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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2012, 05:56:14 AM »
You don't need to worry about "income" since you don't have any.

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2012, 06:27:07 AM »
By JOHN YOO

White House judge-pickers sometimes ask prospective nominees about their favorite Supreme Court justice. The answers can reveal a potential judge's ideological leanings without resorting to litmus tests. Republican presidential candidates similarly promise to appoint more judges like so-and-so to reassure the conservative base.

Since his appointment to the high court in 2005, the most popular answer was Chief Justice John Roberts. But that won't remain true after his ruling on Thursday in NFIB v. Sebelius, which upheld President Barack Obama's signature health-care law.

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Editorial board member Dorothy Rabinowitz and assistant editorial page editor James Freeman on why John Roberts sided with liberal justices in upholding the individual mandate. Photo: Getty Images

Justice Roberts served in the Reagan Justice Department and as a White House lawyer before his appointment to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the Supreme Court by President George W. Bush. Yet he joined with the court's liberal wing to bless the greatest expansion of federal power in decades.

Conservatives are scrambling to salvage something from the decision of their once-great judicial hero. Some hope Sebelius covertly represents a "substantial victory," in the words of conservative columnist George Will.

After all, the reasoning goes, Justice Roberts's opinion declared that the Constitution's Commerce Clause does not authorize Congress to regulate inactivity, which would have given the federal government a blank check to regulate any and all private conduct. The court also decided that Congress unconstitutionally coerced the states by threatening to cut off all Medicaid funds if they did not expand this program as far as President Obama wants.

All this is a hollow hope. The outer limit on the Commerce Clause in Sebelius does not put any other federal law in jeopardy and is undermined by its ruling on the tax power (discussed below). The limits on congressional coercion in the case of Medicaid may apply only because the amount of federal funds at risk in that program's expansion—more than 20% of most state budgets—was so great. If Congress threatens to cut off 5%-10% to force states to obey future federal mandates, will the court strike that down too? Doubtful.

Worse still, Justice Roberts's opinion provides a constitutional road map for architects of the next great expansion of the welfare state. Congress may not be able to directly force us to buy electric cars, eat organic kale, or replace oil heaters with solar panels. But if it enforces the mandates with a financial penalty then suddenly, thanks to Justice Roberts's tortured reasoning in Sebelius, the mandate is transformed into a constitutional exercise of Congress's power to tax.

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Some conservatives hope that Justice Roberts is pursuing a deeper political game. Charles Krauthammer, for one, calls his opinion "one of the great constitutional finesses of all time" by upholding the law on the narrowest grounds possible—thus doing the least damage to the Constitution—while turning aside the Democratic Party's partisan attacks on the court.

The comparison here is to Marbury v. Madison (1803), where Chief Justice John Marshall deflected President Thomas Jefferson's similar assault on judicial independence. Of the Federalist Party, which he had defeated in 1800, Jefferson declared: "They have retired into the judiciary as a stronghold. There the remains of federalism are to be preserved and fed from the treasury, and from that battery all the works of republicanism are to be beaten down and erased." Jeffersonians in Congress responded by eliminating federal judgeships, and also by impeaching a lower court judge and a Supreme Court judge.

In Marbury, Justice Marshall struck down section 13 of the Judiciary Act of 1789, thus depriving his own court of the power to hear a case against Secretary of State James Madison. Marbury effectively declared that the court would not stand in the way of the new president or his congressional majorities. So Jefferson won a short-term political battle—but Justice Marshall won the war by securing for the Supreme Court the power to declare federal laws unconstitutional.

While some conservatives may think Justice Roberts was following in Justice Marshall's giant footsteps, the more apt comparison is to the Republican Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes. Hughes's court struck down the centerpieces of President Franklin Roosevelt's early New Deal because they extended the Commerce Clause power beyond interstate trade to intrastate manufacturing and production. Other decisions blocked Congress's attempt to delegate its legislative powers to federal agencies.

FDR reacted furiously. He publicly declared: "We have been relegated to a horse-and-buggy definition of interstate commerce." After winning a resounding landslide in the 1936 elections, he responded in February 1937 with the greatest attack on the courts in American history. His notorious court-packing plan proposed to add six new justices to the Supreme Court's nine members, with the obvious aim of overturning the court's opposition to the New Deal.

After the president's plan was announced, Hughes and Justice Owen J. Roberts began to switch their positions. They would vote to uphold the National Labor Relations Act, minimum-wage and maximum-hour laws, and the rest of the New Deal.

But Hughes sacrificed fidelity to the Constitution's original meaning in order to repel an attack on the court. Like Justice Roberts, Hughes blessed the modern welfare state's expansive powers and unaccountable bureaucracies—the very foundations for ObamaCare.

Hughes's great constitutional mistake was made for nothing. While many historians and constitutional scholars have referred to his abrupt and unprincipled about-face as "the switch in time that saved nine," the court-packing plan was wildly unpopular right from the start. It went nowhere in the heavily Democratic Congress. Moreover, further New Deal initiatives stalled in Congress after the congressional elections in 1938.

Justice Roberts too may have sacrificed the Constitution's last remaining limits on federal power for very little—a little peace and quiet from attacks during a presidential election year.

Given the advancing age of several of the justices, an Obama second term may see the appointment of up to three new Supreme Court members. A new, solidified liberal majority will easily discard Sebelius's limits on the Commerce Clause and expand the taxing power even further. After the Hughes court switch, FDR replaced retiring Justices with a pro-New Deal majority, and the court upheld any and all expansions of federal power over the economy and society. The court did not overturn a piece of legislation under the Commerce Clause for 60 years.

If a Republican is elected president, he will have to be more careful than the last. When he asks nominees the usual question about justices they agree with, the better answer should once again be Scalia or Thomas or Alito, not Roberts.

Mr. Yoo, a professor at the University of California at Berkeley School of Law who served in the Bush Justice Department, is the author of "Taming Globalization" (Oxford University Press, 2012).

A version of this article appeared June 30, 2012, on page A15 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Chief Justice Roberts and His Apologists.


