McConnell can't say how GOP will insure 30m after repealing ObamaCare

[Dos Equis]

They don't need an alternative to Obamacare, because most of the country doesn't want it.  They do need to address some aspects of it, like preexisting conditions, etc.  They also need to address costs, which Obamacare does not do. 

[Straw Man]

They don't need an alternative to Obamacare, because most of the country doesn't want it.  They do need to address some aspects of it, like preexisting conditions, etc.  They also need to address costs, which Obamacare does not do. 

Repubs will keep beating that drum until they finally realize no one is listening any more and then they will pretend they were all for it and even reclaim ownership of the individual mandate

[Roger Bacon]

You're free to try to get healthcare for your kids if you want. And I, as a company providing health insurance, should be free to tell you "sorry, not interested." Do you really think it's appropriate to compel me to provide health insurance for your kid?

Exactly, this entire debate is insane.

[avxo]

If you are a company who is making billions on your trade i think you should

I don't think the number of trailing zeroes in my profit should magically transform me into a slave who must provide service even when I do not want to.

[Soul Crusher]

I don't think the number of trailing zeroes in my profit should magically transform me into a slave who must provide service even when I do not want to.

LOL - he will never recover.   

[Straw Man]

You're free to try to get healthcare for your kids if you want. And I, as a company providing health insurance, should be free to tell you "sorry, not interested." Do you really think it's appropriate to compel me to provide health insurance for your kid?

yes, it's definitely appropriate since we as a country create the laws and regulations that allow you to exist and do business in our country

And we as a country are also free to regulate your industry, especially when your industry provides a basic human need.  

The first reform we should have done is to get rid of the McCarran–Ferguson Act

BTW - do you think any business be able to tell potential customer "sorry not interested"

[Soul Crusher]

And we as a country are also free to regulate your industry, especially when your industry provides a basic human need. 

The first reform we should have done is to get rid of the McCarran–Ferguson Act

BTW - do you think any business be able to tell potential customer "sorry not interested"

Yes.   

I did so today. 

BTW - funny how you totalitarian tyrants and communists always scream like bitches about abortion laws "keep your laws off of my body" yet feel no sense of hypocrisy whatsoever when you do the same thing, but even worse. 

 

[Straw Man]

Yes.  

I did so today.  

BTW - funny how you totalitarian tyrants and communists always scream like bitches about abortion laws "keep your laws off of my body" yet feel no sense of hypocrisy whatsoever when you do the same thing, but even worse.  

so let's say I have a store or own an apartment buildeng and I don't want to sell/rent to blacks, jews, christians, etc...  you believe we, as a country should have no right to regulate that business which exists within the market which we created and govern.

How about if I own a bank and don't want to lend to you soley because I don't like your political beliefs or that you're inthe military or you're greasy dago

the examples are endless

[Soul Crusher]

so let's say I have a store or own an apartment buildeng and I don't want to sell/rent to blacks, jews, christians, etc...  you believe we, as a country should have no right to regulate that business which exists within the market which we created and govern.

How about if I own a bank and don't want to lend to you soley because I don't like your political beliefs or that you're inthe military or you're greasy dago

the examples are endless

So - new banks will pop up catering to me and my business.    Happens all the time.   

[MCWAY]

if the loss in 2010 for the Dems was due to the healthcare legislation then it was in large part by dopes like you who watched Glenn Beck and then got hysterical about death panels, "takeover" of health care,  that it was unconstitutional and that Obama was going to throw you in jail if they didn't have insurance

The Repubs are assholes but they are smart enough to know that many parts of the legislation are popular with both Democrait and Republican voters (Scott Brown is using it to insure his adult daughter) and they know that if they just repealing it without having something to replace it to keep the parts they like they know they will only be hurting their own party.    We all know that for Repubs it is "party before country" and they are not stupid enough (yes, I know hard to believe) to do something that would have immediate negative effects from their own constituents and thus themselves

In other words, you're parroting the usual liberal tripe of "Oh, we just didn't get our message out!!".

Never mind that you and the rest of the goofs, who clamor for this garbage have had YEARS to make your case.

Yapping about the "many parts" of ObamaCare that are popular is about as dumb as bragging about the players on a 3-13 team who made the Pro Bowl.

Only delusional kneepadders like you continue to push how great ObamaCare is, despite the American people telling you time and time agan that they don't want it, then act surprised when your party gets demolished during the midterms.

[Straw Man]

So - new banks will pop up catering to me and my business.    Happens all the time.   

yeah, new banks pop up all the time and you'd have no problem if those make believe banks had to charge you higher rates solely because you're unable to get competitive rates at the  bank that doesn't like your politics of the color of your skin

[Straw Man]

In other words, you're parroting the usual liberal tripe of "Oh, we just didn't get our message out!!".

