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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2012, 04:31:19 PM »
I haven't finished reading the dissent. I am disappointed - I had hoped for a decision that invalidated the mandate (I'm not necessarily opposed to some healthcare reforms that would involve incentives for people to get health insurance).

I think the decision can certainly be construed as
dangerously expanding the tax power of Congress and I think all the Courts - including the Supremes must now be careful to hold the line.

I think a positive side-effect of the decision is that we finally have a decision that sets some constraints on what Congress can do under the Commerce and N&P clauses.


Yes, but what congress could not do under the commerce clause previously, Roberts has now opened the door as to what they can do via the taxing power.   

That is how I read it.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2012, 05:19:54 PM »
I never said it was easy - learn to read.

Learn to write clearly.  You clearly don't know how difficult it is to amend the Constitution. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2012, 05:21:25 PM »
Learn to write clearly.  You clearly don't know how difficult it is to amend the Constitution. 

Obama and his gang of communists to me are enemies forever.  I will never find common ground w these commies

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2012, 06:08:16 PM »
Learn to write clearly.

I think it was pretty clear. If you think I implied that it was easy, then by all means, provide the exact quote of me saying that it is easy. Please note that to say that a solution is simple is not the same thing as to say that a solution is easy to implement - refer to your dictionary for more information.


You clearly don't know how difficult it is to amend the Constitution.

Well, first you have to get a Form C-1, fill it out in blank ink (and press hard, cause it's in triplicate), make some posts on twitter, go on TV wearing a powerful (but understated) tie, talk a bit, and wait for the ding from the microwave. No?

But in all seriousness, do educate me on how difficult this is. Clearly you are an expert on the subject.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2012, 06:15:50 PM »
I think it was pretty clear. If you think I implied that it was easy, then by all means, provide the exact quote of me saying that it is easy. Please note that to say that a solution is simple is not the same thing as to say that a solution is easy to implement - refer to your dictionary for more information.


Well, first you have to get a Form C-1, fill it out in blank ink (and press hard, cause it's in triplicate), make some posts on twitter, go on TV wearing a powerful (but understated) tie, talk a bit, and wait for the ding from the microwave. No?

But in all seriousness, do educate me on how difficult this is. Clearly you are an expert on the subject.


Here is your quote:

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Eh, I don't quite buy that. But even if I did, the solution is simple: Constitutional Amendment limiting the government's tax powers. After all, the Court can't deem unconstitutional what's in the Constitution ;)

The solution cannot be "simple" if the solution is amending the Constitution. 

If you want to learn how that process is done, please use this tool:  www.google.com.  I'm sure a Wiki link will be one of the first things that pops up. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2012, 06:16:58 PM »
Obama and his gang of communists to me are enemies forever.  I will never find common ground w these commies

I don't consider them enemies.  Just dishonest politicians who need to be voted out of office. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2012, 06:30:42 PM »
The solution cannot be "simple" if the solution is amending the Constitution. 

You seem confused, so I don't think anything I say will help. Nevertheless, I'll try one more time: a solution can be simple, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily easy to implement. I'll even give you an example: if you suffer from heart failure, the solution is simple: replace your heart; please pay special attention that this simple solution that doesn't mean that a heart transplant operation is easy.


If you want to learn how that process is done, please use this tool:  www.google.com.  I'm sure a Wiki link will be one of the first things that pops up. 

But I wanted you to explain it to me. Not Google. I don't trust Google. You're the expert!

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2012, 06:32:04 PM »
I don't consider them enemies.  Just dishonest politicians who need to be voted out of office. 

I do.   I have already told off a few former friends.   Fuck em

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2012, 06:52:18 PM »
You seem confused, so I don't think anything I say will help. Nevertheless, I'll try one more time: a solution can be simple, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily easy to implement. I'll even give you an example: if you suffer from heart failure, the solution is simple: replace your heart; please pay special attention that this simple solution that doesn't mean that a heart transplant operation is easy.


But I wanted you to explain it to me. Not Google. I don't trust Google. You're the expert!

Ah, no.  If your "solution" is nearly impossible then it can't be "simple."  And replacing a heart is never a simple solution.  Terrible example.  

As I tell my kids, I will not do your thinking for you.  So no, I won't plug in the search terms in Google and do your homework for you. You're on your own.   :)

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2012, 06:54:08 PM »
I do.   I have already told off a few former friends.   Fuck em

Not me.  I have a number of Obamabot friends.  They're still my friends and will remain so.  They're just confused.   :)

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2012, 07:04:51 PM »
Ah, no.  If your "solution" is nearly impossible then it can't be "simple."  And replacing a heart is never a simple solution.  Terrible example.