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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2012, 07:08:55 PM »
I don't disagree that Roberts' decision cracks opens a door that should have stayed close but you may want to read up on the 16th Amendment, which slightly alters the calculus of taxes since Article 1 isn't the only thing that applies and which makes your "legal analysis" not quite right: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Not really. But thanks for your input.

The 16th amendment applies ONLY to personal income tax and  was ratified by the states as the lone exception to Article 1 in 1913.  But let's take your proposition as true for arguments sake.

  Is the individual mandate PENALTY just another tax on personal income? Maybe. Maybe not. We'll never know because the issue was never addressed. The issue was never briefed in detail by either side ( except the landmark legal foundation). In fact, the possibility never seriously entered the minds of the 9 Supreme Court Justices. If its not a tax under Article 1, if it is not an income tax under the 16th amendment and if ( as Roberts writes in his opinion) the individual mandate is not a tax for the purposes of the anti injunction act, then under what legal definition can the individual mandate possibly be considered a tax?

From the text of the 16th amendment: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived

 The Supreme court has defined derived income as: "undeniable accessions to wealth". Unless the English language as we know it has suddenly ceased to exist, the refusal to buy a product or service cannot be defined as  a form of income or accession of wealth under any legal or linguistic analysis.

With that said, please explain to me how the individual mandate is a tax, except in the mind of John Roberts....

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2012, 07:13:02 PM »
Being alive now qualifies! 



Not really. But thanks for your input.

The 16th amendment applies ONLY to personal income tax and  was ratified by the states as the lone exception to Article 1 in 1913.  But let's take your proposition as true for arguments sake.

  Is the individual mandate PENALTY just another tax on personal income? Maybe. Maybe not. We'll never know because the issue was never addressed. The issue was never briefed in detail by either side ( except the landmark legal foundation). In fact, the possibility never seriously entered the minds of the 9 Supreme Court Justices. If its not a tax under Article 1, if it is not an income tax under the 16th amendment and if ( as Roberts writes in his opinion) the individual mandate is not a tax for the purposes of the anti injunction act, then under what legal definition can the individual mandate possibly be considered a tax?

From the text of the 16th amendment: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived

 The Supreme court has defined derived income as: "undeniable accessions to wealth". Unless the English language as we know it has suddenly ceased to exist, the refusal to buy a product or service cannot be defined as  a form of income or accession of wealth under any legal or linguistic analysis.

With that said, please explain to me how the individual mandate is a tax, except in the mind of John Roberts....

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2012, 08:12:31 PM »
To strengthen your point, George:

(1) Find me where the words "health," "care," or "insurance" are found in the Constitution, and I might agree that Obamacare is Constitutional. Any powers not expressly granted to the federal government in the Constitution are left up to individuals and the states.

(2) The taxing power of the federal government is for the purposes of generating revenue, not regulating behavior or social engineering. Any and all prohibitive and redistributive taxation is unconstitutional.

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2012, 01:25:49 AM »
How is a mandate or penalty "income".

I don't think it is.

George wrote that "Article 1 section 8 clause 1 sets forth the only enumerated and permissible means by which Congress can tax." and I said that that is simply not true. In addition to its Article 1 tax powers, the Government has additional powers that are more, shall we say, "liberal" for lack of a better term, that give it extraordinarily wide berth in levying taxes. (Another horrible Amendment that should be repealed, but that's a whole 'nother topic).

I think that we all agree that if Congress had written the law to explicitly say "Everyone must pay an additional $X in income tax. Everyone who has health insurance that meets requirements set out in ... gets a tax credit of $X." the provision would be constitutional, instead of this ridiculous "penalties" nonsense and whatnot.

Was it sensible for Roberts to try to see if he could shoehorn the mandate in as a tax to uphold it? I don't think so. But, unfortunately, he did.


With that said, please explain to me how the individual mandate is a tax, except in the mind of John Roberts....

I wouldn't presume to explain how the mandate is a tax in the mind of John Roberts, or anyone else for that matter, especially when I disagree with Roberts' conclusion. And anyways, his opinion speaks for itself.

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2012, 02:19:42 AM »
To strengthen your point, George:

(1) Find me where the words "health," "care," or "insurance" are found in the Constitution, and I might agree that Obamacare is Constitutional. Any powers not expressly granted to the federal government in the Constitution are left up to individuals and the states.

(2) The taxing power of the federal government is for the purposes of generating revenue, not regulating behavior or social engineering. Any and all prohibitive and redistributive taxation is unconstitutional.
Is the internet unconstitutional?

I can't find the word in there.

Thanks.
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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2012, 02:59:52 AM »
Is the internet unconstitutional?

I can't find the word in there.

Thanks.

The Federal Government mandates you have an Internet connection and "fines" you (aka taxes you) if you don't?  ???

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2012, 05:00:54 AM »
Another thing - if Cuntlosi and Ghettobama are complaining about the so called "free riders" abusing the ER, why are we not taking care of the biggest abuse of all?  Illegal Aliens? 

How much do illegals cost in unreimbursed care?   

Oh that's right - the communist left needs the votes of illegals so they feel its ok to saddle middle class and working people with higher costs and avoid dealing with illegals going to the ER

 

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2012, 05:18:35 AM »
Undoing Obamacare

By Andrew B. Wilson on 7.2.12 @ 6:09AM



Suddenly, everyone wants out.

You would have thought that Chief Justice John Roberts had shouted "fire" in a crowded theater. In upholding Obamacare, he set off a headlong race for the exits by the same lobbying groups -- believe it or not -- that had cut deals with the administration to create the legislation. Back then, the lobbyists were telling each other: If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu. Now the bodies are piling up in the doorway as those who pandered to the president trample over each other in their haste to get out of the blazing or crumbling structure that is Obamacare. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde on the death of Little Nell, no one without a heart of stone can witness this deadly scene without wanting to laugh out loud.
 
As reported on the front page of this weekend's Wall Street Journal, every one of the health-care industry groups that signed on to Obamacare in 2009 is looking for a way out.
 