Never mind that you and the rest of the goofs, who clamor for this garbage have had YEARS to make your case.

Yapping about the "many parts" of ObamaCare that are popular is about as dumb as bragging about the players on a 3-13 team who made the Pro Bowl.

Only delusional kneepadders like you continue to push how great ObamaCare is, despite the American people telling you time and time agan that they don't want it, then act surprised when your party gets demolished during the midterms.

It wasn't that they didn't get their message out. It's that Repubs got out a message of lies, some of which you still believe.  Lies like Death Panels, getting thrown in jail if you don't have insurance etc..

If you don't think many parts of Obamacare are in fact quite popular then stop wasting your time talking to me and get on the phone with your congress person or Senator and tell them to stop working on how to get the popular provisions reinstated (moot point at the present moment).

Again, as more of the legisltion goes into effect you're going to see even more people who like it

And again, you can't keep beating that drum that people don't like it even as the polls continue to improve

I honestly would expect nothing less from you being the tone death and brain dead fundie that you've repeatedly shown yourself to be

[Soul Crusher]

It wasn't that they didn't get their message out. It's that Repubs got out a message of lies, some of which you still believe.  Lies like Death Panels, getting thrown in jail if you don't have insurance etc..

If you don't think many parts of Obamacare are in fact quite popular then stop wasting your time talking to me and get on the phone with your congress person or Senator and tell them to stop working on how to get the popular provisions reinstated (moot point at the present moment).

Again, as more of the legisltion goes into effect you're going to see even more people who like it

And again, you can't keep beating that drum that people don't like it even as the polls continue to improve

I honestly would expect nothing less from you being the tone death and brain dead fundie that you've repeatedly shown yourself to be

Watch and learn dipshit

[MCWAY]

It wasn't that they didn't get their message out. It's that Repubs got out a message of lies, some of which you still believe.  Lies like Death Panels, getting thrown in jail if you don't have insurance etc..

If you don't think many parts of Obamacare are in fact quite popular then stop wasting your time talking to me and get on the phone with your congress person or Senator and tell them to stop working on how to get the popular provisions reinstated (moot point at the present moment).

Again, as more of the legisltion goes into effect you're going to see even more people who like it

You and the rest of the left-winged goofs have been saying that crap for OVER THREE YEARS. Yet, the reality is ObamaCare is as loathed now as it ever was. But don't take my word for it:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

The people told you and the Dems they don't want it. You and your fellow lefties kept talking that yap and then acted shocked when you got pummeled in 2010.

Three plus years, the mainstream media, and two of three cable networks all in the tank for Obama and the left. Yet, "we couldn't get our message out".   We said ObamaCare was a massive tax hike; WHAT A SURPRISE!! IT IS!! 21 new taxes, 12 of which hit those making under 250K, with 75% of the costs hitting those making under 120K.

BTW, genius, when the then-Speaker of the House (who helped create this monstrosity) says that it's fair to JAIL people for not buying into her insurance law, I take that VERY SERIOUSLY.

And again, you can't keep beating that drum that people don't like it even as the polls continue to improve

I honestly would expect nothing less from you being the tone death and brain dead fundie that you've repeatedly shown yourself to be

The only drums that got beaten were the Dems in 2010. And with twice as many of their seats on the line as those of the GOP in the Senate, the sequel is on deck.

[avxo]

yes, it's definitely appropriate since we as a country create the laws and regulations that allow you to exist and do business in our country

There's "laws" and "regulations" and then there's "laws" and "regulations". If the "laws" and "regulations" you are thinking about force me to become a yes-man, unable to run my business and make decisions then I simply won't do business in the country.

And we as a country are also free to regulate your industry, especially when your industry provides a basic human need.

Even if that's true, I don't think that "regulate" means "you must provide service." And if you think it does, I have two questions for you:

(a) Are you OK with forcing people who have medical degrees to practice medicine?
(b) Are you OK with forcing people to study medicine if there's not enough doctors to fill demand?

If you're OK with either of those, then I would suggest you think again about what your position really means.

BTW - do you think any business be able to tell potential customer "sorry not interested"

Absolutely. No private person or company should be compelled to do business with anyone.

[Straw Man]

Watch and learn dipshit

how many times have I told you I don't watch any video you post

[avxo]

so let's say I have a store or own an apartment buildeng and I don't want to sell/rent to blacks, jews, christians, etc...  you believe we, as a country should have no right to regulate that business which exists within the market which we created and govern.

I believe that either I own the apartment building or I don't. If you want to force me to rent my building based on whatever standards you have, at least be honest about it and come and take it from me. Don't pretend I own the building if you're making decisions for me.