Replacing a failing organ is the quintessentially simple solution. But you confuse "simple" with"easy" when the two terms are not equivalent; that is why so you see no difference between the notion that a solution may be simple but still difficult to implement.

As you said in another post, we're going in circles, so it's pointless to continue. You'll keep assert that simple means easy and easy means simple, and I'll keep telling you that you're wrong.


As I tell my kids, I will not do your thinking for you.  So no, I won't plug in the search terms in Google and do your homework for you. You're on your own.   :)

Probably for the best, because I wouldn't want you to have you do my thinking for me, as I'm pretty sure it would have a severe negative impact on my academic and professional careers.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2012, 07:23:10 PM »
Replacing a failing organ is the quintessentially simple solution. But you confuse "simple" with"easy" when the two terms are not equivalent; that is why so you see no difference between the notion that a solution may be simple but still difficult to implement.

As you said in another post, we're going in circles, so it's pointless to continue. You'll keep assert that simple means easy and easy means simple, and I'll keep telling you that you're wrong.


Probably for the best, because I wouldn't want you to have you do my thinking for me, as I'm pretty sure it would have a severe negative impact on my academic and professional careers.


There you go again with an example that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  A decision to do heart transplant surgery is hardly an "easy" solution, or a "simple" solution, and if you talked to a heart surgeon he'd likely tell you the same thing.  But the issue is amending the Constitution.  And yes, it is pointless to continue, particularly when you don't know what the heck you're talking about. 

And yes, you should learn to do your own thinking.  It will make you a smarter person.  You keep plugging away.   :)

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2012, 08:03:08 PM »
There you go again with an example that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  A decision to do heart transplant surgery is hardly an "easy" solution, or a "simple" solution, and if you talked to a heart surgeon he'd likely tell you the same thing.  But the issue is amending the Constitution.  And yes, it is pointless to continue, particularly when you don't know what the heck you're talking about.

You can pretend to be smart if it helps you feel better, but we both know you're only lying to yourself. Especially if you can't see the distinction between a "simple" and an "easy" solution. As for what I know (and don't know) I hardly think you're qualified to judge that, and besides, I don't think there's anything to be gained from having an e-penis size competition with you.


And yes, you should learn to do your own thinking.  It will make you a smarter person.  You keep plugging away.   :)

You have quite an inflated ego. And I'll bet you it's all oil.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2012, 08:35:53 PM »
You can pretend to be smart if it helps you feel better, but we both know you're only lying to yourself. Especially if you can't see the distinction between a "simple" and an "easy" solution. As for what I know (and don't know) I hardly think you're qualified to judge that, and besides, I don't think there's anything to be gained from having an e-penis size competition with you.


You have quite an inflated ego. And I'll bet you it's all oil.

lol.  While you're researching how the Constitution is amended, look up the word "projection." 

No big ego here.  I'm just an average Joe.  And I don't use synthol.   :) 


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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2012, 09:00:43 PM »
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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2012, 10:23:55 AM »
lol.  The retard logic be strong in here.


I have simple solution to solve the entire middle east problem.  Just kill everyone over there.  See simple.  ::)



Well let's hear it avxo...name one "complicated" solution under your retardness.

Here's a hint...anything you come up with...I can claim is "simple"  as long I don't count the details.  ::)

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2012, 11:10:48 AM »

so?
tax; penalty. big deal.  tomato...tomaaato.
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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2012, 11:13:30 AM »
so?
tax; penalty. big deal.  tomato...tomaaato.


Whatever, when the next president you gay schmucks hate forces you to undergo "Straight Awareness" classes or pay a tax, you will understand.  Fucking slaves.   

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2012, 11:40:47 AM »
Learn to write clearly.  You clearly don't know how difficult it is to amend the Constitution. 

You're annoying and childish. 

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2012, 12:03:52 PM »
I have simple solution to solve the entire middle east problem.  Just kill everyone over there.  See simple.  ::)

That is simple. I don't know if I'd call that a solution, though.


Well let's hear it avxo...name one "complicated" solution under your retardness.

My, you're pretty angry... I best do what you say or you may beat me up!  ::)

Let's say one day your computer stops working. Completely. Your solution is to start troubleshooting, checking obvious things like the power supply, loose power cables, and so on. With no luck checking the obvious things, you buy more specialized and expensive tools and start poking around, checking components and traces on the motherboard looking for the fault. Eventually, after a lot of expenses and a lot time and effort you trace the problem to a tiny capacitor, which you can buy for a few cents and which you can then solder on to your board. Tada, your computer works. It's a solution, but a rather complicated one.