Hospital groups now say they want Congress to peel back $155 billion in payment cuts that they agreed to in 2009. Representatives of Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Aetna, Inc., and Humana Inc. say they need greater freedom to adjust premiums to reflect risk. Medical-device companies are making a new push to roll back their 2.3% tax. Hotels, retailers, and restaurant chains are clamoring for a two-year delay in enforcement of a requirement that they cover full-time workers or pay a penalty, giving them until 2016 to comply.
 
Implement-and-improve, the Democrats are now saying in indicating a new willingness to make election-year concessions in revising the hated law. Or as the president put it on Thursday: "The highest court in the land has now spoken. We will continue to implement this law. And we'll work together to improve on it where we can."
 
But the race to the exits by doctors, hospitals, drug makers, insurers and others is evidence that the law is already beyond repair. To put that another way, the series of deals between the government and health-industry groups that gave rise to Obamacare is falling apart.
 
"The bargain that was struck seems to be out the window," Bruce Siegal, chief executive of the National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems, was quoted as saying.
 
It is worth recalling how the White House and the Democratic leadership in Congress brought the doctors, the hospitals, and other special interest on board in the first place. In her telling of the story ("Democrats Hoodwink the Health Lobby," WSJ, July 10, 2009), Kimberly Strassel noted that after retaking the House in 2006, Democratic Party leaders put out the word that drug companies and others that did not hire Democratic lobbyists would not get a hearing in Washington. She wrote in her Potomac Watch column:
 

The ruling party is now seeing the fruits of its bullying. These days, a meeting of health-care lobbyists is better described as a reunion of Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus's former aides. The new cabal of Democratic lobbyists does not exist to protect the industry from Congress. It exists to present Democratic ultimatums to business.
 
When Senate Republicans last month hosted a meeting to discuss reform ideas, Mr. Baucus's office called in a block of these Democratic lobbyists to deliver a message. "They said, 'Republicans are having this meeting and you need to let all your people know if they have someone there, it will be viewed as a hostile act,' "reported one attendee to the Baucus caucus.
 
Under such conditions, different industry groups were bullied and cajoled into signing on to a program that clearly threatened their own independence and integrity:

 Under the leadership of Billy Tauzin, the Big Pharma lobby agreed to do a $150 million Obamacare-friendly advertising campaign in return for protection against strict price controls on Medicare prescription drugs and drug re-importation from Canada (one of Obama's campaign pledges). Tauzin also agreed to chip in $80 billion from the industry to help close a gap in Medicare drug coverage For his success in brokering a deal with the administration, the former congressman turned pharmaceutical industry lobbyist, was paid $11.6 million in 2010.

 The health insurers' lobbying group under Karen Ignagni cut a deal with the administration in which it gave up A and B in order to get C and D: It agreed A) to bite its tongue in the face of avalanche of new mandates and other problems, and B), to commit publicly to squeezing some $2 trillion in costs out of the system, in order to get C), a law that was supposed to force 30 million uninsured to buy insurance, and D), the all-important promise that administration would not put them all out of business by exercising the so-called public option.

 The American Medical Association lent public support to Obamacare in return for promises of a "doc fix" -- protecting doctors from the automatic imposition of future reductions in their compensation. In a truly remarkable display of docility, 150 doctors from 50 states played dressy-up for the president in October, 2009 -- wearing White House-provided white lab coats as they applauded his pep talk on Obamacare. "Nobody has more credibility with the American people on this issue than you do," Obama told his guests at the photo op in the Rose Garden.

 Hospital groups agreed to $150 billion in future Medicare and Medicaid cuts -- just to protect themselves against even steeper cuts down the road.

 Then there was the AARP sell-out. In the fall of 2009, many people were surprised when the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) announced its support for Obamacare even though one of the ways the Democrats proposed to "pay" for the health care law was by taking an axe to the popular Medicare Advantage program and forcing millions of seniors back to the more expensive coverage of traditional Medicare. As David Catron wrote in this space ("The American Association for Retiree Plunder," 3-30-11), AARP is really an insurance company fronting as an advocacy group. Most of its revenues come from sales of "Medigap" policies that fill in for gaps in standard Medicare.

As Catron explained, "AARP endorsed a law that does real financial harm to seniors in order to reap a crop of new customers when Obamacare guts Medicare Advantage." That impression was partly confirmed later in a trove of emails made public by House Republicans. "We really need to talk," an AARP lobbyist wrote in an email to the White House, noting that calls from seniors were running 14 to one against Obamacare.
 
So those are some of the ways by which the president and his allies in Congress contrived to jimmy up enough credibility to pass the Affordable Health Care bill into law. Even then, with large Democrat majorities in both houses, the bill passed by narrowest of margins.
 
It was the same kind of luck (or ill fate) that kept the bill from being struck down in its entirety when -- as others have commented -- Chief Justice Roberts rewrote the statute in order to save it, insisting that the individual mandate was constitutionally defensible because it was, in his word, a "tax." He arrived at that conclusion despite repeated assertions by the president and others that the mandate was not a tax.
 
In reacting to the ruling, President Obama intoned that the Supreme Court had "reaffirmed a fundamental principle that here in America -- in the wealthiest nation on earth -- no illness or accident should lead to any family's financial ruin."
 
But Chief Justice Roberts said no such thing in rendering his judgment. To the contrary, he looked and sounded like Pontius Pilate publicly washing his hands. He was at pains to absolve himself and the court of further responsibility in having to deal with a very flawed and messy law. Here are two quotes from the chief justice:
 

"We do not consider whether the Act embodies sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the Nation's elected leaders."
 
"Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation's elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if people disagree with them [emphasis added]. It is not our job to protect people from the consequences of their political choices."
 
All of which sets the stage for a head-on collision in November between a president saying implement-and-improve and his challenger saying repeal-and-replace.
 
Let us hope that no one advocating repeal is beguiled into thinking that any part of Obamacare should be considered salvageable. The whole thing (all 2,700 pages) should be dumped in the nearest recycling bin.
 
