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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/us/politics/some-states-reluctant-over-medicaid-expansion.html?_r=1&hp



You morons cheering on this insanity have no idea how bad this is.   The states are already broke and this Thug in the WH thinks the answer is to saddle the states w more unfunded liabilities? 

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Reluctance in Some States Over Medicaid Expansion
 
By ROBERT PEAR and MICHAEL COOPER

 

WASHINGTON — Millions of poor people could still be left without medical insurance under the national health care law if states take an option granted by the Supreme Court and decide not to expand their Medicaid programs, state officials and health policy experts said Friday.

Republican officials in more than a half-dozen states said they opposed expanding Medicaid or had serious doubts about it, even though the federal government would pick up all the costs in the first few years and at least 90 percent of the expenses after that.

While upholding the most hotly debated part of the health care overhaul law — a requirement that most Americans have health insurance or pay a penalty — the Supreme Court said in its ruling on Thursday that states did not have to expand Medicaid as Congress had intended — leaving a huge question mark over the law’s mechanism for providing coverage to 17 million of the poorest people.

In writing the law, Congress assumed that the poorest uninsured people would gain coverage through Medicaid, while many people with higher incomes would receive federal subsidies to buy private insurance. Now, poor people who live in a state that refuses to expand its Medicaid program will find themselves in a predicament, unable to obtain either Medicaid or subsidies.

That potential gap will probably lead to ferocious statehouse battles in the coming year, as states weigh whether to accept billions of dollars in federal aid to pay for expanded coverage. The health care industry, sensing the skepticism in some states, is preparing a campaign to persuade state officials to accept the money for coverage of the uninsured.

But already, governors in Kansas, Nebraska and South Carolina, among other states, have said they would have difficulty affording even the comparatively small share of costs that states would eventually have to pay.

Gov. Dave Heineman of Nebraska, a Republican who is chairman of the National Governors Association, indicated that he was against expanding Medicaid eligibility.

“As I have said repeatedly, if this unfunded Medicaid expansion is implemented, state aid to education and funding for the University of Nebraska will be cut or taxes will be increased,” Mr. Heineman said.

In South Carolina, Rob Godfrey, a spokesman for Gov. Nikki R. Haley, said, “We’re not going to shove more South Carolinians into a broken system that further ties our hands when we know the best way to find South Carolina solutions for South Carolina health problems is through the flexibility that block grants provide.”

In New Hampshire, State Representative Andrew J. Manuse said he and other Republicans were already working to block the expansion of Medicaid. “We can’t afford it,” Mr. Manuse said. “It’s as simple as that. Thank God the Supreme Court gave us an option.”

Obama administration officials played down such concerns. Michael Hash, a senior official at the federal Department of Health and Human Services, said he believed that all states would eventually decide to expand Medicaid. Democratic governors like Pat Quinn in Illinois and Christine Gregoire in Washington welcomed the opportunity to help more of their constituents through Medicaid.

Republican governors in Wisconsin and Louisiana said they would wait to see the results of November’s elections before deciding whether to expand Medicaid, in the hope that Mitt Romney will be elected president and undo the health care law. “That’s why we have refused to implement the Obamacare health exchange or the Medicaid expansion,” said Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.

Under the law, subsidies are available to people with incomes from the poverty level up to four times that amount, but not to people with incomes below the poverty level ($23,050 for a family of four).

The federal government would initially pay all the cost of expanding Medicaid to 133 percent of the poverty level. The state share would slowly rise to 10 percent of the cost by 2020.

“Because the expansion is such a good deal for states, they should move forward and cover low-income adults in their states,” said Judith Solomon, a health policy analyst at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal-leaning research and advocacy group. “But what happens in states that do not go ahead and provide coverage? The poorest adults — primarily parents and other adults working for low wages — will be left out in the cold.”

While states typically leapt at such offers of federal largess in the past, a growing number of Republicans have declined federal aid in recent years — turning down billions of dollars in federal money to build railroads in Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida, for instance, and initially balking at accepting some of the money in the 2009 stimulus law.

