65 Obama lies. LMFAO ! ! ! ! He won't recover.

[Soul Crusher]

And then Romey does it just has Clinton Bush and Bush 1 did and we still are here complaining about the current one doing it AND Nothing gets done because its always the opposing party complaining and then when there guy gets he does it.

See my point?

Well, our only choice is to keep ousting these liars until someone does TJE right thing. 

[Primemuscle]

....until someone does TJE right thing. 

And what would that be, in your opinion?

[Soul Crusher]

And what would that be, in your opinion?

1.  Cut spending dramtically
2.  Cut taxes dramatically
3.  Get our entitlement programs under control
4.  Secure the border

BTW - here is another laughable lie from Obama that is so beyond absurd its not even funny any more. 

[Primemuscle]

1.  Cut spending dramtically
2.  Cut taxes dramatically
3.  Get our entitlement programs under control
4.  Secure the border

BTW - here is another laughable lie from Obama that is so beyond absurd its not even funny any more. 

If you were the President and if you actually had the ability to make these changes (which for the most part the President does not) how would you go about doing these things?

1. Where do you believe spending should/could be cut?
2. Do you have a tax cut plan? Would it across the board or some other plan?
3. Which entitlement programs are out of control (I assume you mean spending)?
4. What would you do to secure the border (I assume you don't mean the Canadian border)?

[Soul Crusher]

If you were the President and if you actually had the ability to make these changes (which for the most part the President does not) how would you go about doing these things?

1. Where do you believe spending should/could be cut?
2. Do you have a tax cut plan? Would it across the board or some other plan?
3. Which entitlement programs are out of control (I assume you mean spending)?
4. What would you do to secure the border (I assume you don't mean the Canadian border)?

1.  Across the board, get rid of NEA, ATF, DOE, and other worthless agencies.
2.  Flat national sales tax - no income tax, no cap gains, no estate tax,
3.  All entitlement programs need to be dealt with Medicaide is killing the states, medicare is broke beyond words, and SS is aponzi scam. 
4.  Bring the troops home from Europe and put them on the Mexi Border. , fence, bio-metric visas, etc.     

[Skip8282]

And then Romey does it just has Clinton Bush and Bush 1 did and we still are here complaining about the current one doing it AND Nothing gets done because its always the opposing party complaining and then when there guy gets he does it.

See my point?

And that applies to just about everything in politics.

Another President took us to war...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one doing it.
Another President abused executive privilege...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one doing it.
Another President failed to negotiate a diplomatic proposal...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one failing.
Another President raised record campaign money...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one doing it.


Guess just about everything is off the table. 

Is the "point" starting to sink in?

[Skip8282]

Couple of months ago I got nailed for running a stop sign.

Can't believe they didn't let me off seeing as how my brother has done the EXACT same thing before.

What the hell is the world coming to?

[OzmO]

Skip you a missing my point, I am not in favor of letting people off the hook because evergreens else does it.

Where do you get the idea that is What I am saying?

Can you name an honest president?

[tonymctones]

Skip you a missing my point, I am not in favor of letting people off the hook because evergreens else does it.

Where do you get the idea that is What I am saying?

Can you name an honest president?

I dont want to read the whole thread so just tell me.

it sounds like thats exactly what youre saying...

[OzmO]

I dont want to read the whole thread so just tell me.

it sounds like thats exactly what youre saying...

It all started with me asking anyone to name an honest president.  Can you name one tony?

Yet each election we trust and hope, I guess, that the new president's campaign promises are going to be tried in good faith and to the best of my knowledge every one of them lies.  So here we are complaining about Obama's when every other modern pres did it.  It fucking stupid to me.  If we know they all lie anyway why do we even take what they say seriously during a campaign?  Shouldn't we focus on what they actually do in office?  Because that differs among presidents. 

[tonymctones]

It all started with me asking anyone to name an honest president.  Can you name one tony?

Yet each election we trust and hope, I guess, that the new president's campaign promises are going to be tried in good faith and to the best of my knowledge every one of them lies.  So here we are complaining about Obama's when every other modern pres did it.  It fucking stupid to me.  If we know they all lie anyway why do we even take what they say seriously during a campaign?  Shouldn't we focus on what they actually do in office?  Because that differs among presidents. 

I can see your point but no we shouldnt just focus on their actions in office.

I was raised to do as you say and say as you do, is it to much to expect ppl to be fuking honest?

is it ridiculous to condemn them for not being honest?

I say no on both accounts, maybe if we started holding the lying presidents accountable we will get an honest president...

[OzmO]

I can see your point but no we shouldnt just focus on their actions in office.

I was raised to do as you say and say as you do, is it to much to expect ppl to be fuking honest?

is it ridiculous to condemn them for not being honest?

I say no on both accounts, maybe if we started holding the lying presidents accountable we will get an honest president...

Much of this for me is frustration based.  Because here's what's going to happen if Romney gets elected:  4 years from now, 44444444. (333333's liberal counterpart ) is going to list all of Romney's lies and then the same will happen with the next pres and so on and so forth.

Like you, I just want it to stop, buts it's not going to because we have only really 2 choices and a very uninvolved public.