Or you could, after running some cursory checks for obvious things, go out and buy a new computer for under a $1,000 that will most likely outperform the one you had before, trivially transfer all your files by simply connecting two cables, and be on your way. It's another solution, and it's much simpler.


Here's a hint...anything you come up with...I can claim is "simple"  as long I don't count the details.  ::)

Like Beach Bum you have a problem distinguishing between "simple" and "easy" - simple in principle and easy in implementation are not the same thing.

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2012, 01:02:35 PM »
Obama Team: Obamacare Still Not A Tax
by Ben Shapiro
1 Jul 2012



The only legal peg on which Chief Justice Roberts was able to hang his hat in ruling Obamacare constitutional was a broad reading of the Taxing Clause. In order to do so, he had to deliberately misread the Obamacare law; had he not done so, the law would have been struck down as a violation of the Commerce Clause.
 

Nonetheless, the Obama administration insists that Obamacare isn’t a tax.


The latest Obama spokesperson to deny Roberts’ logic and essentially admit that Obamacare is unconstitutional is Jack Lew, the White House Chief of Staff. This morning, he appeared on CNN to explain:
 

First of all, the law is clear, it’s called a penalty. Second of all, what the Supreme Court ruled is that the law is constitutional.  Actually, they didn’t call it a tax. They said it was using the power under the constitution that permits it. It was not labeled.
 
This is, simply put, a lie. Lew’s first two sentences are in direct conflict with one another. The law is clear – it’s called a penalty. But if the administration is going to stand by its original construction of the statute, they can’t then claim that the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional on their basis. The notion that the Supreme Court ruled the statute constitutional without any specific basis is simply false. Lew continued:
 

This is a penalty. It’s something that only 1 percent of people who can afford insurance and choose not to get it will pay. Everyone who has insurance, everyone who chooses to buy insurance will not pay it. What they’re going to get is security — they’re going to get lower premiums and better health care. That’s a good thing for the American people.


It’s also a lie that a tiny percentage of the population will pay the penalty. The fact is that under the new Obamacare regime, millions will opt for the penalty, simply because there’s no purpose to paying $1,500 per year for health insurance when you can pay a $750 penalty, wait to get sick, then jump on a federally-mandated health plan. And it’s also a lie that we’re all going to get lower premiums and better health care. Who’s going to pay for that? And how are we going to achieve that if the insurance companies are forced to bear the brunt of restrictions that force them to take those with pre-existing conditions, charge men and women equally, do away with coverage limits?


The key here is that the Obama administration is now caught between a rock and a hard place. They can either admit that this is an unconstitutional seizure of individual liberty (i.e. it’s a mandate) or they can admit that the statute is the single largest tax increase in world history. Neither position will be attractive to voters.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/01/Obama-team-Obamacare-still-not-a-tax


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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2012, 01:24:42 PM »


My, you're pretty angry... I best do what you say or you may beat me up!  ::)




If you think I threatened you in any way...your reading comprehension really needs to improve.  But I think we all know that, lol.



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Let's say one day your computer stops working. Completely. Your solution is to start troubleshooting, checking obvious things like the power supply, loose power cables, and so on. With no luck checking the obvious things, you buy more specialized and expensive tools and start poking around, checking components and traces on the motherboard looking for the fault. Eventually, after a lot of expenses and a lot time and effort you trace the problem to a tiny capacitor, which you can buy for a few cents and which you can then solder on to your board. Tada, your computer works. It's a solution, but a rather complicated one.


Nope, not complicated.  You just decided that this time you'd include the details.  ::)
The simple solution is fix the computer. 





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Like Beach Bum you have a problem distinguishing between "simple" and "easy" - simple in principle and easy in implementation are not the same thing.



Sorry tard, but you don't have ownership over the words.

The normal, typical, mature, intelligent, adult considers the details of the solution when deciding if it's "complicated solution" or a "simple solution".

Example:

Mature Intelligent Adult#1 - "Well, perhaps a simple solution is x"
Mature Intelligent Adult#2 - "It's not that simple because you have to consider x AND y AND z


Now...let's contrast that with your juvenile, retard, interpretation:

Retard - "Simple solution to world hunger, feed everyone"
Mature Intelligent Adult - "Well, it's not that simple because you have to consider..."
Retard - "No. No. No...I can say it easy so it's simple.  See it's 2 words!  That makes it simple"  ::)



On a side note...I'm pretty sure your a gimmick of TheLuke?

Just come clean now.


Class dismissed.


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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2012, 01:26:02 PM »
Oh...still waiting on a "complicated solution".  Anyone give him a hand?

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Re: Obama lied about mandate not being a "Tax"
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2012, 03:22:48 PM »
*shakes head* you both - collectively - have the iq of a turnip if you can't distinguish the difference between simple and easy.