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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #125 on: July 24, 2012, 10:23:55 AM »
When has she ever had anyone on that didn't dove-tail with her political views? She is smart, no doubt about it, but come on now.

Her little ads on MSNBC are a joke, especially the ones in front of the Hoover Dam. 

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #126 on: July 24, 2012, 10:24:12 AM »

Simpletons like 180 and Andre always fall for the latest Obama shell game like this.  Obama relys on thee gullible dupes because he knows that you can always fool some of the people all of the time. 

His base of choomers, dope addicts, communists, gays, racist minorities, public sector goons, guilt ridden white yuppies, and other fringe elements are what keeps him at 40-45%   

It's true his base will support him no matter what.  It's almost comical to hear Obama say or do some truly asinine things and watch his base fall right in line like little parrots.  

That said, I know a lot of smart people who are still supporting him, probably because they are just diehard liberals.  

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #127 on: July 24, 2012, 10:26:15 AM »
When has she ever had anyone on that didn't dove-tail with her political views? She is smart, no doubt about it, but come on now.

Maddow is annoying as piss is warm...

but when she has a point to make, she completely covers every angle and is the master of "gotcha" points where a candidate owns himself.

She is very smart.  I can say Ed schultz is very dim.  Chris mathews used to be very smart, has lost it with age.  Andrea mitchell very shrewd.  contessa is clueless.  most of the men on msnbc are clueless and emotional as the say is long.

maddow is a smart cookie.  She was an example, for 33 to say "No, I believe joe the plumber is more intelligent than her".

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #128 on: July 24, 2012, 10:28:28 AM »
It's true his base will support him no matter what.  It's almost comical to hear Obama say or do some truly asinine things and watch his base fall right in line like little parrots.  

That said, I know a lot of smart people who are still supporting him, probably because they are just diehard liberals.  

I keep telling you - your assessment of these people being smart is flat wrong.   I know you are friends with them, but for fucks' sake, would you call the captain of a cruise ship who just hit a rock backing up in order to hit the rock again smart? 

No, face it - your friends are fools.   

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #129 on: July 24, 2012, 10:39:09 AM »
I keep telling you - your assessment of these people being smart is flat wrong.   I know you are friends with them, but for fucks' sake, would you call the captain of a cruise ship who just hit a rock backing up in order to hit the rock again smart? 

No, face it - your friends are fools.   

Nah.  It's willful ignorance.  One of them just told me the other day to stop talking about politics.  lol.  They just plug their ears. 

Smart people do dumb things sometimes. 

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #130 on: July 24, 2012, 10:42:32 AM »
Nah.  It's willful ignorance.  One of them just told me the other day to stop talking about politics.  lol.  They just plug their ears. 

Smart people do dumb things sometimes. 

Exactly - so they are not smart.  Someone who is smart recognizes they made a mistake and adjusts accordingly, not go back for seconds. 

You see the same traits of stupidity and incompetence on this site by people like andre, vince , benny, gaybear, straw, etc.

does this remind you of anyone?
________________________ _______________________

 
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency.

It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #131 on: July 24, 2012, 10:46:01 AM »
Exactly - so they are not smart.  Someone who is smart recognizes they made a mistake and adjusts accordingly, not go back for seconds. 

You see the same traits of stupidity and incompetence on this site by people like andre, vince , benny, gaybear, straw, etc.

does this remind you of anyone?
________________________ _______________________

 
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency.

It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."


They just have a different opinion than me.  That doesn't make them dumb.  I had a very long discussion with one of my best friends the other day.  He's married to an Obamabot, but he's an independent like me.  He was spouting the Obama talking points like crazy.  I think part of his stance is based on trying to keep peace in his house.   :) 

You really think everyone who still supports Obama is stupid?

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #132 on: July 24, 2012, 10:49:53 AM »
They just have a different opinion than me.  That doesn't make them dumb.  I had a very long discussion with one of my best friends the other day.  He's married to an Obamabot, but he's an independent like me.  He was spouting the Obama talking points like crazy.  I think part of his stance is based on trying to keep peace in his house.   :) 

You really think everyone who still supports Obama is stupid?

I would say 65% at least since most of those supporting him are doing so based on a false narrative and total lies they have bought in to about this communist freak show.

The other 35% are corrupt and/or directly benefit from obama's pilfering the treasury w his socialism.

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #133 on: July 24, 2012, 11:02:05 AM »
Nearly one in 10 employers to drop health coverage
 The Washington Times ^ | July 24, 2012 | Paige Winfield Cunningham


Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012



About one in 10 employers plan to drop health coverage when key provisions of the new health care law kick in less than two years from now, according to a survey to be released Tuesday by the consulting company Deloitte.