Of course the sad part is, I have had all the tools line up and ridicule me for this totally missing my point, just as the tools on the other side would have if the situation was reversed because it's too difficult to see this point.  This is part of the problem and why lying will continue and never fucking stop.  So what's the point?

[Fury]

And that applies to just about everything in politics.

Another President took us to war...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one doing it.
Another President abused executive privilege...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one doing it.
Another President failed to negotiate a diplomatic proposal...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one failing.
Another President raised record campaign money...guess it's dumb to talk about the current one doing it.


Guess just about everything is off the table. 

Is the "point" starting to sink in?

[Dos Equis]

Much of this for me is frustration based.  Because here's what's going to happen if Romney gets elected:  4 years from now, 44444444. (333333's liberal counterpart ) is going to list all of Romney's lies and then the same will happen with the next pres and so on and so forth.

That's pretty funny.   

[Soul Crusher]

That's pretty funny.   

If mittens turns out to be a turd we vote him out too. No excuses.

[Soul Crusher]

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Obama Is A Job-Outsourcing Hypocrite
IBD Editorials ^ | June 27, 2012 | Editor
Posted on June 27, 2012 9:51:55 PM EDT by Kaslin

Politics: The president accuses his likely opponent of outsourcing jobs as his re-election campaign hires telemarketers in Canada and the Philippines. And what about GM in China and those electric cars built in Finland?

After his attacks on Mitt Romney's involvement in the job-creating private equity firm Bain Capital failed to resonate with an underemployed America, President Obama has retooled his message somewhat.

Now, after the Washington Post published a story about Bain's alleged role in outsourcing factory jobs overseas, he's blasting Republican nominee Mitt Romney as an "outsourcer in chief" and "outsourcing pioneer."

He did so even as, the Washington Free Beacon reports, Team Obama spent nearly $4,700 on services from a Canadian telemarketing company called Pacific East between March and June. The Obama campaign also paid a call center in Manila, Philippines, $78,314.10 for telemarketing services between the start of the campaign and March.

Few people remember an August 2010 report at InformationWeek.com about the U.S. Agency for International Development, a federal agency run by a hand-picked Obama appointee, launching a $36 million program to train workers, including 3,000 specialists in IT and related functions, in South Asia.

They were to provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent's low labor costs.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...

[OzmO]

If mittens turns out to be a turd we vote him out too. No excuses.

I kind of would like to think you will hold him to the same standards.  If you do, monster respect.   

He's gotta win first though, and i don't see him doing that yet. 

[Soul Crusher]

I kind of would like to think you will hold him to the same standards.  If you do, monster respect.   

He's gotta win first though, and i don't see him doing that yet. 

Mittens is a liar and a pandering turd, but I am willing to give him a chance.

[Primemuscle]

1.  Across the board, get rid of NEA, ATF, DOE, and other worthless agencies.
2.  Flat national sales tax - no income tax, no cap gains, no estate tax,
3.  All entitlement programs need to be dealt with Medicaide is killing the states, medicare is broke beyond words, and SS is aponzi scam. 
4.  Bring the troops home from Europe and put them on the Mexi Border. , fence, bio-metric visas, etc.     

1. Why do you consider these and other government agencies worthless....explain.
2. Sales tax is a regressive tax. Lower income people would have a greater percentage of their income going for taxes. Additionally, do you know how much revenue a national sales tax would raise?
3. How do you propose to provide medical services to those who cannot afford them? As I mentioned before, I paid into Social Security for over 50 years (not that I had a choice, because if I had I might have invested that money elsewhere where I would have got a better rate of return and not been made a target for having it).
4. Are you aware that the military bases in Texas are the most populace bases? My son-in-law is stationed at Fort Bliss in El Paso, TX. Fort Bliss in Texas and New Mexico is the largest contiguous base at 1,120,000 acres. Are you aware there is currently an exodus back to South America because many immigrants, both legal and illegal cannot find jobs here.

The study found that while 200,000 Mexicans came to the U.S. legally between 2007 and 2010, 800,000 who were here illegally left. That lowered the total number of Mexican­-born people in the U.S. from 12.6 million to 12 million, the study says.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/as-jobs-decline-many-illegal-immigrants-are-return/nN3WG/

[whork]

1. Why do you consider these and other government agencies worthless....explain.
2. Sales tax is a regressive tax. Lower income people would have a greater percentage of their income going for taxes. Additionally, do you know how much revenue a national sales tax would raise?
3. How do you propose to provide medical services to those who cannot afford them? As I mentioned before, I paid into Social Security for over 50 years (not that I had a choice, because if I had I might have invested that money elsewhere where I would have got a better rate of return and not been made a target for having it).
4. Are you aware that the military bases in Texas are the most populace bases? My son-in-law is stationed at Fort Bliss in El Paso, TX. Fort Bliss in Texas and New Mexico is the largest contiguous base at 1,120,000 acres. Are you aware there is currently an exodus back to South America because many immigrants, both legal and illegal cannot find jobs here.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/as-jobs-decline-many-illegal-immigrants-are-return/nN3WG/

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