If you're under 40 this thread is probably irrelevant and won't resonate with you, but for anyone who had competed, juiced or just trained with suicidal intensity in the past. If you had ok potential, a lot of strength and drive even while off, but could possibly blow up and do some interesting things if you "upped the dose" or started slamming down a gram or two a day of various goodies. Would you? Not interested in the it will shorten your life/ yeah it could but you lose the worst years. At 52, every year pretty much sucks worse than the one before. 2000 was the peak. Looking at having some fun before the whole shitty thing goes South. Some will get this, some won't, I fully realize.