In Ohio, where Gov. John R. Kasich has expressed concern about the added health care costs, officials said that they were anticipating higher Medicaid expenses quite apart from the expansion in eligibility. The new requirement for people to have health insurance, they said, could bring several hundred thousand people who are already eligible for Medicaid into the state’s program, at a cost of $940 million in the first two years.

Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor, a Republican who is director of the Ohio Department of Insurance, said in an interview that even though the federal government would pick up all of the costs in the first few years of expanded coverage, “our concern is we can’t make decisions for the short term.”

And in New Jersey, Gov. Chris Christie, a Republican, called the ruling giving states the choice of whether to expand Medicaid “a ray of sunshine in an otherwise cloudy day.”

Another Republican governor, Phil Bryant of Mississippi, also cast doubt on the expansion, saying. “I would resist any expansion of Medicaid that could result in significant tax increases or dramatic cuts to education, public safety and job creation.”

Health care providers who treat low-income patients strongly support the expansion of coverage.

Richard J. Umbdenstock, the president of the American Hospital Association, said that hospitals around the country would lobby for the Medicaid expansion. “If states do not avail themselves of this opportunity,” he said, “the federal money will go to other states, and hospitals will be left with large numbers of the uninsured.”

Nancy M. Schlichting, chief executive of the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, said she “absolutely will lobby” for the expansion of Medicaid. She said she expected Gov. Rick Snyder, a Republican, to support the expansion, but she added, “he may have trouble” getting it through the Michigan Legislature.

Congress has repeatedly expanded Medicaid in the last 25 years, and states often had new sources of revenue, like money from the settlement of lawsuits against major tobacco companies. “But this time is different,” said Dennis G. Smith, secretary of the Wisconsin Department of Health Services. “Virtually all states are struggling to sustain their current Medicaid programs.”

Illinois, facing severe financial problems, has already delayed Medicaid payments to some health care providers.

“Many hospitals are not being paid for six months or more after they provide services and file claims,” said Danny Chun, a spokesman for the Illinois Hospital Association. “Illinois is dead broke.”


Robert Pear reported from Washington, and Michael Cooper from New York.
 


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I grew up. I Westchester / Bronx.      The taxes in Westcester are insane, same w Nassau, surf folk, etc.  guess what adds drastically to that?   medicaid. 


ThugCare is going to make this disaster even worse. 

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From a political perspective, I don't see how the conservative governors are going to be able to pass it up.  At least not for any length of time.

Repeal is a remote possibility, but I'm thinking the House may just refuse to fund the program.

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From a political perspective, I don't see how the conservative governors are going to be able to pass it up.  At least not for any length of time.

Repeal is a remote possibility, but I'm thinking the House may just refuse to fund the program.

That won't work. Michelle Bachmann pointed that out nearly a year ago, that the Dems built the funding within the law itself.

There's no simple de-funding it. It must go.

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That won't work. Michelle Bachmann pointed that out nearly a year ago, that the Dems built the funding within the law itself.

There's no simple de-funding it. It must go.



No, they can't completely defund.  But, they can probably use CR's to tie it up to the point where it's essentially defunded.

The only way to completely stop it is to win the White House, and probably break even, or get some renegades in the Senate.

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No, they can't completely defund.  But, they can probably use CR's to tie it up to the point where it's essentially defunded.

The only way to completely stop it is to win the White House, and probably break even, or get some renegades in the Senate.

Bingo.   The only possbility of reigning in this insanity is to win the WH and Senate. 

This is why I already signed up to volunteer for Myth.   Am i convinced he will do it?  no.   But I see no other option whatsoever to reverse this lunacy. 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/us/politics/some-states-reluctant-over-medicaid-expansion.html?_r=1&hp



You morons cheering on this insanity have no idea how bad this is.   The states are already broke and this Thug in the WH thinks the answer is to saddle the states w more unfunded liabilities? 

95ers Please! 








