Count down to decision on ObamaCare

[Soul Crusher]

I'm thinking 6-3 down w the mandate

5-4 upholding the rest. 

[Soul Crusher]

Is Obama Planning to Reinstate Obamacare via Executive Order?
National Review Online - The Corner ^ | June 27, 2012 | Avik Roy



“We will be prepared,” said Obama aide Valerie Jarrett this week when asked about White House contingency plans in the event that Obamacare is struck down by the Supreme Court. But on Twitter, Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic said something interesting: that the White House has executive orders ready to go if Obamacare is struck down. “Their content and timing I don’t know,” Marc says. “But they’ve got contingency plans a-plenty.”

It’s not clear to me exactly how much of Obamacare can be reinstated via executive order. It’s certainly conceivable that the president could issue costly mandates that affect private insurers. But the president couldn’t expand Medicaid on his own, or ration Medicare without congressional approval.

[Straw Man]

SCOTUS will uphold Health Care Law

Harvard Law School Professor Laurence Tribe, Â who taught both President Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts, says he believes the Supreme Court will uphold the health care law. Tribe also discussed the politicization of the court.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/47963303

btw - wtf is up with Scalia. The guy is the very epitome of an "activist judge" and is even cricizing the administration for something that is not even part of a case that is before the court and citing the New York Times.   Bizarro behaviour for a sitting SC judge

[Soul Crusher]

SCOTUS will uphold Health Care Law

Harvard Law School Professor Laurence Tribe, Â who taught both President Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts, says he believes the Supreme Court will uphold the health care law. Tribe also discussed the politicization of the court.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/47963303

btw - wtf is up with Scalia. The guy is the very epitome of an "activist judge" and is even cricizing the administration for something that is not even part of a case that is before the court and citing the New York Times.   Bizarro behaviour for a sitting SC judge

Scalia was dead right to attack obama since Obama proved scalias' point by his lawlessness in ending the program w AZ after he lost on that one point. 


Obama is the most radical lawless extreme freak show EVEr to hold office. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Is Obama Planning to Reinstate Obamacare via Executive Order?
National Review Online - The Corner ^ | June 27, 2012 | Avik Roy



“We will be prepared,” said Obama aide Valerie Jarrett this week when asked about White House contingency plans in the event that Obamacare is struck down by the Supreme Court. But on Twitter, Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic said something interesting: that the White House has executive orders ready to go if Obamacare is struck down. “Their content and timing I don’t know,” Marc says. “But they’ve got contingency plans a-plenty.”

It’s not clear to me exactly how much of Obamacare can be reinstated via executive order. It’s certainly conceivable that the president could issue costly mandates that affect private insurers. But the president couldn’t expand Medicaid on his own, or ration Medicare without congressional approval.

Can't use Executive Order on this.....

[James]

5-4 SCOTUS strikes it down entirely.

The whole thing goes. They are not going to pick through a 3000 page bill trying to decide what goes and what stays when there is no severability clause.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

5-4 SCOTUS strikes it down entirely.

The whole thing goes. They are not going to pick through a 3000 page bill trying to decide what goes and what stays when there is no severability clause.

More than likely, they already had their minds made up beforehand...it makes no difference

[Straw Man]

Scalia was dead right to attack obama since Obama proved scalias' point by his lawlessness in ending the program w AZ after he lost on that one point. 


Obama is the most radical lawless extreme freak show EVEr to hold office. 

wtf is a justice doing giving his personal opinion from the bench on a subject that is not part of any court case in front of him.

Bizarro behaviour

[240 is Back]

being an activist judge is okay, if we agree with your ideology.

[Soul Crusher]

wtf is a justice doing giving his personal opinion from the bench on a subject that is not part of any court case in front of him.

Bizarro behaviour

No - i heard today someone mention that sometimes justices read from their dissents from the bench. 

[Soul Crusher]

being an activist judge is okay, if we agree with your ideology.

How is it being an activist judge to rule something un-constitutional that has no precedent in the history of this country? 

[Straw Man]

being an activist judge is okay, if we agree with your ideology.

by definition, an activiist judge is only someone who doesn't agree with your ideology

[240 is Back]

How is it being an activist judge to rule something un-constitutional that has no precedent in the history of this country?  

I read on DU that scalia was a real dick.  that's enough for me to make my decision.

[Soul Crusher]

I read on DU that scalia was a real dick.  that's enough for me to make my decision.

Everyone to the right of stalin and mao is a dick according to those bottom feeders at the DUmp. 

