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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #75 on: July 06, 2012, 05:00:47 AM »


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Mitt Romney attracting 47% of the vote, while President Obama earns 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

Last week, the president received an immediate bounce following the Supreme Court ruling on his health care law. On the night of the ruling, the single night poll results were by far the best recorded for Obama in many months. Over the past few days, the numbers have returned to where they’ve been for most of the past month—Romney up slightly among likely voters in a very close race.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #76 on: July 06, 2012, 05:48:21 AM »
the trend has been very clear - and repubs are starting to notice too.

Mitt has an historic opportunity here.  An incumbent in a great depression who shoved obamacare down throats.

yet he isn't gaining ground - he is (provably) losing ground now.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #77 on: July 06, 2012, 05:53:37 AM »
the trend has been very clear - and repubs are starting to notice too.

Mitt has an historic opportunity here.  An incumbent in a great depression who shoved obamacare down throats.

yet he isn't gaining ground - he is (provably) losing ground now.

He is winning   51 - 43 in the swing states as of today. 

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #78 on: July 06, 2012, 05:55:30 AM »
He is winning   51 - 43 in the swing states as of today. 

eh, there was a quinnipiac poll saying exactly the opposite all over msnbc yesterday.   

What does RCP - the most reliable site for this - say about swing states?  And why isn't nate 538 on this?

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2012, 03:45:07 PM »
Back to a clean sweep for Obama.
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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #80 on: July 10, 2012, 10:08:30 AM »
Back to a clean sweep for Obama.

Ras up by three

Tied in gallup

Up in wash Times

Tied in ABC/WAPO poll in poll oversampled demos by 9 points. 





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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #81 on: July 10, 2012, 10:34:59 AM »
Romney Extends Lead Among Independents to 14 percent
 examiner.com ^ | JULY 10, 2012 | DAN SPENCER


Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:17:51 PM by BarnacleCenturion

In the new ABC News/Washington Post poll, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney extends his lead among Independents to 14 points, 53-39 percent.


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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #82 on: July 13, 2012, 08:20:38 AM »
Ras up by three

Tied in gallup

Up in wash Times

Tied in ABC/WAPO poll in poll oversampled demos by 9 points. 


Ras got Obama up and so does Gallup up by 3....





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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #83 on: July 13, 2012, 09:04:53 AM »

Learn 2 quote! You always fuck your quotes up and it pisses me off!

That is all.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2012, 05:56:24 AM »
The sweep is back.....Obama leading in Ras and Gallup poll....guess the people wanna see those tax records
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2012, 11:47:56 AM »
The sweep is back.....Obama leading in Ras and Gallup poll....guess the people wanna see those tax records
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

the issue will be out of the headlines in a week, i'm told.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2012, 11:00:29 AM »
The sweep is back.....Obama leading in Ras and Gallup poll....guess the people wanna see those tax records
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Do you even look at these links?  There is no "clean sweep."  This race is a dead heat.  Given the margin of error, which is usually around 3 percent or so, they are tied. 

The RCP average is 45.9 Obama, 44.8, Romney.  That's a tie. 
Rass is 46 Romney, 43 Obama.  That's probably within the margin of error, so effectively a tie.
Gallup is 46 Obama, 45 Romney.  A tie.
Fox is 45 Obama, 41 Romney.  Might be just outside the margin of error.
CBS is 47 Romney, 46 Obama.  A tie.
NPR is 47 Obama, 45 Romney.  Another tie.  Etc., etc. 

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »
Do you even look at these links?  There is no "clean sweep."  This race is a dead heat.  Given the margin of error, which is usually around 3 percent or so, they are tied. 

The RCP average is 45.9 Obama, 44.8, Romney.  That's a tie. 
Rass is 46 Romney, 43 Obama.  That's probably within the margin of error, so effectively a tie.
Gallup is 46 Obama, 45 Romney.  A tie.
Fox is 45 Obama, 41 Romney.  Might be just outside the margin of error.
CBS is 47 Romney, 46 Obama.  A tie.
NPR is 47 Obama, 45 Romney.  Another tie.  Etc., etc. 



In a tie situation.....Obama wins.  Romney isn't pulling ahead and hasn't pulled ahead....


We already knew the election would be close but Obama has been on all accounts and if the election was held today, Obama would get 332 electoral votes to Romney's 212.....


Romney has to do better period or he is certain to lose
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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2012, 03:53:19 PM »

In a tie situation.....Obama wins.  Romney isn't pulling ahead and hasn't pulled ahead....


We already knew the election would be close but Obama has been on all accounts and if the election was held today, Obama would get 332 electoral votes to Romney's 212.....


