have been combined in one 30-second ad, with the added incendiary charge that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee was a “corporate raider.” Let’s look anew at this material.

SNIP

Regarding the other claims, concerning Canadian electronics maker SMTC Manufacturing and customer service firm Modus Media, the Obama campaign tries to take advantage of a gray area in which Romney had stepped down from Bain — to manage the Salt lake City Olympics — but had not sold his shares in the firm. We had previously given the Obama campaign Three Pinocchios for such tactics.

SNIP

As we mentioned, we recounted this ancient Massachusetts history before, giving the campaign Two Pinocchios. So we were very surprised the Obama campaign cited that critical Fact Checker column as a source for the ad in its back-up materials.

The ad also cites as a source a Boston Globe article from last month that merely reports on an earlier ad making similar charges. That’s highly circular reasoning — and is not fair play.

SNIP

The Pinocchio Test

The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of “corporate raider” to its examples of alleged outsourcing. Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.

Four Pinocchios

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 07:20:15 PM »
My company would not have survived the early 2000 tech crash were it not for outsourcing, nor would it be thriving today.   The product would not sell if we had to charge US full rates.

With the blended rate, we are able to employ about 4,000 US people and 6,000 in India.   Without outsourcing, those 4000 jobs would be gone.
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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 07:25:34 PM »
My company would not have survived the early 2000 tech crash were it not for outsourcing, nor would it be thriving today.   The product would not sell if we had to charge US full rates.

With the blended rate, we are able to employ about 4,000 US people and 6,000 in India.   Without outsourcing, those 4000 jobs would be gone.


180 , blackass , straw, et al don't grasp reality.

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 07:30:31 PM »

180 , blackass , straw, et al don't grasp reality.

LOL @ getbig... a place where '180' = a major insult because it means a male only weighs 180 pounds. 

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Re: Bain, under Romney, pioneered outsouring for 15 years
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2012, 01:54:19 AM »
LOL @ getbig... a place where '180' = a major insult because it means a male only weighs 180 pounds. 

Dude. 

Your "point" as the basis for this thread was destroyed. It has been proven to be completely false, yet your only response is to whine about 3333 calling you 180.

Is this the best you have?

Come on. Try again. Try to defend your lie.