[Straw Man]

No - i heard today someone mention that sometimes justices read from their dissents from the bench. 

yes, that does happen (suprised you hadn't heard about it before) but Scalia was not referring to the case at hand but making refernce to something (Obama's recent Executive Order) that was not part of the case at hand and not part of any case before them.   That is the very definition of activism on the bench

In dissenting from a court ruling that struck down all but one part of Arizona’s law on illegal immigrants, Justice Scalia strayed far from the case at hand to deliver animadversions on President Obama’s recent executive order barring deportation of people who entered the country illegally as children. Based on nothing more than news reports, Justice Scalia opined that this policy would divert federal resources from immigration enforcement, thus creating “the specter” of a “Federal Government that does not want to enforce the immigration laws as written, and leaves the States’ borders unprotected against immigrants whom those laws would exclude.”

This gratuitous outburst, regarding a matter that might someday come before the court as a legal case, followed Justice Scalia’s performance during oral arguments on health care, which included a wisecrack about striking down the “Cornhusker Kickback” — even though that infamous dollop of Medicaid money for Nebraska, allegedly inserted in return for the vote of that state’s senator, was no longer in the statute. He sneered that asking the justices to read the entire 2,700-page Affordable Care Act would violate the Eighth Amendment prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. He launched into a muddled riff on an old Jack Benny comedy routine that became so protracted and distracting that Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., amused at first, eventually had to declare “that’s enough frivolity for a while.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/justice-scalias-partisan-discredit-to-the-court/2012/06/27/gJQAoVEG7V_story.html

[Soul Crusher]

yes, that does happen (suprised you hadn't heard about it before) but Scalia was not referring to the case at hand but making refernce to something (Obama's recent Executive Order) that was not part of the case at hand and not part of any case before them.   That is the very definition of activism on the bench
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/justice-scalias-partisan-discredit-to-the-court/2012/06/27/gJQAoVEG7V_story.html

I'm glad he did that since Obama thumbed his nose at the court by going around the congress and acting in a lawless manner. 


How you progressives can still support this out of control maniac is beyond comprehension. 

[Straw Man]

How is it being an activist judge to rule something un-constitutional that has no precedent in the history of this country? 

Scalia was veered from the case at hand and was talking about Obama's recent Executive Order and the action Obama took has precedence with at least 4 other recent POTUS's

[avxo]

No - i heard today someone mention that sometimes justices read from their dissents from the bench.

You're a lawyer and you just heard it today that Justices can read their opinions from the Supreme Court bench? REALLY? Do you pay any attention to the Supreme Court (or the Federal Judiciary in general)?

[Soul Crusher]

Scalia was veered from the case at hand and was talking about Obama's recent Executive Order and the action Obama took has precedence with at least 4 other recent POTUS's

Oh you are full of shit and you know it.   Congress creates the laws and  the visa requirements and standards, not the executive branch.  

[Straw Man]

I'm glad he did that since Obama thumbed his nose at the court by going around the congress and acting in a lawless manner.  How you progressives can still support this out of control maniac is beyond comprehension. 

Obama was well within his authority to do what he did and Scalia is certainly free to offer his opinions on any topic but not from the bench

Cases resulting from that EO might wind up in front on him someday.  Did he just disqualify himself from those potential future cases?

[Soul Crusher]

You're a lawyer and you just heard it today that Justices can read their opinions from the Supreme Court bench? REALLY? Do you pay any attention to the Supreme Court (or the Federal Judiciary in general)?

Of course I do, but people are making it out to be some outrageous thing Scalia did.   Poor cry babies think Obama should never be criticized for his lawlessness and usurpation of powers.  Fuck em.  

[Straw Man]

Oh you are full of shit and you know it.   Congress creates the laws and  the visa requirements and standards, not the executive branch.  

Reagan, Bush 1 and 2 and Clinton all had times where they "selectively enforced" immigration laws

I would say "you know it" but most likely you don't know it and will forget it as soon as you're done reading this so you can rant about it again later

[Straw Man]

Of course I do, but people are making it out to be some outrageous thing Scalia did.   Poor cry babies think Obama should never be criticized for his lawlessness and usurpation of powers.  Fuck em.  

not just me but plenty of others including other conservative judges

[Straw Man]

You're a lawyer and you just heard it today that Justices can read their opinions from the Supreme Court bench? REALLY? Do you pay any attention to the Supreme Court (or the Federal Judiciary in general)?

333 is barely a lawyer

he's basically a glorified debt collector

[Soul Crusher]

Reagan, Bush 1 and 2 and Clinton all had times where they "selectively enforced" immigration laws

I would say "you know it" but most likely you don't know it and will forget it as soon as you're done reading this so you can rant about it again later

Selective enforcement is one thing - what obama is doing is creating a new class of immigrants specifically rejected by the congress.