How about if I own a bank and don't want to lend to you soley because I don't like your political beliefs or that you're inthe military or you're greasy dago

A number of other banks will move to fill in that void. This isn't just theory. You can see examples across the economic spectrum, where a subset of the population doesn't receive services, and new business, catering specifically to them pop up.

[Soul Crusher]

how many times have I told you I don't watch any video you post

Fine - wallow in ignorance.   Your choice. 

[Straw Man]

There's "laws" and "regulations" and then there's "laws" and "regulations". If the "laws" and "regulations" you are thinking about force me to become a yes-man, unable to run my business and make decisions then I simply won't do business in the country.

that would be fine

I'm sure there are people who chose to close their businesses rather than being forced by the government to serve/sell to black people

they were easily replace and no one remmbers them any more

Even if that's true, I don't think that "regulate" means "you must provide service." And if you think it does, I have two questions for you:

(a) Are you OK with forcing people who have medical degrees to practice medicine?
(b) Are you OK with forcing people to study medicine if there's not enough doctors to fill demand?
If you're OK with either of those, then I would suggest you think again about what your position really means.

no and neither of those would or could ever happen though the government could offer incentives for people to go into the medical field

no one was ever forced to open a restaurant and serve black people

Absolutely. No private person or company should be compelled to do business with anyone.

well I got bad news for you - it happens every day in America

[avxo]

that would be fine

I'm sure there are people who chose to close their businesses rather than being forced by the government to serve/sell to black people

they were easily replace and no one remmbers them any more

Your true colors come out. You don't think people should be entitled to make their own decisions. You think people should be forced to do things at the point of a gun. There's a name for that belief.

no and neither of those would or could ever happen though the government could offer incentives for people to go into the medical field

So if nobody wants to become a doctor, you're OK with that? That's interesting, coming from the guy who argues that regulation for industries that provide a basic human need. What good would it be to force health insurance companies to provide insurance if there's no doctors?

no one was ever forced to open a restaurant and serve black people

But you'd be OK if a chef was forced to open a restaurant, because there's no other restaurant, and food is a basic human need?

well I got bad news for you - it happens every day in America

And what does that say about America?

[Straw Man]

You and the rest of the left-winged goofs have been saying that crap for OVER THREE YEARS. Yet, the reality is ObamaCare is as loathed now as it ever was. But don't take my word for it:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

The people told you and the Dems they don't want it. You and your fellow lefties kept talking that yap and then acted shocked when you got pummeled in 2010.

Three plus years, the mainstream media, and two of three cable networks all in the tank for Obama and the left. Yet, "we couldn't get our message out".   We said ObamaCare was a massive tax hike; WHAT A SURPRISE!! IT IS!! 21 new taxes, 12 of which hit those making under 250K, with 75% of the costs hitting those making under 120K.

BTW, genius, when the then-Speaker of the House (who helped create this monstrosity) says that it's fair to JAIL people for not buying into her insurance law, I take that VERY SERIOUSLY.
 

The only drums that got beaten were the Dems in 2010. And with twice as many of their seats on the line as those of the GOP in the Senate, the sequel is on deck.

it's impossible for you to be jailed under this law

I've shown you those facts yet you choose to believe a comment made by Pelosi in 2009 that does not exists in the law that was passed in 2010.   It's bizarro that you can be show ironclad proof that your belief is wrong and yet you still cling to it

I'm actually happy that you're still pissing yourself over fear that Obama might throw you in jail.
It makes me laugh

As for it's popularity we can play dueling polls but it's pointless

As I've said, as more and more people start actually receving the benefits and morons such as yourself finally figure out that there really aren't any death panels and Obama isn't going to throw you in jail the popularity will increase

In the meantime I hope that Repubs decided to spend lot's of dollars on the same failed strategy

[Straw Man]

I believe that either I own the apartment building or I don't. If you want to force me to rent my building based on whatever standards you have, at least be honest about it and come and take it from me. Don't pretend I own the building if you're making decisions for me.

I assume you're aware that laws do exist that prevent you from discriminating in the business of renting units in your building

A number of other banks will move to fill in that void. This isn't just theory. You can see examples across the economic spectrum, where a subset of the population doesn't receive services, and new business, catering specifically to them pop up.

and you're aware that the bank that magically "pops up" to fill that void would be subject to the exact sames laws that were violated by the first bank.    And I'm sure you would have no problem if this hypothetical 2nd bank charged you a much higher rate of interest than the market rate simply becuase you can't get access to the market rates at the  first bank who denies you not for credit worthiness but simply because of the color of your skin, religious beliefs, political beliefs, etc..

[Straw Man]

Your true colors come out. You don't think people should be entitled to make their own decisions. You think people should be forced to do things at the point of a gun. There's a name for that belief.