Give it a godamn rest will you????? its Sunday..go lay down and watch the Yankees

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no state taxes in TEXAS
get a better financial planner/CPA; haven't paid fed taxes in three years.
so, what's the problem? ;D
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Give it a godamn rest will you????? its Sunday..go lay down and watch the Yankees

Fuck you slave.   You idiots are cheering on your enslavement to your god king messiah.     

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Fuck you slave.   You idiots are cheering on your enslavement to your god king messiah.     

hahahahah..your mental illness is actually getting worst ;D

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WSJ Chief Economist: 75% of Obamacare Costs Will Fall on Backs of Those Making Less Than $120K a Year

By: Jim Hoft
6/30/2012 11:44 AM


 Stephen Moore, Senior Economics Writer with the Wall Street Journal, told FOX and Friends this morning that nearly 75% of Obamacare costs will fall on the backs of those Americans making less than $120,000 a year.
 
“It’s a big punch in the stomach to middle class families.”

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/30/wsj-chief-economist-75-of-obamacare-costs-will-fall-on-backs-of-those-making-less-than-120k-a-year




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Fuck you Andre as well as every communist RAT supporting this shit. 

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No, they can't completely defund.  But, they can probably use CR's to tie it up to the point where it's essentially defunded.

The only way to completely stop it is to win the White House, and probably break even, or get some renegades in the Senate.

Not quite. Since this is a tax, the GOP can repeal it the same way the Dems passed it: Reconciliation.

That only takes 51 Senate votes. And the Dems have over TWICE as many seats on the line as the GOP does.

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Not quite. Since this is a tax, the GOP can repeal it the same way the Dems passed it: Reconciliation.

The problem is that the decision set by Roberts opened a door that enslaves all of us to these progressive communists like obama pelosi reid waxman et al

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The problem is that the decision set by Roberts opened a door that enslaves all of us to these progressive communists like obama pelosi reid waxman et al


I know that. That's why I'm upset with this ruling.


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I grew up. I Westchester / Bronx.      The taxes in Westcester are insane, same w Nassau, surf folk, etc.  guess what adds drastically to that?   medicaid. 


ThugCare is going to make this disaster even worse. 

the taxes are high there because Westchester is one of the most wealthy suburbs in America..be honest at least

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the taxes are high there because Westchester is one of the most wealthy suburbs in America..be honest at least


No, the public sector locusts are paid way too high, and the county also has to pay for its medicade portion, just like everywhere else in NYS.

 

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No, the public sector locusts are paid way too high, and the county also has to pay for its medicade portion, just like everywhere else in NYS.

 

yes but they also have awesome public and private schools they pay for as well....

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yes but they also have awesome public and private schools they pay for as well....


Some yes, most no. 

Yonkers, New Ro, Mt. Vernon, Port Chester, Peekskill, Ossining, taxes are very high and shools are shit. 

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what do you expect when you live in NY state?......but services here are great as well....and we have some of the best mass transit in the country...go to other states and see what their mass transit systems look like....in NY city I can travel to almost anywhere in the city for just $2.25

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what do you expect when you live in NY state?......but services here are great as well....and we have some of the best mass transit in the country...go to other states and see what their mass transit systems look like....in NY city I can travel to almost anywhere in the city for just $2.25

I'm sure for you its easier to be carted around in the paddy wagon. 

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I'm sure for you its easier to be carted around in the paddy wagon. 

I should say the same for you.....EMS constantly has to take you to Bronx Psychiatric

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calling ppl morons is the best way to get their minds open to your point of view.

much like raping a woman at knifepoint is how you get her to fall in love with you.

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calling ppl morons is the best way to get their minds open to your point of view.

much like raping a woman at knifepoint is how you get her to fall in love with you.

This will all be moot soon as 83% of doctors are going to quit anyway and do something else.

i gotta hand it to you 240, you might just be a big contrarion but you get more abuse than anyone on here and you rarely react lol.

Here's the fucked part:

How can prices go down when the industry now has laws saying people have to purchase your services.