It is no good pretending -- as the Obama administration has done throughout the long debate over health care -- that anything will come true if you wish for it hard enough.
 
Ross Kaminsky put it very well in another Spectator article in the weekend edition, when he observed: "Obama's laundry list of items which insurance companies must and must not do [is] a perfect reflection of the Democrat mentality that they can raise costs to insurers and health care providers without hurting quality, availability, or affordability for the public. It is the economic equivalent of believing, as my six-year old daughter does, in magical flying unicorns."
 
From the start, a clear majority of Americans has grasped that point, recognizing the lunacy of believing that it would be a good idea to launch a massive new entitlement program at a time when the nation -- according to the president's own debt panel -- was careening toward bankruptcy with the entitlement programs we already have.
 
Not only is the Affordable Health Care Act unaffordable; it is the exact wrong way to go about reforming and improving the health care system. When it comes to making decisions about your health care, the president and his allies in Congress believe that they know how to spend your money better than you do. They want the whole health care industry to be micro-managed by bureaucrats and political appointees, which will reduce both competition and choice -- leading to every imaginable ill from higher costs and rising premiums, to indifferent and inefficient patient care, and to rampant cronyism, favoritism, corruption, and mismanagement. One example of the favoritism that has already occurred: The administration has granted more than 1,000 waivers, mostly to unions and businesses that publicly support Obamacare -- just not for themselves.
 
It is time to reverse the incipient nationalization of the health care industry and to set about improving the system with new policies aimed at maximizing competition and choice.
 
There is ample opportunity, for instance, for enabling consumers to reap immediate benefits in the form of lowered premium and greater choice through the simple expedient of allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines. This would give individual consumers the freedom to buy low-cost, low-priced health insurance -- from a far larger universe of sellers.
 
As much as some of us regret the fact that Chief Justice Roberts did not join the four conservative justices in striking down the law in its entirety, he did accomplish one important thing:
 
He scared the hell out of the various industry lobbying groups; he made them think about what they had wrought in assisting in the creation of a law that isn't going to do them any good, and may cause them a world of hurt.
 
Let's hope that others wake up to the same realization before it is too late.
 



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Andrew B. Wilson, a former foreign correspondent who spent four years in the Middle East, now writes from St. Louis.
 





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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2012, 05:30:00 AM »
June 30, 2012
A Surgeon Cuts to the Heart of the ObamaCare Nightmare
By Stella Paul

 



The day the Supreme Court ruled in favor of ObamaCare, a friend called me.  He's an extremely dedicated, much-loved surgeon, and he was frustrated and livid in equal measure.
 
"I've actually had a lot of experience working in all different types of environments," he began.  "I've worked in a government-run socialized medical care system, and I saw the waste and inefficiency.
 
"The longer people worked in that system, the less work they wanted to do, because the more you wanted to do, the more they dumped on you.  So after a while you stop doing it, because they're not paying you to do more.  Why should you do a difficult case, a difficult surgery that will take you hours and hours to do?
 
"You might start out wanting to do it, but after a while, you just run out of energy, because there's no incentive.  You'd have to be a superhuman being to continue to work in that system and not be worn down by it.
 
"Because nobody wanted to work, it would take an hour to turn over the surgical room.  In my private practice now, it takes ten minutes.
 
"And I saw tremendous waste: closets of stuff that never got used.  Nobody cared.
 
"Capitalism has completely transformed my sub-specialty.  When I was in training, a common procedure that I do now took 40 minutes, and people needed a month of recovery.  Now it takes 10 minutes, and people can go back to work almost immediately.
 
"And all these improvements were driven by the financial incentive.  Capitalism has had a tremendously positive effect on patient care and outcome in my specialty.
 
"But when I go to meetings now, I see that there's very little innovation going on.  Everything's being impacted by ObamaCare, which, among other things, raises taxes on medical devices.
 
"You know, doctors are people, and we're being hammered on all sides here.

 It's the paperwork; it's insurance; it's transitioning to electronic medical records, so the government can get their mitts into your practice.  It's lawsuits; it's rising overhead and decreasing compensation; it's stress upon stress upon stress.
 
"And a lot of doctors are going to say, 'Forget it.  I don't want to do this anymore.' Guys that are 5 or 10 years older than me are just going to give up and walk away.

 
"Why should I be a slave to the government? You know, it used to be that doctors would do charity work at a charity hospital.  Nobody wants to do it anymore, because we're too overwhelmed.
 
"I work 60 to 70 hours a week, so how am I supposed to fight back against this?  Most doctors don't have the time to lobby their congressman or go to Washington.  If you're a doctor in the trenches, you've got a stressful job; you've got a family.  You're seeing the same number of patients and making half the income you used to make.  People are litigious these days, so you've got to worry about lawsuits.  When are you going to find time to lobby a politician?
 
"And the American Medical Association threw us all under the bus, even though only 18% of doctors belong to it.  These people are ivory-tower academics, and they're liberals.  Most of them are in academic medicine; they get a salary with some sort of incentive bonus.  They show up to work and go home.  They're not in the trenches like me, figuring out how to compete with other doctors and pay for malpractice insurance and how to hire four people I need to implement the electronic medical records and two people I need to deal with insurance.
 
"And as a doctor, I get it handed to me both ways.  My taxes are raised, and my fees are lowered.
 
"You know, young people today who go to medical school -- I don't know what to tell them.  You couldn't pay me to go to medical school today.  Some doctors are going to graduate with $500,000 in debt, and how are they going to make a living?
 
"You're 32 or 33 years old by the time you finish your training; you're married with little kids.  You've been an apprentice for 16 years, and now you're faced with socialized medicine.  That's the reality on the ground.  How are you supposed to manage that?
 
"Fortunately, I still love what I do.  But I don't know what's going to happen.  I think we'll wind up with a two-tiered medical system: a private one for the rich who pay cash and a mediocre one for everyone else.
 