Romney has to do better period or he is certain to lose

If you look at history, that's not accurate.  A challenger facing an incumbent has been trailing at this point in the election.  In addition to that, if you look at how much cover the media gives Obama and how much money Obama has already spent on negative ads, and they're still tied, that shows Romney is in pretty good shape.   

Also, undecided voters will break largely for the challenger, especially in this kind of economic climate. 

In any event, the "clean sweep" claim is not correct.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2012, 04:22:19 PM »
 :).  I think that once the polls start using only likley voters will we get a better picture, but if we get 5 more bad jobs reports as expected obama is done.   His approval in the mid forties is terrible for an incumbent. 

W only sqeeked by because he turned the wot into a positive for himself. 

Obama has no issue to turn into a positive that voters will be thrilled about to give him four more years to destroy this country.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2012, 04:27:40 PM »
:).  I think that once the polls start using only likley voters will we get a better picture, but if we get 5 more bad jobs reports as expected obama is done.   His approval in the mid forties is terrible for an incumbent. 

W only sqeeked by because he turned the wot into a positive for himself. 

Obama has no issue to turn into a positive that voters will be thrilled about to give him four more years to destroy this country.

I agree with this.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2012, 04:56:40 PM »
romney has lost his top 3 issues - DREAM, obamacare, and his busines experience to brag about.

what is he going to talk about now?

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2012, 05:12:39 PM »
romney has lost his top 3 issues - DREAM, obamacare, and his busines experience to brag about.

what is he going to talk about now?

his wife's horse is going to be in the Olympics

I'm sure that will help him relate to middle american swing voters

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2012, 05:24:53 PM »
his wife's horse is going to be in the Olympics

I'm sure that will help him relate to middle american swing voters

One of my 5 fish from Pet Kingdom is very fast.  Slow one is named Piper... and the fast one is "Hyper". 

I feel like Mitt and I are old buddies.

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« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2012, 09:25:48 PM »
romney has lost his top 3 issues - DREAM, obamacare, and his busines experience to brag about.

what is he going to talk about now?

Thanks to Obama, he can talk about how small businesses are under assault by a guy who thinks that entreprneurs didn't really build their businesses. All this money Obama has blown on negative ads (he's in the red and isn't raising anywhere near the money he expected) and he's still tied with Romney.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #95 on: July 24, 2012, 05:02:46 AM »
you set very low expectations for romney.

he's up against a prez that historically is AWFUL.  and just like when he underperformed against clods like Perry and newt and CAIN, he's underperforming again.

We know Jeb wouldn't be tied right now ;)  he'd be up by 8 points in every poll. 

So yes, romney is underachieving.

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #96 on: July 24, 2012, 04:34:07 PM »
Undecided Lean To Insurgent

With most current presidential polls of likely voters showing 9 percent to 10 percent undecided, the question of where the undecided votes go becomes of paramount importance.

To answer this question, I compared the final Gallup polls with the actual results in every race in which an incumbent president was opposing an insurgent since 1964. This included the Johnson-Goldwater race of 1964, the Nixon-McGovern race of 1972, the Carter-Ford race of 1976, the Reagan-Carter-Anderson race of 1980, the Reagan-Mondale race of 1984, the Clinton-Bush-Perot race of 1992, the Clinton-Dole race of 1996 and the Bush-Kerry race of 2004.

In these races, the undecided vote went heavily for the insurgent and the incumbent lost vote share between the final poll and the election, even when the incumbent was winning the contest easily overall. Six of eight presidents seeking reelection performed worse than the final Gallup poll predicted, while one finished the same (Reagan in 1984) and one gained votes (Bush in 2004). Seven of the nine insurgent candidates did better than the final Gallup survey predicted.

• In 1964, Johnson lost 3 points to Goldwater at the end.

• In 1972, Nixon lost 1 point to a third-party candidate.

• In 1976, there was a 4-point swing to Carter.

• In 1980, there was a 3-point swing to Reagan or Anderson.

• In 1984, there was no change between the final poll and the results.

• In 1992, there was a 1-point shift away from Bush. In that contest, there was also a 5-point swing away from Clinton to Perot at the end.

• In 1996, there was a 5-point swing away from Clinton and to Dole or Perot.

• Only Bush in 2004 ran better in the result than in the final poll, by 
2 points.

In other words, of the total of 
19 points that shifted between the final poll and the election results, 17 points or 89 percent went to the challenger.

The implications of these findings are that the current polls, while seemingly close, portend a strong Republican victory. The RealClearPolitics.com average of the past eight presidential horse race polls shows Obama with a 47-44 lead over Romney. But among likely voters, in the Rasmussen survey (all others were of either registered voters or adults), the president was running behind Romney by 48-44.