So if nobody wants to become a doctor, you're OK with that? That's interesting, coming from the guy who argues that regulation for industries that provide a basic human need. What good would it be to force health insurance companies to provide insurance if there's no doctors?


But you'd be OK if a chef was forced to open a restaurant, because there's no other restaurant, and food is a basic human need?


And what does that say about America?

no one in this country was ever forced to open a business

where are you getting these ideas

are you aware there are an array of laws on the books that regulate how businesses MUST interact with potential customers.   You act like you're unaware of the ECOA or the slew of laws and executive orders on access to housing

here's a short list

Fair Housing Act
Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Fair Housing Act), as amended, prohibits discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of dwellings, and in other housing-related transactions, based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status (including children under the age of 18 living with parents of legal custodians, pregnant women, and people securing custody of children under the age of 18), and handicap (disability).


Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
Title VI prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance.

Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973
Section 504 prohibits discrimination based on disability in any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.

Section 109 of Title I of the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974
Section 109 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex or religion in programs and activities receiving financial assistance from HUD's Community Development and Block Grant Program.

Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
Title II prohibits discrimination based on disability in programs, services, and activities provided or made available by public entities. HUD enforces Title II when it relates to state and local public housing, housing assistance and housing referrals.

Architectural Barriers Act of 1968
The Architectural Barriers Act requires that buildings and facilities designed, constructed, altered, or leased with certain federal funds after September 1969 must be accessible to and useable by handicapped persons.

Age Discrimination Act of 1975
The Age Discrimination Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of age in programs or activities receiving federal financial assistance.

Title IX of the Education Amendments Act of 1972
Title IX prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in education programs or activities that receive federal financial assistance.


Presidential Executive Orders Related to Fair Housing:
Executive Order 11063
Executive Order 11063 prohibits discrimination in the sale, leasing, rental, or other disposition of properties and facilities owned or operated by the federal government or provided with federal funds.

Executive Order 11246
Executive Order 11246, as amended, bars discrimination in federal employment because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

Executive Order 12892
Executive Order 12892, as amended, requires federal agencies to affirmatively further fair housing in their programs and activities, and provides that the Secretary of HUD will be responsible for coordinating the effort. The Order also establishes the President's Fair Housing Council, which will be chaired by the Secretary of HUD.

Executive Order 12898
Executive Order 12898 requires that each federal agency conduct its program, policies, and activities that substantially affect human health or the environment in a manner that does not exclude persons based on race, color, or national origin.

Executive Order 13166
Executive Order 13166 eliminates, to the extent possible, limited English proficiency as a barrier to full and meaningful participation by beneficiaries in all federally-assisted and federally conducted programs and activities.

Executive Order 13217
Executive Order 13217 requires federal agencies to evaluate their policies and programs to determine if any can be revised or modified to improve the availability of community-based living arrangements for persons with disabilities.

[MCWAY]

it's impossible for you to be jailed under this law

I've shown you those facts yet you choose to believe a comment made by Pelosi in 2009 that does not exists in the law that was passed in 2010.   It's bizarro that you can be show ironclad proof that your belief is wrong and yet you still cling to it

I'm actually happy that you're still pissing yourself over fear that Obama might throw you in jail.
It makes me laugh

As for it's popularity we can play dueling polls but it's pointless

As I've said, as more and more people start actually receving the benefits and morons such as yourself finally figure out that there really aren't any death panels and Obama isn't going to throw you in jail the popularity will increase

In the meantime I hope that Repubs decided to spend lot's of dollars on the same failed strategy

You can't play "dueling polls" with me, because the one "poll" that squashes your tripe DEAD in its tracks is the 2010 midterms.

THREE YEARS, genius. ObamaCare still sucks and people want it gone.

But, listening to your twisted logic, "I know you've hated it for over three years. But, but, but give it time. You'll like it!!".


Not to mention, all the BS about Obama not taxing the middle class went up and smoke. But, of course, you're too busy kneepadding to deal with that little detail.

[Skip8282]

Its your own responsibility to get your own health insurance, not a political party.  Depending on the govt for healthcare  . Depend on yourselves.  Repubs dont need a viable alt.  No alternative is better. Pay for it yourself or die of whatever you have.  Those 30 million should either figure out how to get better coverage or make their peace with this world and die.  Do for yourselves. 

I would think that may be true if it were an equal playing field.  But insurance companies are heavily regulated, dictated where they may and may not offer services, more and more physicians consolidating, med schools holding graduation rates low to keep demand high.

There's no true competition and medical inflation keeps outpacing everything else.

To say the Repubs shouldn't have an alternative is to say there's nothing wrong with the system.  And I think there's clearly plenty wrong that Republicans can fix with a viable alternative.