"When my dad was 91, he had a heart attack and ended up with a stent.  He had two more good years after that before he died.  After ObamaCare, some government employee is going to decide that he is too old for this and not 'approve' for him to have that procedure.
 
"It's just a feeling of helplessness.  The only organizations that are fighting for doctors are the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and Docs4 Patient Care."
 
After he hung up, I went to the website of Docs4 Patient Care and found this statement from its president, Dr.  Hal Scherz:
 

The Supreme Court disappointed the majority of Americans who have voiced their opposition to Obamacare, by upholding significant portions of this truly abysmal law.  Their decision has left Americans now wondering what it is that the Federal Government can't compel them to do.  This is perhaps the worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court and emphasizes the importance of making the correct decision for chief executive, who controls who sits on this bench.
 
If you want to cure the sickness that's killing America, you'll find a powerful remedy in the voting booth in November.
 
Write Stella Paul at Stellapundit@aol.com.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/a_surgeon_cuts_to_the_heart_of_the_obamacare_nightmare.html#ixzz1zT3IpnfJ


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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2012, 06:33:52 AM »
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Obamacare: The Final Battle


By Avik Roy

July 2, 2012 4:00 A.M.

 




In 1969, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross proposed that there are five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. In the wake of John Roberts’s incoherent Supreme Court flip-floppery, most conservatives appear to find themselves in stage 1 (“Hey, we held the line on the Commerce Clause!”) or stage 2 (“Roberts is a traitor!”). There are some in stage 3 (“If we lay off Roberts, maybe he’ll help us out in the future?”) and a few in stage 4. But the reality is this: Republicans must run the table in November or we will all have to accept the permanence of Obamacare.
 
Mitt Romney said it best on Thursday. “If we want to get rid of Obamacare, we’re going to have to replace President Obama.” Those who have been sitting on the sidelines, out of complacency or loyalty to someone else from the primaries, must get out of their chairs and get to work. But while that work must end with Mitt Romney in the White House, it must begin with a Republican majority in the Senate.
 
The plan
There is much confusion and disagreement among Republicans as to whether or not Obamacare can be repealed via reconciliation, which would require 50 votes in the Senate — and a Republican vice president — instead of the filibuster-proof 60. Governor Romney has committed to repealing Obamacare via reconciliation. “We have to repeal Obamacare, and I will do that . . . with a reconciliation bill. . . . We can get rid of it with 51 votes,” he said last October.
 
It can be done. Reconciliation can be used for any provision that is germane to the budget, and a simple bill repealing Obamacare would certainly be so. And even a more complex bill could get through reconciliation, as Jim Capretta explains, because much of Obamacare’s regulatory architecture — including the individual mandate — revolves around the law’s revenue and spending provisions.
 
But the Senate majority needed to repeal Obamacare is far from guaranteed. Indeed, if the election were held today, Republicans would probably fail.
 
The math
Today, Republicans control 47 seats in the upper chamber. Olympia Snowe’s retirement in Maine — a likely pickup for the Democrats — means that Republicans must gain four more seats to control the Senate, and probably six to gain a governing majority. Based on the latest polls in each race, if the election were held today, Republicans would get only to 49. And even 49 is not assured.
 
At first glance, the math seems favorable. Of the 15 races that RealClearPolitics deems most competitive, Democrats must defend 11 seats: Stabenow (Mich.), Brown (Ohio), Nelson (Fla.), McCaskill (Mo.), Tester (Mont.), and open seats in Connecticut, Hawaii, New Mexico, North Dakota, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Republicans must defend four: Brown (Mass.), Heller (Nev.), and open seats in Arizona and Indiana.
 
Though Republicans are likely to hold Arizona and Indiana, Massachusetts and Nevada are going to be tight. Senator Scott Brown is tied with Elizabeth Warren as of the latest poll in Massachusetts, and Senator Dean Heller is up by only one percentage point against Democrat Shelley Berkley. If Republicans were to lose both of those seats, they would have to win six of the Democrats’ eleven to get to 50, and eight to get to 52.
 
And that won’t be easy either. Debbie Stabenow and Sherrod Brown are up by double digits in their respective races. Hawaii and Connecticut are long shots. That leaves Florida, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
 
In those seven races, as of the latest polls, Democrats are up in Florida (by 1), North Dakota (by 1), Virginia (by 1), and New Mexico (by 5). Republicans are leading in Montana (by 2); Tommy Thompson is up 8 in Wisconsin, and nearly every potential Republican challenger is leading Senator Claire McCaskill in Missouri.
 
I don’t want to get into a technical discussion of the various polls’ methodologies and precision; I outsource that to Jim Geraghty. The bottom line is that conservative activists need to realize the stakes, and get active in one or more of these races.
 
The message
Every reader of National Review knows why Obamacare is bad. It will expand the deficit, a problem that John Roberts’s opinion makes materially worse. It rations Medicare. It forces between 17 and 25 million more people into Medicaid, a program with some of the worst health outcomes in the world, in which people die of toothaches because they can’t gain access to care. It raises taxes by more than $500 billion over ten years.
 
But there is one aspect of Obamacare that, above all others, will matter to the broadest swath of American voters: the degree to which the law drives up the cost of health insurance. And this is the message that opponents of Obamacare must hammer home.
 
When President Obama was campaigning in 2008, he repeatedly promised that Obamacare would reduce, on an absolute level, Americans’ health premiums. “We’ll start by lowering premiums by as much as $2,500 per family,” candidate Obama said in October of that year.
 
But the opposite has happened. In 2011, the average family health plan cost $15,073, a jump of $1,303 — 9.5 percent — from 2010, the year that the president signed Obamacare into law. Over the same period, median household income increased by only 4 percent, from $49,445 to $51,413. That means that, for the average family in 2011, health premiums amounted to a staggering 29 percent of household income.
 
Imagine if the amount you paid in taxes last year went up by 9 percent, even though your income barely budged. That’s what’s going on with American health insurance under Obamacare, and it’s going to get worse. Why? It all comes down to the economics of insurance.
 