But given the historical fact that the final results are almost always worse for the president and almost never better, we really need to focus on the Obama vote share rather than his lead or lack of one against Romney. If Obama is, indeed, getting 44 percent of the vote, he is likely facing, at least, an 11-point loss. If he is getting 47 percent of the vote, he is looking, at least, at a 6-point defeat. (Given the fact that six of the eight incumbent presidents not only lost the undecided, but finished lower than the pre-election survey predicted, it would be more likely that Obama’s margin of defeat would be greater than even these numbers suggest.)

There are other indications of a Republican landslide in the offing. Party identification has moved a net of eight points toward the GOP since the last election. In Senate races, there are currently eight Democratic-held seats where Republicans are now leading either the Democratic incumbent or the Democratic candidate for the open seat.

The predictions of a close election are all based on polling of registered voters — not likely voters — and fail to account for the shift in votes against the incumbent that has been the norm of the past presidential contests.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/18/undecided_lean_to_insurgent_113883.html

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #97 on: July 24, 2012, 05:20:41 PM »
Undecided Lean To Insurgent

With most current presidential polls of likely voters showing 9 percent to 10 percent undecided, the question of where the undecided votes go becomes of paramount importance.

To answer this question, I compared the final Gallup polls with the actual results in every race in which an incumbent president was opposing an insurgent since 1964. This included the Johnson-Goldwater race of 1964, the Nixon-McGovern race of 1972, the Carter-Ford race of 1976, the Reagan-Carter-Anderson race of 1980, the Reagan-Mondale race of 1984, the Clinton-Bush-Perot race of 1992, the Clinton-Dole race of 1996 and the Bush-Kerry race of 2004.

In these races, the undecided vote went heavily for the insurgent and the incumbent lost vote share between the final poll and the election, even when the incumbent was winning the contest easily overall. Six of eight presidents seeking reelection performed worse than the final Gallup poll predicted, while one finished the same (Reagan in 1984) and one gained votes (Bush in 2004). Seven of the nine insurgent candidates did better than the final Gallup survey predicted.

• In 1964, Johnson lost 3 points to Goldwater at the end.

• In 1972, Nixon lost 1 point to a third-party candidate.

• In 1976, there was a 4-point swing to Carter.

• In 1980, there was a 3-point swing to Reagan or Anderson.

• In 1984, there was no change between the final poll and the results.

• In 1992, there was a 1-point shift away from Bush. In that contest, there was also a 5-point swing away from Clinton to Perot at the end.

• In 1996, there was a 5-point swing away from Clinton and to Dole or Perot.

• Only Bush in 2004 ran better in the result than in the final poll, by 
2 points.

In other words, of the total of 
19 points that shifted between the final poll and the election results, 17 points or 89 percent went to the challenger.

The implications of these findings are that the current polls, while seemingly close, portend a strong Republican victory. The RealClearPolitics.com average of the past eight presidential horse race polls shows Obama with a 47-44 lead over Romney. But among likely voters, in the Rasmussen survey (all others were of either registered voters or adults), the president was running behind Romney by 48-44.

But given the historical fact that the final results are almost always worse for the president and almost never better, we really need to focus on the Obama vote share rather than his lead or lack of one against Romney. If Obama is, indeed, getting 44 percent of the vote, he is likely facing, at least, an 11-point loss. If he is getting 47 percent of the vote, he is looking, at least, at a 6-point defeat. (Given the fact that six of the eight incumbent presidents not only lost the undecided, but finished lower than the pre-election survey predicted, it would be more likely that Obama’s margin of defeat would be greater than even these numbers suggest.)

There are other indications of a Republican landslide in the offing. Party identification has moved a net of eight points toward the GOP since the last election. In Senate races, there are currently eight Democratic-held seats where Republicans are now leading either the Democratic incumbent or the Democratic candidate for the open seat.

The predictions of a close election are all based on polling of registered voters — not likely voters — and fail to account for the shift in votes against the incumbent that has been the norm of the past presidential contests.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/18/undecided_lean_to_insurgent_113883.html

Very important point.  The toe sucker (Dick Morris) has been saying this recently. 

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2012, 10:18:19 AM »
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General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Gallup Tracking

Obama 45, Romney 46

Romney +1



General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Rasmussen Tracking

Obama 44, Romney 47

Romney +3

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Re: Clean Sweep For Obama In All Polls...Including Rasmussen 3333386
« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2012, 08:49:17 AM »
Rasmussen: Daily Presidential Tracking Poll (Romney +5)
 Rasmussen Reports ^ | 7/27/2012 | Rasmussen Reports



The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting 49% of the vote, while President Obama earns support from 44%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

The numbers are similar to the 49% to 43% advantage Romney enjoys on the question of who is trusted more to handle the economy.


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