Nine percent of companies said they expect to stop offering coverage to their workers in the next one to three years, the Wall Street Journal reported. Around 81 percent said they would continue providing benefits and 10 percent said they weren't sure.

The companies, though, said a lot will depend on how future provisions of the law unfold, since most of the key parts are scheduled to take effect in 2014. One in three respondents said they could stop offering coverage if the law requires them to provide more generous benefits than they do now, if a tax on high-cost plans takes effect in 2018 as scheduled or if they decide it would be cheaper for them to pay the penalty for not providing insurance.

While small business don't face fines for failing to offer coverage, companies with 50 or more full time employees face a penalty starting at $2,000 per worker.


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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #134 on: July 24, 2012, 12:05:58 PM »
I would say 65% at least since most of those supporting him are doing so based on a false narrative and total lies they have bought in to about this communist freak show.

The other 35% are corrupt and/or directly benefit from obama's pilfering the treasury w his socialism.

I think it's more along the lines of buying into a false narrative.  They really have to ignore a lot to be a supporter.   

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2012, 12:08:31 PM »
I think it's more along the lines of buying into a false narrative.  They really have to ignore a lot to be a supporter.   

Correct - its not that don't know anything, the problem is that what they think they "know" is total bs. 

He check this out.  LOL. 

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #136 on: July 24, 2012, 12:21:31 PM »
Correct - its not that don't know anything, the problem is that what they think they "know" is total bs. 

He check this out.  LOL. 

lol.  That's actually pretty mild  No death threats?  Hoping someone dies? 

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #137 on: July 24, 2012, 01:23:02 PM »
CBO to employers: Obamacare has $4B more in taxes than expected

July 24, 2012
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Business owners will pay $4 billion more in taxes under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA)  than the Congressional Budget Office had previously expected.

“According to the updated estimates, the amount of deficit reduction from penalty payments and other effects on tax revenues under the ACA will be $5 billion more than previously estimated,” the CBO reported today. “That change primarily effects a $4 billion increase in collections from such payments by employers, a $1 billion increase in such payments by individuals, and an increase of less than $500 million in tax revenues stemming from a small reduction in employment-based coverage, which will lead to a larger share of total compensation taking the form of taxable wages and salaries and a smaller share taking the form of nontaxable health benefits.”
 
In short, CBO revised the Obamacare tax burden upward by $4 billion for businesses and $1 billion to $1.5 billion for individual workers.
 
CBO couldn’t help but bump into Chief Justice John Roberts controversial decision uphold the individual mandate as a constitutional exercise of Congress’s taxing power. The report dubs the individual mandate a “penalty tax” — that is, “a penalty paid to the Treasury by taxpayers when they file their tax returns and enforced by the Internal Revenue Service.”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/cbo-to-employers-obamacare-has-4b-more-in-taxes-than-expected/article/2503013






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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #138 on: July 24, 2012, 04:32:07 PM »
Nonpartisan budget office says Obama’s health law still reduces deficit, fewer will be covered

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul will shrink rather than increase the nation’s huge federal deficits over the next decade, Congress’ nonpartisan budget scorekeepers said Tuesday, supporting Obama’s contention in a major election-year dispute with Republicans.

About 3 million fewer uninsured people will gain health coverage because of last month’s Supreme Court ruling granting states more leeway, and that will cut the federal costs by $84 billion, the Congressional Budget Office said in the biggest changes from earlier estimates.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nonpartisan-budget-office-says-obamas-health-law-still-reduces-deficit-fewer-will-be-covered/2012/07/24/gJQAHMj26W_story.html
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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2012, 07:45:34 AM »
Nonpartisan budget office says Obama’s health law still reduces deficit, fewer will be covered

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul will shrink rather than increase the nation’s huge federal deficits over the next decade, Congress’ nonpartisan budget scorekeepers said Tuesday, supporting Obama’s contention in a major election-year dispute with Republicans.

About 3 million fewer uninsured people will gain health coverage because of last month’s Supreme Court ruling granting states more leeway, and that will cut the federal costs by $84 billion, the Congressional Budget Office said in the biggest changes from earlier estimates.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nonpartisan-budget-office-says-obamas-health-law-still-reduces-deficit-fewer-will-be-covered/2012/07/24/gJQAHMj26W_story.html

good post...the problem is WE know this but Obama and his people seem not to...they are the worst I have ever seen at touting themselves and all the good things they've done

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2012, 09:04:23 AM »
good post...the problem is WE know this but Obama and his people seem not to...they are the worst I have ever seen at touting themselves and all the good things they've done

To many FOX viewers in this country

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2012, 10:30:59 PM »
There are plenty of people who have graduated college that are no smarter than the day they entered.   