The logic
On the day of the Supreme Court decision, President Obama was ebullient. “Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime limits on the amount of care you receive,” he said. “They can no longer discriminate against children with preexisting conditions. They can no longer drop your coverage if you get sick. They can no longer jack up your premiums without reason. They are required to provide free preventive care like check-ups and mammograms. . . . All of this is happening because of the Affordable Care Act.”
 
But the simplest way to explain the economics of insurance is: There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Every one of those “benefits” that the president touts makes insurance more expensive for the vast majority of Americans.
 
The law’s famous guarantee that you can buy insurance after you’re already sick—the situation otherwise known as “preexisting conditions”—gives Americans a huge incentive to go without insurance until they fall ill. The dirty secret of the law’s individual mandate is that it’s too weak: Millions will decide to pay the $695 fine, knowing they can buy insurance later, instead of ponying up $15,000 for health insurance. Their absence, in turn, will drive adverse selection, the process by which only the sickest people buy insurance, driving premiums to unsustainably high levels.
 
The law’s community-rating provision forces young people to pay far more for health insurance, in order to subsidize the old. This is especially troubling given that the majority of people without insurance are under the age of 35. In some states, young people could see premium increases of as much as 75 percent, encouraging many of them to drop out of the system, thereby increasing costs for those who remains.
 
The law’s requirements that plans cover a government-approved list of “minimum essential benefits” requires that every American will have to pay for things he or she isn’t likely to consume, like acupuncture and substance-abuse services. It’s like going to a restaurant where you’re forced to have a seven-course meal when you would have been just fine with three, and you don’t like salmon anyway.
 
Indeed, by the very act of subsidizing insurance, the law drives up its cost. If you were given a clothes subsidy, would you spend the same amount on clothes as you did before, or splurge from time to time? The laws of economics don’t magically go away when you buy health insurance. One of the costliest aspects of the law is that it requires all plans on the new exchanges to have a generous financial value, called a “minimum actuarial value,” that will force everyone to buy costlier insurance.
 
A tiny minority of people will benefit financially from Obamacare: those who have serious illnesses, who are uninsured today, and who have low-enough incomes to qualify for maximal subsidies. Everyone else will pay more. Jonathan Gruber, an MIT economist who helped design Obamacare, has predicted that individual-market premiums in Colorado will go up by 19 percent by 2016, owing to the Affordable Care Act. And that’s on top of existing health-care inflation. In Minnesota, Gruber projects, premiums will go up by 29 percent because of the law. In Wisconsin, they’ll go up by 30 percent. And remember: It’s not like health insurance is cheap today.
 
The challenge
There are two problems, politically, in explaining these issues to American voters. The first is that these concepts aren’t always the simplest things to explain. But it must be done. After years of conservative legwork, many Americans today understand that raising taxes on the “wealthy” means raising taxes on employers. Similarly, conservatives have to do the legwork of explaining how Obamacare’s nice-sounding insurance regulations are a Trojan horse for higher premiums.
 
The second problem is that the half of Americans who get insurance through their employers don’t get to see how much their insurance costs. We all know what our monthly paychecks look like, but very few of us know how much our employers spend on our health plans. All we know is that we didn’t get a raise last year, or the year before. But that’s what we have to explain to voters: how the rising cost of insurance is soaking up an increasing portion of their wages.
 
Finally, we have to remind voters that conservatives stand for lowering the cost of insurance by removing costly mandates and by giving people freedom to sign up for the insurance plans of their choosing. Candidates for the Senate must bone up on these concepts and explain them as they campaign for office.
 
Health care has long been outside of the Republican comfort zone. We find it easier to talk about taxes and the debt. But if we are to repeal Obamacare and gain a mandate for our own reforms, it’s not enough to say “Obamacare is a government takeover” or “I support Mitt Romney’s plan.” It’s important to explain why Obamacare will make health care more costly, and why free-market reforms are better.
 
If we don’t, we will lose. And if we lose, we will be stuck with Obamacare forever. And, even worse, we will have deserved it.
 
— Avik Roy is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of The Apothecary, the Forbes blog on health-care and entitlement reform. He is a member of Mitt Romney’s Health Care Policy Advisory Group. You can follow him on Twitter at @aviksaroy.
 
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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2012, 06:41:33 AM »

Morning Bell: Too Many Broken Promises in Obamacare


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July 2, 2012 at 8:32 am

 

Yesterday, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) almost called Obamacare’s individual mandate a tax, stopping mid-word to call it a “penalty”. White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew and other spokespersons echoed this talking point. This is in spite of last week’s Supreme Court ruling that deemed the mandate unconstitutional under both the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause, but ruled that it could stand as part of Congress’s authority to “lay and collect taxes.”
 
Dubbing the individual mandate a tax saved the President’s health care law, but it’s a concept that President Obama himself has strongly denied. In a 2009 interview, President Obama argued that his individual mandate was not a tax increase, stating, “I absolutely reject that notion.”
 
But after last week, President Obama must now admit it’s a tax or admit the mandate is unconstitutional. It’s can only be one or the other.
 
The mandate is in fact a tax, and it’s just one of many new taxes that hit the middle class in Obamacare. Lo and behold, another broken promise. President Obama claims that the mandate is holding people responsible, keeping with that spirit, here’s a reminder of the other promises the President and his health care law are responsible for breaking:
 
Promise #1: “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.”
 
Reality: The individual mandate is far from alone on Heritage’s lengthy list of Obamacare’s new taxes and penalties, many of which will heavily impact the middle class. Altogether, Obamacare’s taxes and penalties will accumulate an additional $500 billion in new revenue over a 10-year period. Yesterday, a senior economist for The Wall Street Journal revealed that 75 percent of Obamacare’s new taxes will be paid for by American families making under $120,000 a year. Among the taxes that will hit the middle class are the individual mandate, a 2.3 percent excise tax on medical devices, a 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning, and an increase of the floor on medical deductions from 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income to 10 percent.
 
Promise #2: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period.”
 
Reality: Research continues to show that as many as 30 percent of employers will dump their employees from their existing health care coverage. The Administration itself has admitted that “as a practical matter, a majority of group health plans will lose their grandfather status by 2013.”
 
Promise #3: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits—either now or in the future.”
 
Reality: As Heritage analysts explain, “A close examination of what [the Congressional Budget Office] said, as well as other evidence, makes it clear that the deficit reduction associated with [Obamacare] is based on budget gimmicks, sleights of hand, accounting tricks, and completely implausible assumptions. A more honest accounting reveals the new law as a trillion-dollar budget buster.”
 
Promise #4: “I will protect Medicare.”
 
Reality: A Heritage Factsheet shows the various ways Obamacare ends Medicare as we know it, including severe physician reimbursement cuts that threaten seniors’ access to care and putting an unelected board of bureaucrats in charge of meeting Medicare’s new spending cap.
 
Promise #5: “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
 
Reality: Obamacare does not accomplish universal coverage; it leaves 26 million Americans without insurance. Moreover, Heritage research outlines 12 ways that Obamacare will increase premiums instead of reducing health care costs. Requirements that plans allow young adults to stay on their parents’ coverage and offer preventive services with no cost sharing are already leading to higher growth in premiums.
 
When polled, 70 percent of Americans held an unfavorable view of the individual mandate. It’s doubtful that calling it a “tax” will dramatically change their opinion. Now that Obamacare and its broken promises remain the law of the land, it’s up to the American people to see to it that the law is ultimately repealed by Congress. Then, they can move forward with real reform that puts patients’ needs first.



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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2012, 07:46:53 AM »
Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are gourmet restaurants, nightclubs, fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosi’s district
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller   12:07 AM 05/17/2011



Of the 204 new Obamacare waivers President Barack Obama’s administration approved in April, 38 are for fancy eateries, hip nightclubs and decadent hotels in House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s Northern California district.
 
That’s in addition to the 27 new waivers for health care or drug companies and the 31 new union waivers Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services approved.
 
Pelosi’s district secured almost 20 percent of the latest issuance of waivers nationwide, and the companies that won them didn’t have much in common with companies throughout the rest of the country that have received Obamacare waivers.
 
Other common waiver recipients were labor union chapters, large corporations, financial firms and local governments. But Pelosi’s district’s waivers are the first major examples of luxurious, gourmet restaurants and hotels getting a year-long pass from Obamacare.
 
For instance, Boboquivari’s restaurant in Pelosi’s district in San Francisco got a waiver from Obamacare. Boboquivari’s advertises $59 porterhouse steaks, $39 filet mignons and $35 crab dinners.
 
Then, there’s Café des Amis, which describes its eating experience as “a timeless Parisian style brasserie” which is “located on one of San Francisco’s premier shopping and strolling boulevards, Union Street,” according to the restaurant’s Web site.
 
“Bacchus Management Group, in partnership with Perry Butler, is bringing you that same warm, inviting feeling, with a distinctive San Francisco spin,” the Web site reads. Somehow, though, the San Francisco upper class eatery earned itself a waiver from Obamacare because it apparently cost them too much to meet the law’s first year requirements.
 
The reason the Obama administration says it has given out waivers is to exempt certain companies or policyholders from “annual limit requirements.” The applications for the waivers are “reviewed on a case by case basis by department officials who look at a series of factors including whether or not a premium increase is large or if a significant number of enrollees would lose access to their current plan because the coverage would not be offered in the absence of a waiver.” The waivers don’t allow a company to permanently refrain from implementing Obamacare’s stipulations, but companies can reapply for waivers annually through 2014.
 
Café Mason, a diner near San Francisco’s Union Square, got a waiver too. When The Daily Caller asked the manager about the waiver and how the president’s new sweeping federal health care law was affecting his restaurant, he hung up the phone. The Franciscan Crab restaurant on Fisherman’s Wharf in San Francisco got a waiver. Its menu features entrees ranging from about $15 to $60. The Franciscan’s general manager didn’t return TheDC’s requests for comment.
 
Four-star hotel Campton Place got one too, as did Hotel Nikko San Francisco, which describes itself as “four-diamond luxury in the heart of the city.” Tru Spa, which Allure Magazine rated the “best day spa in San Francisco,” received an Obamacare waiver as well.
 
Before hanging up on TheDC, Tru Spa’s owner said new government health care regulations, both the federal-level Obamacare and new local laws in Northern California, have “devastated” the business. “It’s been bad for us,” he said, without divulging his name, referring to the new health care restrictions.
 
But, the spa owner wouldn’t talk about it or the reason his company sought a waiver. He hung up after saying, “I’ve got clients on the other line, good-bye.”
 
San Francisco Honda, which has two of its three locations in Pelosi’s district, and San Francisco’s Royal Motors Group both got waivers too. Neither called TheDC back.
 
Blue & Gold Fleet, which describes itself as “the Bay Area’s premier provider of Bay Cruise, Ferry Service and Motorcoach Tours,” got an Obamacare waiver approved in April. The tour service company didn’t return TheDC’s requests for comment.
 
Nightclub Infusion Lounge got an Obamacare waiver approved in April too. Infusion Lounge calls itself a “sophisticated nightlife destination” with “Asian inspired sub-rosa lounge, fashioned by Hong Kong’s hottest designer, Kinney Chan,” which makes for a “true ultra lounge catering to both dancing hipsters and young professionals looking to relax in style.” Infusion Lounge’s owners didn’t return TheDC’s requests for comment either.
 
Simco Restaurants and several other affiliated chains based in the area got waivers for their businesses as well. For example, Gordon Yoshida, the manager of memorabilia store Only in San Francisco, told TheDC that Sandra Fletcher of Simco walked him through the process of getting an Obamacare waiver. Fletcher did not return TheDC’s requests for comment.
 
Pelosi’s office did not respond to TheDC’s requests for comment either.
 


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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2012, 07:51:54 AM »
More people would vote Republican if you copied and pasted more articles.

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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2012, 07:54:23 AM »
More people would vote Republican if you copied and pasted more articles.