Obama has a JD and is perhaps on the most legally illiterate attorneys I have EVER witnessed.  He could not even handle negotiating a traffic ticket if he had to. 


these statements are so ironic and self-owning, it's amazing!

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #142 on: July 26, 2012, 05:58:13 AM »
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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #144 on: July 26, 2012, 07:10:04 PM »
University kills insurance plan for students over Obamacare provisions
Campus Reform ^
Posted on July 26, 2012 1:45:40 PM EDT by oliverdarcy

A Lutheran University in Minnesota has announced they will cancel a voluntary insurance plan for students rather than comply with a recent Health and Human Services (HHS) mandate.

In a letter to the campus community, vice president of Gustavus Adolphus College cited an unspecified HHS mandate as the reason for cutting students from the service.

“Recent changes to student health plan regulations and the Affordable Care Act issued by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) have resulted in our reconsideration of offering a voluntary health plan to Gustavus students,” wrote JoNes VanHecke in a letter recently forwarded to Campus Reform by a student. “The result is that Gustavus will discontinue offering any health care coverage for students,” said VanHecke.

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #145 on: July 26, 2012, 07:15:24 PM »
Serious question, how does Obama care provide access to health care? Only thing I see it doing is providing/forcing access to health insurance
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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #146 on: July 27, 2012, 03:07:28 PM »
Nonpartisan budget office says Obama’s health law still reduces deficit, fewer will be covered

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul will shrink rather than increase the nation’s huge federal deficits over the next decade, Congress’ nonpartisan budget scorekeepers said Tuesday, supporting Obama’s contention in a major election-year dispute with Republicans.

About 3 million fewer uninsured people will gain health coverage because of last month’s Supreme Court ruling granting states more leeway, and that will cut the federal costs by $84 billion, the Congressional Budget Office said in the biggest changes from earlier estimates.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nonpartisan-budget-office-says-obamas-health-law-still-reduces-deficit-fewer-will-be-covered/2012/07/24/gJQAHMj26W_story.html

Bump for the repub who have been attacking Obama 24/7

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #147 on: July 27, 2012, 03:09:08 PM »
Serious question, how does Obama care provide access to health care? Only thing I see it doing is providing/forcing access to health insurance

Yep but know people can seek help without fear of going bancrupt.

That way they catch more health dangers before they develops and therefore saves us health care bills in the long run.

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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #148 on: July 27, 2012, 07:54:11 PM »
An Indiana-based medical equipment manufacturer says it's scrapping plans to open five new plants in the coming years because of a looming tax tied to President Obama's health care overhaul law. 

Cook Medical claims the tax on medical devices, set to take effect next year, will cost the company roughly $20 million a year, cutting into money that would otherwise go toward expanding into new facilities over the next five years. 

"This is the equivalent of about a plant a year that we're not going to be able to build," a company spokesman told FoxNews.com. 

He said the original plan was to build factories in "hard-pressed" Midwestern communities, each employing up to 300 people. But those factories cost roughly the same amount as the projected cost of the new tax. 

"In reality, we're not looking at the U.S. to build factories anymore as long as this tax is in place. We can't, to be competitive," he said.

Company executive Pete Yonkman first revealed the scuttled plans in an interview with the Indianapolis Business Journal. The company later confirmed the decision to FoxNews.com. 

The Affordable Care Act imposed a 2.3 percent tax on medical devices beginning in 2013. It is projected raise nearly $30 billion over the next decade. 

But the Cook Medical spokesman said the impact is greater than just a 2.3 percent uptick in taxes. He said the impact on actual earnings is another 15 percent, and he projected the company's total tax burden next year will rise to over 50 percent. 

Republicans and medical device makers have been railing against the tax all along, with the GOP-controlled House approving a bill last month to repeal it. The Senate, though, hasn't taken it up. 

A recent study by the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, though, said the complaints by the industry are exaggerated. 

"The tax will not cause manufacturers to shift production overseas.  The tax applies equally to imported and domestically produced devices, and devices produced in the United States for export are tax-exempt," the study said. It also said repealing the tax would "undercut health reform" by requiring Congress to offset the repeal by potentially killing spending provisions in the law and by potentially encouraging similar repeals. 

Cook Medical is part of a family of companies that produce medical devices for surgery, obstetrics, gynecology and other fields.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/27/indiana-company-scraps-plans-for-expansion-over-obamacare-device-tax




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Re: Bottom Line on Obamacare
« Reply #149 on: July 28, 2012, 05:33:53 AM »
Yep but know people can seek help without fear of going bancrupt.

That way they catch more health dangers before they develops and therefore saves us health care bills in the long run.

Do you really believe that?
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