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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2012, 12:40:28 PM »
How To Convince the Dem/Libs That Gubermint Can't Run Obamacare & Would Screw Up A Wet Dream!







Wal-Mart vs. The Morons

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer, and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen miles of a Wal-Mart.

You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the economy.



a.. The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775. They had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.

b.. Social Security was established in 1935. They had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.

c.. Fannie Mae was established in 1938. They had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.

d.. War on Poverty started in 1964. They had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.

e.. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. They had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.

f.. Freddie Mac was established in 1970. They had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.

g.. The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. They had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

The Guberment FAILED in every "government service" shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??


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The Top Ten Worst Things in Obamacare

By Grace-Marie Turner

June 28, 2012 5:17 P.M.


 





 “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.”

— Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, March 2010
 
Now, all the rest of us are going to find out a lot more about what’s in the 2,700-page health overhaul law.
 
The president now must spend the next four months defending a law that the majority of Americans dislike, and the more they learn about it, the more they dislike it. Worse, the part of the law that is the least popular — the individual mandate — has now been declared a tax.
 
That’s double jeopardy for the president: The unpopular mandate stands, and it is called a tax.  (And this is only one of the 20 new and higher taxes in the law.) Either the president admits it’s a tax as a way of keeping the law on the books, or he says that the Supreme Court is wrong, that it’s not a tax, in which case his law would be invalid.
 
It’s important to note that the Court did not “uphold Obamacare.” Two specific provisions were being challenged before the Court — the individual mandate and the Medicaid expansion. If either had been struck, then the Court could have decided whether or not to take down the whole law.
 
Instead, it reached a very narrow decision. The individual mandate is valid as a tax, says the Court. Now, otherwise free citizens will be required to spend our own personal, after-tax money to purchase an expensive private product — $20,000 a year for an average family — or pay a tax.  And the Court said the federal government can tell states to dramatically expand their Medicaid programs but that they can’t be coerced with the threat of losing all of their federal Medicaid money if they refuse.
 
So let’s get ready for the debate. About seven in ten Americans had told pollsters they wanted the Supreme Court to strike down all or part of the health overhaul law. Since it didn’t do that, we all must be armed with the facts as the battles continue at least into November so the voters can issue the final verdict.
 
Here’s a quick checklist of the ten worst things in the law — in addition to the individual and Medicaid mandates:
 
1. Employer mandate. Most companies will have to provide and pay for expensive government-determined health insurance for their employees or face federal fines.
 
2. Anti-conscience mandate. Religious organizations will be required to provide free sterilization, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs to their employees, even if it violates their religious beliefs.
 
3. New and higher taxes.The law contains at least 20 new taxes totaling $500 billion that will hit medical innovators, health insurance, and even the sale of your home.
 
4. The Independent Payment Advisory Board. IPAB will still stand, with its rationing power over Medicare.
 
5. State exchanges. States will be compelled to set up vast new bureaucracies to check into our finances and families so they can hand out generous taxpayer subsidies for health insurance to families earning up to $90,000 a year.
 
6. Medicare payment cuts. $575 billion in payment reductions to Medicare providers and Medicare Advantage plans will cause more and more physicians to stop seeing Medicare patients, exacerbating access problems.
 
7. Higher health-care costs. The Kaiser Family Foundation says the average price of a family policy has risen by $2,200 during the Obama administration. The president promised premiums would be $2,500 lower by this year. Hospitals, doctors, businesses, and consumers all expect their taxes and health costs to rise under Obamacare.
 
8. Government control over doctor decisions.Value-based payments, quality reporting requirements, and government comparative-effectiveness boards will dictate how doctors practice medicine. Nearly half of all physicians are seriously considering leaving practice, leading to a severe doctor shortage.
 
9. Huge deficits. The CBO has raised its cost estimate for the law to $1.76 trillion over ten years, but that is only the opening bid as more and more people lose their job-based coverage and flood into taxpayer-subsidized insurance. At this rate, the cost will be $2 trillion, not the less than $1 trillion the president promised.
 
10. 159 new boards, agencies, and programs: The Obama administration will work quickly to set up as many of the law’s new bureaucracies as fast as it can so they can take root before the election.
 
The November elections are the last hope — we must elect a Congress and a president committed to repealing Obamacare. They, and all of us, will need to be armed with the facts to explain to the American people exactly what is in this monstrous law.
 
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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2012, 06:57:13 PM »
Is the internet unconstitutional?

I can't find the word in there.

Thanks.

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Doctors Despair Over Obamacare
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Posted on July 1, 2012 9:31:52 PM EDT by Dysart

The Doctor Patient Medical Association Foundation conducted a faxed survey of random doctors in May 2012. In the survey, it is clearly delineated that the medical system as it is changing is discouraging doctors from practicing. 83% of the doctors said that current changes made them think about quitting, and 90% of them thought the path of the medical field currently was wrong.

They apparently feel that their Hippocratic oaths are being compromised; 61% of them feel that Hippocratic ethics are getting more difficult to practice, which is troubling, since one of the cardinal parts of the oath is the phrase “I will keep them from harm and injustice.”

85% of the doctors surveyed felt that the patient-physician relationship is declining. 37% of the doctors said they were just squeaking by, and 39% said things would get worse over the next five years.

The doctors were virtually unanimous that the government is at fault for medicine being on the wrong track, and feel that corporate medicine is trying to destroy private practice.

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2012, 08:38:22 PM »
You are an embarrassingly stupid individual. No wonder you fled to China. That $400 monthly stipend must have looked like a fortune to someone of your intellectual strength.

I wonder if it's just an act he puts on? ???

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2012, 08:57:18 PM »
Roberts is a traitor and should resign his seat immediately. 

goes to show you who the real partisan is......I guess all judges should rule the way you want them to or else they are "traitors who should resign".

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« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2012, 08:59:00 PM »
goes to show you who the real partisan is......I guess all judges should rule the way you want them to or else they are "traitors who should resign".

STFU 95er.    Roberta violated hisoath of office as does slumbama daily.